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TN: 2016 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape

#1 Post by Kirk.Grant » January 7th, 2019, 6:12 pm

  • 2016 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape (1/7/2019)
    This is really fruit-forward...more so than the 2015 I had a few months ago. I think it's possible I'd even guess this wrong if I tasted it blind. Scents of violets, earth, manure, along with ripe notes of plum, with a hint of fig. The palate is awash in ripe red & blue fruits, tobacco, leather, and clove. Excellent...but I'm going to wait on the remaining bottle I have in the hopes that it calms down with time sideways.
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#2 Post by Drew Goin » January 7th, 2019, 6:29 pm

Thanks for the tasting note Kirk!!


Wow!! I have never tasted a Beacastel so young. This sounds ridiculous!

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#3 Post by Joe Chanley » January 7th, 2019, 6:56 pm

Had the 16 coudelet the other night and it was really enjoyable fwiw

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#4 Post by John Glas » January 7th, 2019, 7:39 pm

Thanks for the tasting note Kirk!!


Wow!! I have never tasted a Beacastel so young. This sounds ridiculous!
If you had several I would not say it is ridiculous. If I wanted to see if this works for me and used it as a data point for more purchases I would not say ridiculous. If I was only ever thinking of buying one bottle of this than yes it is ridiculous.

I like trying CDPs young especially over the course of several days to predict long term evolution.

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#5 Post by Jeff Leve » January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm

Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.

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#6 Post by ky1em!ttskus » January 7th, 2019, 8:55 pm

Really appreciate the early look, Kirk.

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#7 Post by T. Altmayer » January 7th, 2019, 9:14 pm

I had the Donjon the other night to see if I wanted to order more. It was definitely on the ripe side for my tastes and I'm hoping it will mellow over the next decade. Not buying more than the 5 I have left.
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#8 Post by Steve Brickley » January 7th, 2019, 10:12 pm

Don’t forget the Roussanne VV. I haven’t tried the 2016, but buy it each year.
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#9 Post by David Glasser » January 8th, 2019, 6:07 am

Steve, have you ever encountered premox with the VV? I had 2 out of 6 bottles of the 1995 badly oxidize by 8 years. Not the odd, pseudo-oxidative dead zone the VV sometimes goes into and recovers from, but dark brown and dead as a doornail. No ullage, no signs of leakage, stored in my cellar since release. I haven’t heard widespread reports of this but I started drinking them young, which misses a good part the enjoyment. Wonder if I’ve become too cautious.

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#10 Post by Kirk.Grant » January 8th, 2019, 7:31 am

Jeff Leve wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.
Jeff, what about this vintage leaves you with that impression? I've only had a handful of young Beaucastel (01, 04, 05, 09, 10, 12, 15, & 16). Of them all, the 01 & the 15 tasted the most similar in their youth to me. This 2016 seemed a lot more intensely fruited and on the level of almost being over-ripe to my tastes. I will certainly allow my remaining bottle to rest a VERY, VERY long time.
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#11 Post by Jim F » January 8th, 2019, 7:34 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:31 am
Jeff Leve wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.
Jeff, what about this vintage leaves you with that impression? I've only had a handful of young Beaucastel (01, 04, 05, 09, 10, 12, 15, & 16). Of them all, the 01 & the 15 tasted the most similar in their youth to me. This 2016 seemed a lot more intensely fruited and on the level of almost being over-ripe to my tastes. I will certainly allow my remaining bottle to rest a VERY, VERY long time.
And, vs the fabled 1989?
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#12 Post by Jeff Leve » January 8th, 2019, 8:22 am

Jim F wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:34 am
Kirk.Grant wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:31 am
Jeff Leve wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.
Jeff, what about this vintage leaves you with that impression? I've only had a handful of young Beaucastel (01, 04, 05, 09, 10, 12, 15, & 16). Of them all, the 01 & the 15 tasted the most similar in their youth to me. This 2016 seemed a lot more intensely fruited and on the level of almost being over-ripe to my tastes. I will certainly allow my remaining bottle to rest a VERY, VERY long time.
And, vs the fabled 1989?
The best vintage is, of course, better than the 89 :) You can read my notes here - https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/rh ... hone-wine/

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#13 Post by larry schaffer » January 8th, 2019, 8:30 am

Jeff Leve wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.
What is it that makes you believe this? Strong statement and the wine is still so young.

