Seriously, a bourgogne rouge for $120.

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Seriously, a bourgogne rouge for $120.

#1 Post by Sebastian C. » January 8th, 2019, 7:03 pm

Lets complain about burgundy prices shall we?. Sylvain Cathiard 2015 Bourgogne rouge for 120 dollars. Are you f*** kidding me? Gonna have to start drinking some roussillon wines pretty soon.
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#2 Post by patrick c albright » January 8th, 2019, 7:41 pm

I would buy every bottle of Bizot Bourgogne Rouge for $125-- that I could find.
And that might be a handful if I am lucky.
Sometimes wines way outperform their "classification".
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#3 Post by m. ristev » January 8th, 2019, 7:48 pm

chapitre is hardly ordinary bourgogne rouge tho. i believe winehog has written about this terroir before.
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#4 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 8th, 2019, 7:59 pm

Coche is 200...

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#5 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 8th, 2019, 8:00 pm

Those cathiard prices from wine cellarage were rough though.

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#6 Post by Robert Sand » January 9th, 2019, 1:19 am

When people have too much money - or not enough idea of value - ok, so be it.
The last I bough was for 25 incl.

I do not think the wines at Cathiard have improved since Sebastian took over from Silvain, just the opposite.
For 120 you´ll get a lot of 1er Crus and fine Village wines that may be much more rewarding after some bottle age.

But if one definitely wants to read Cathiard on the label (with or without Bourgogne) - ok, pay 120 for it.

If retailers offer it for 120 and people buy them, its the fault of the buyers, in my opinion, not of the retailers, right?

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#7 Post by PCLIN » January 9th, 2019, 2:21 am

I love Cathiard’s wines but I wouldn’t pay that kind of price for a Bourgogne.
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#8 Post by Robert Sand » January 9th, 2019, 4:06 am

PCLIN wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 2:21 am
I love Cathiard’s wines but I wouldn’t pay that kind of price for a Bourgogne.
Also it´s a fraction of that price at the producer!

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#9 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 9th, 2019, 4:08 am

Since the 2016 vintage of top Burgundy is already sold through, I would guess that this is inflated from when it was originally released.

What did the 2015 cost when it came out 18 months ago or more?
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#10 Post by Marc Frontario » January 9th, 2019, 4:21 am

Sheeesh...U can find grand cru's at that price
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#11 Post by PCLIN » January 9th, 2019, 4:22 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:08 am
Since the 2016 vintage of top Burgundy is already sold through, I would guess that this is inflated from when it was originally released.

What did the 2015 cost when it came out 18 months ago or more?
No more than £240 per case IB but I have never bothered to buy this wine.

FWIW, ‘17 is being offered at £260 per case.
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#12 Post by Mark Golodetz » January 9th, 2019, 4:36 am

Marc Frontario wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:21 am
Sheeesh...U can find grand cru's at that price
And excellent ones too. I was just offered and bought Rossignol Trapet’s lovely Chapelle Chambertin 2015 (I am on a R-T mini spree, having just bought a case of Chambertin) for a lot less than this Bourgogne.
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#13 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 9th, 2019, 4:57 am

PCLIN wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:22 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:08 am
Since the 2016 vintage of top Burgundy is already sold through, I would guess that this is inflated from when it was originally released.

What did the 2015 cost when it came out 18 months ago or more?
No more than £240 per case IB but I have never bothered to buy this wine.

FWIW, ‘17 is being offered at £260 per case.
Exactly.

So this really has nothing to do with Cathiard Bourgogne, and everything to do with a merchant who is charging a wildly inflated price.
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#14 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 9th, 2019, 5:01 am

I think Cathiard is pretty expensive no matter who is offering it, at least in the US. That winecellarage offer was especially expensive though. There were premier crus on it over $1000/btl.

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#15 Post by PCLIN » January 9th, 2019, 5:32 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:57 am
PCLIN wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:22 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:08 am
Since the 2016 vintage of top Burgundy is already sold through, I would guess that this is inflated from when it was originally released.

What did the 2015 cost when it came out 18 months ago or more?
No more than £240 per case IB but I have never bothered to buy this wine.

FWIW, ‘17 is being offered at £260 per case.
Exactly.

So this really has nothing to do with Cathiard Bourgogne, and everything to do with a merchant who is charging a wildly inflated price.

What I quoted were EP pricing, secondary markets are usually higher.

