OLD El-Cheapos That Surprise?

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OLD El-Cheapos That Surprise?

#1 Post by Barry Sunderland » January 9th, 2019, 7:20 pm

Have you ever found an OLD ’el cheapo’ wine, perhaps an orphan in your cellar; maybe you received as a white elephant gift or it was a left-over from a non-wine geek party...that totally surprises you with vitality, years later?

Mine?
An 11 year-old cheapie.
2007 Pets Clarksburg Petite Sirah-$5.99 @ TJ’s in 2008.
Screwtop.
Last year, I found 5 of these in the back of my cellar. 2 have been shit. The other 3 have had surprisingly fresh dark fruit, quite good acid and tannin, and a satisfying finish. I’m drinking the last bottle now.
I think that the screwtop helped in its longevity.
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#2 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 9th, 2019, 7:35 pm

1996 Goisot Bourgogne Aligote was $8.99 when I bought it on release. Aging it was an intentional experiment. Deliciously spiced, textured, and vibrant but hints of oxidation (which were still at the stage of adding complexity) in 2016.

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#3 Post by Barry Sunderland » January 9th, 2019, 7:51 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:35 pm
1996 Goisot Bourgogne Aligote was $8.99 when I bought it on release. Aging it was an intentional experiment. Deliciously spiced, textured, and vibrant but hints of oxidation (which were still at the stage of adding complexity) in 2016.
Enjoyable at 20 years for an $8.99 entry fee.
Awesome.

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#4 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » January 9th, 2019, 9:10 pm

83 Trimbach Pinot Gris-in 2006 it was delicious. Dry, crisp, and so much detail in the palate.

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#5 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 10th, 2019, 3:51 am

The 2001 Leitz Rudesheimer Klosterlay Riesling QbA was $8.99/bottle on release. It's still a rock star.
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#6 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 10th, 2019, 4:07 am

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#7 Post by Bdklein » January 10th, 2019, 6:06 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:35 pm
1996 Goisot Bourgogne Aligote was $8.99 when I bought it on release. Aging it was an intentional experiment. Deliciously spiced, textured, and vibrant but hints of oxidation (which were still at the stage of adding complexity) in 2016.
I know nothing about this wine but when did you purchase it? If 15-20 years ago, $8.99 is not a cheap wine IMO.
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#8 Post by Victor Hoffmann » January 10th, 2019, 6:44 am

Domaine de Fontarney Margaux 1974 tasted October 2018.
Bought back in the 80s (for around $10 in today’s money) by my father and stored in a natural cellar since.

Crystal clear, light ruby color with slight orange edge.
Lovely precise notes of meat, tea leaves and wet forest floor.

Served it blind with no expectations for 8 very skilled tasters - all guessed Chateau Margaux or Palmer in the 70-
80s.

A magnificent surprise!
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#9 Post by G. Bienstock » January 10th, 2019, 6:45 am

Barry Sunderland wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:20 pm
Have you ever found an OLD ’el cheapo’ wine, perhaps an orphan in your cellar; maybe you received as a white elephant gift or it was a left-over from a non-wine geek party...that totally surprises you with vitality, years later?

Mine?
An 11 year-old cheapie.
2007 Pets Clarksburg Petite Sirah-$5.99 @ TJ’s in 2008.
Screwtop.
Last year, I found 5 of these in the back of my cellar. 2 have been shit. The other 3 have had surprisingly fresh dark fruit, quite good acid and tannin, and a satisfying finish. I’m drinking the last bottle now.
I think that the screwtop helped in its longevity.
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#10 Post by Mike Evans » January 10th, 2019, 7:47 am

Bdklein wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 6:06 am
Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:35 pm
1996 Goisot Bourgogne Aligote was $8.99 when I bought it on release. Aging it was an intentional experiment. Deliciously spiced, textured, and vibrant but hints of oxidation (which were still at the stage of adding complexity) in 2016.
I know nothing about this wine but when did you purchase it? If 15-20 years ago, $8.99 is not a cheap wine IMO.
I suppose it becomes a question of definitions. I thought of 1996 Domaine d'Andézon Côtes du Rhône as a cheap wine and it was $9.99, as was 1997 Pepiere Clos des Briords. Good premier cru white Burgundies from the 1996 vintage were generally in the $30 to $60 range. Unfortunately I didn't buy any of the 1996 Goisot Aligote, though I loved the St.-Bris.

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#11 Post by Jim F » January 10th, 2019, 7:51 am

Not all THAT old, but last night a 2013 Sebastiani Sonoma cabernet was showing very nicely. Unmatched since then.
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#12 Post by RyanC » January 10th, 2019, 8:04 am

Premier Cru used to sell some old, cheap one-off bottles that I'd take flyers on. I remember an $8.99 1993 Giacosa Barbera that was stunning. I also recall a $4.99 1996 Chassagne Montrachet from a random producer that was shockingly fresh and delicious.
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#13 Post by CJ Beazley » January 10th, 2019, 8:34 am

Victor Hoffmann wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 6:44 am
Domaine de Fontarney Margaux 1974 tasted October 2018.
Bought back in the 80’ies (for around $10 in today’s money) by my father and stored in a natural cellar since.

Crystal clear, light ruby color with slight orange edge.
Lovely precise notes of meat, tea leaves and wet forest floor.

Served it blind with no expectations for 8 very skilled tasters - all guessed Chateau Margaux or Palmer in the 70-
80’ies.

A magnificent surprise!
Early contender for best first post of the year.

In 2015 I found an ‘06 Chamisal Chardonnay around ($25 I would imagine) that got lost in some double deep racking, I was sure it would be doa. It was great, dead ringer for aged white burgundy.
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#14 Post by brian i » January 10th, 2019, 9:53 am

I just gulped down a 2013 Crumbled Rock Juliard Vineyard (OR Pinot, Dundee Hills) that I paid $15 for that was quite good. Glad i have 5 more bottles.

I think it's Furioso vineyard now as the original owners retired.
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#15 Post by Barry Sunderland » January 10th, 2019, 2:27 pm

G. Bienstock wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 6:45 am
Barry Sunderland wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:20 pm
Have you ever found an OLD ’el cheapo’ wine, perhaps an orphan in your cellar; maybe you received as a white elephant gift or it was a left-over from a non-wine geek party...that totally surprises you with vitality, years later?

Mine?
An 11 year-old cheapie.
2007 Pets Clarksburg Petite Sirah-$5.99 @ TJ’s in 2008.
Screwtop.
Last year, I found 5 of these in the back of my cellar. 2 have been shit. The other 3 have had surprisingly fresh dark fruit, quite good acid and tannin, and a satisfying finish. I’m drinking the last bottle now.
I think that the screwtop helped in its longevity.
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#16 Post by J. Ashourian » January 10th, 2019, 2:37 pm

Although it has been discussed before, some old Riojas can age gracefully even though they are grocery store level wines. One that comes to mind is Campo Viejo. Can easily be found for less than $10. I bought a large parcel of original cases of 1973 a year ago and they are astonishingly good even if the label raises some eyebrows.
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#17 Post by J a y H a c k » January 10th, 2019, 2:40 pm

I had another bottle of this a few years later and it was even better. I think I have one left somewhere.
  • 2002 Bodegas Borsao Campo de Borja Borsao - Spain, Aragón, Campo de Borja (2/19/2008)
    Hey! This stuff really ages. I was making beef stew tonight so this morning, after getting the other ingredients together in a pot, I pulled a bottle of 2002 Borsao and set it on the counter. As 5:00, I called my son, told him to uncork the wine, pour it into the pot, and put it in the oven. I asked him to leave a few ounces in the bottles for later. At 7:30, I uncorked the left over bottle on the counter and unceremoniously took a swig from the bottle, expecting to quench my curiosity more than my thirst. Intense and complex cherry and raspberry flavors with some pepper and spice. I poured the rest into a glass so I could write a proper note. Moderate red color but not opaque, a little like a dark ruby. Cherry on the nose. still the same palate. Tannins softened and sweet. No oak or vanilla. This is a bona fide very good to excellent wine, 88 pts without the QPR factor. I bought a case of this 4 years ago at Zachy's on sale for $4.59 per bottle. Best bargain since the $6 Le Montrachet I got in 1978. (88 pts.)
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#18 Post by jon leifer » January 10th, 2019, 7:30 pm

2 Columbia Crest Grand Estate reds, one Cab and one Merlot, got lost in the cellar, opened roughly 10 yr post vintage and both were drinking way above their price range (single digits)
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#19 Post by John Morris » January 10th, 2019, 8:36 pm