So many buyers and so little available, I am pretty much squeezed out of L’orme (CM village) which could be fantastic in some vintages.
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#16 Post by m. ristev » January 9th, 2019, 5:56 am

i just found an email from the summer of 2016 where wine cellarage offered the 12 cathiard bourgogne rouge for $38 per bottle. ever since they launched their future arrival program, inventory and pricing has gone by the wayside.
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#17 Post by Thomas De Waen » March 12th, 2019, 9:42 am

patrick c albright wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I would buy every bottle of Bizot Bourgogne Rouge for $125-- that I could find.
And that might be a handful if I am lucky.
Sometimes wines way outperform their "classification".
Am amazed that people don't talk more about Bizot. Since the 2015 vintage he's become, as far as I am concerned, the best red winemaker in Burgundy. His Chapitre 2015 drunk recently floored all of us (and we frequently drink Comte LB, Rousseau, Leroy, etc). His 2016s are on another planet. I stupidly stopped buying when he doubled prices for the 2015 vintage but that was a real mistake - now buying everything I can find.

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#18 Post by Howard Cooper » March 12th, 2019, 10:15 am

Sebastian C. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:03 pm
Lets complain about burgundy prices shall we?. Sylvain Cathiard 2015 Bourgogne rouge for 120 dollars. Are you f*** kidding me? Gonna have to start drinking some roussillon wines pretty soon.
Does this mean that all Bourgogne Rouge now is $120?
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#19 Post by Howard Cooper » March 12th, 2019, 10:17 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:36 am
Marc Frontario wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 4:21 am
Sheeesh...U can find grand cru's at that price
And excellent ones too. I was just offered and bought Rossignol Trapet’s lovely Chapelle Chambertin 2015 (I am on a R-T mini spree, having just bought a case of Chambertin) for a lot less than this Bourgogne.
Good call. RT is a very underrated producer whose wines are relatively reasonably priced.
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#20 Post by Robert M yers » March 12th, 2019, 11:45 am

The retailer doesn’t know yet that the “Transcendent” guy is now out.

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#21 Post by Brian Glas » March 12th, 2019, 8:02 pm

Almost as bad as the $50 rose.

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#22 Post by billnanson » March 13th, 2019, 3:52 am

Sebastian C. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:03 pm
Lets complain about burgundy prices shall we?. Sylvain Cathiard 2015 Bourgogne rouge for 120 dollars. Are you f*** kidding me? Gonna have to start drinking some roussillon wines pretty soon.
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#23 Post by Peter Chiu » March 13th, 2019, 5:06 am

billnanson wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 3:52 am
Sebastian C. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:03 pm
Lets complain about burgundy prices shall we?. Sylvain Cathiard 2015 Bourgogne rouge for 120 dollars. Are you f*** kidding me? Gonna have to start drinking some roussillon wines pretty soon.
Just say no. If everyone did, they would soon get the message...
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#24 Post by J a y H a c k » March 13th, 2019, 7:37 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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Coche is 200...
That's ridiculous. I got a Coche Bourgogne Rouge from Crush a couple years ago, not more than three, for less than $50. It was . . . by the way . . . really good.
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#25 Post by Mike Grammer » March 13th, 2019, 12:23 pm

And my recent 2012 Coche (which was terrific, IMHO, though Fu-master will disagree, I believe) cost me $100 in Detroit. But prices on most of Cathiard's wines are skyrocketing. How much are Bachelet's going for these days?


A little tanjink, but in the Bourgogne Blanc category, stumbled into a monopole from Meo, the 2014 Clos St. Philibert for USD$45 that was just sensational. I scrounged up virtually every bottle left over in the system and have 7 of 'em now. It is the best "score" I've made in Burgundy wines in a great number of years.

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#26 Post by Dan Kravitz » March 13th, 2019, 6:06 pm

Sebastian C. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:03 pm
Lets complain about burgundy prices shall we?. Sylvain Cathiard 2015 Bourgogne rouge for 120 dollars. Are you f*** kidding me? Gonna have to start drinking some roussillon wines pretty soon.
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#27 Post by alan weinberg » March 13th, 2019, 9:20 pm

this is emblematic of the Burgundy bubble. 1990 Rousseau Chambertin cost $1200/case and now single bottles are $3,000 or more. Way more than inflation. Sort of like college price increases! Seller’s market in Burgundy.

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#28 Post by Peter Chiu » March 14th, 2019, 4:59 am

Alan.....I let other people drink all my Rousseau Chambertins...as I much ......prefer Damoy's - which are wines for contemplation as Bill N said !!.

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#29 Post by Sebastian C. » March 14th, 2019, 5:57 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 12th, 2019, 10:15 am
Sebastian C. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:03 pm
Lets complain about burgundy prices shall we?. Sylvain Cathiard 2015 Bourgogne rouge for 120 dollars. Are you f*** kidding me? Gonna have to start drinking some roussillon wines pretty soon.
Does this mean that all Bourgogne Rouge now is $120?
For now, no. I passed on this obviously, and bought some Meo Camuzet Bourgogne 2016 for $40. Really trying to find one that I like. I just find most Bourgogne pretty bad values.
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