Bdklein wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 6:06 am
Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:35 pm
1996 Goisot Bourgogne Aligote was $8.99 when I bought it on release. Aging it was an intentional experiment. Deliciously spiced, textured, and vibrant but hints of oxidation (which were still at the stage of adding complexity) in 2016.
I know nothing about this wine but when did you purchase it? If 15-20 years ago, $8.99 is not a cheap wine IMO.
I don't know how long you've been following wine, but $8.99 was very cheap for a '99 Bourgogne. I just checked my inventory, and '01 and '02 Barthod and Lafarge Bourgognes were going for $18-$20 on release. The $8.99 is about what Guigal Cotes du Rhone (millions of bottles produced) was selling for in the '99/'01 time frame.
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#20 Post by John Morris » January 10th, 2019, 8:39 pm

Barry Sunderland wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:20 pm
Have you ever found an OLD ’el cheapo’ wine, perhaps an orphan in your cellar; maybe you received as a white elephant gift or it was a left-over from a non-wine geek party...that totally surprises you with vitality, years later?
2009 Cantalupo "Agamium" Colline Novaresi (nebbiolo) is still fine, with some real complexity. That went for around $13 at PJ's here in NY and was still on the shelves 12 or 18 months ago.
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#21 Post by Arv R » January 10th, 2019, 9:14 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:40 pm
I had another bottle of this a few years later and it was even better. I think I have one left somewhere.
  • 2002 Bodegas Borsao Campo de Borja Borsao - Spain, Aragón, Campo de Borja (2/19/2008)
    Hey! This stuff really ages. I was making beef stew tonight so this morning, after getting the other ingredients together in a pot, I pulled a bottle of 2002 Borsao and set it on the counter. As 5:00, I called my son, told him to uncork the wine, pour it into the pot, and put it in the oven. I asked him to leave a few ounces in the bottles for later. At 7:30, I uncorked the left over bottle on the counter and unceremoniously took a swig from the bottle, expecting to quench my curiosity more than my thirst. Intense and complex cherry and raspberry flavors with some pepper and spice. I poured the rest into a glass so I could write a proper note. Moderate red color but not opaque, a little like a dark ruby. Cherry on the nose. still the same palate. Tannins softened and sweet. No oak or vanilla. This is a bona fide very good to excellent wine, 88 pts without the QPR factor. I bought a case of this 4 years ago at Zachy's on sale for $4.59 per bottle. Best bargain since the $6 Le Montrachet I got in 1978. (88 pts.)
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I remember being really surprised by some of these too - although can't remember the vintage as it must have been more than a decade or so ago. Bought them as summer Sangria bases and ended up enjoying a few all by themselves. I don't see this bottling out by me much now, although their Tres Picos ($10 more!) is carried by our Costco and local supermarkets.
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#22 Post by Arv R » January 10th, 2019, 9:17 pm

RyanC wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 8:04 am
Premier Cru used to sell some old, cheap one-off bottles that I'd take flyers on. I remember an $8.99 1993 Giacosa Barbera that was stunning. I also recall a $4.99 1996 Chassagne Montrachet from a random producer that was shockingly fresh and delicious.
It was definitely hit or miss though. I remember getting some 1982 Patache d'Aux for $9 that were pretty good, but also getting smoked by some cheap 1990 Vacqueryas too.
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#23 Post by RyanC » January 10th, 2019, 9:20 pm

Arv R wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 9:17 pm
RyanC wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 8:04 am
Premier Cru used to sell some old, cheap one-off bottles that I'd take flyers on. I remember an $8.99 1993 Giacosa Barbera that was stunning. I also recall a $4.99 1996 Chassagne Montrachet from a random producer that was shockingly fresh and delicious.
It was definitely hit or miss though. I remember getting some 1982 Patache d'Aux for $9 that were pretty good, but also getting smoked by some cheap 1990 Vacqueryas too.
No doubt. I also got some vile stuff that I bought randomly from the RSS feed.
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#24 Post by Drew Goin » January 10th, 2019, 11:24 pm

Marcus Goodfellow wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:10 pm
83 Trimbach Pinot Gris-in 2006 it was delicious. Dry, crisp, and so much detail in the palate.

Good one!!

I recall having tasted numerous bottles of Trimbach Gewürtztraminer, Riesling, Muscat that all aged beautifully. None of mine were over 15 years, however.


I enjoyed a 2002 Riverlands (AUS) Craggs Creek Shiraz-Mourvédre on numerous occasions, up to about 10-years-old. It was obviously not designed for age, but the Stelvin closure helped it immensely.


One wine that was surprisingly pleasing was the 1997 (or was it '98?) Sebastiani "Domenici Vineyard Old Vines" Sonoma Valley Mourvèdre. It was drunk in about 2007-08. The site is now known as... "Bedrock Vineyard"

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