Thanks.
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#14 Post by Jeff Leve » January 8th, 2019, 8:36 am

larry schaffer wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 8:30 am
Jeff Leve wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.
What is it that makes you believe this? Strong statement and the wine is still so young.

Thanks.
Larry,

First, I am going to go out on a limb a bit further and say the 2016 Hommage Perrin is also the best vintage yet for that wine as well!

If I cannot make those choices, I should not be posting those comments, my notes/scores or maintain a website. I have tasted more than enough young wine (and in the case of Beaucastel, more than ample different vintages) to have a very good idea on how the wines I taste often will develop.

Are you saying that when you get a good score from a reviewer, you ask them how they can make such a positive judgment when your wine is still young?

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#15 Post by David Glasser » January 8th, 2019, 9:00 am

Jeff, I didn’t read that as a challenge to your ability, but as a request for more detail. Jeff's TN can be found at the link he posted above. It’s very positive.

Of course every baby wine has a long way to go before reaching the mature complexity required to establish its bona rides as "best ever," and some just don’t turn out as predicted. I liked Beaucastel better when it was a bit dirtier/bretty. I may be in the minority but its cleaner profile isn’t a positive in my book. It’s still one of my favorite CduPs.

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#16 Post by Scott G r u n e r » January 8th, 2019, 9:01 am

Just had the 2016 Coudelet and it seems definitely on the ripe side, but good- and a great value at $20. I hope Jeff is right regarding the 2016 as this year has the lowest pricing I have seen in a long while.
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#17 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 8th, 2019, 9:03 am

Why isn't it a fair question, Jeff?

To say best ever right on release, would help to know what other top Beaucastel vintages you have tried at the same point in their evolution.

Doesn't mean you cannot have an opinion, it just goes to how some of us may weigh that opinion.

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#18 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 8th, 2019, 9:03 am

Scott G r u n e r wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:01 am
Just had the 2016 Coudelet and it seems definitely on the ripe side, but good- and a great value at $20. I hope Jeff is right regarding the 2016 as this year has the lowest pricing I have seen in a long while.
I really liked the 2015, reloaded on another case after going through a few. Wondered about the 2016. Generally an excellent QPr.

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#19 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 8th, 2019, 9:06 am

I’ve drank about 6 bottles of the 15 which I love, haven’t opened a 16 yet; sorta surprising that it’d be more fruit forward than the 15 per vintage notes.

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#20 Post by YLee » January 8th, 2019, 9:16 am

For the people that tried both '16 Beaucastel & Vieux Donjon, which did you prefer and why?
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#21 Post by Jeff Leve » January 8th, 2019, 9:24 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:03 am
Why isn't it a fair question, Jeff?

To say best ever right on release, would help to know what other top Beaucastel vintages you have tried at the same point in their evolution.

Doesn't mean you cannot have an opinion, it just goes to how some of us may weigh that opinion.
Robert... I did not say it wasn't a fair question. It is. I answered it providing a link to my site with tasting notes on 55 different wines from Beaucastel. The notes say more than I can in a single post on different Beaucastel wines. There is also a detailed article on 2016 Chateauneuf du Pape with about 250 notes from various producers.

But it is not just Beaucastel, there are probably 2,000 tasting notes for other Chateauneuf du Pape wines on my site as well. And if that is not enough, there are almost 18,000 notes on my site in total. Honest, those notes are a better view of how I think about wines than a few lines in a post. That's why I posted the link.

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#22 Post by Doug Schulman » January 8th, 2019, 9:28 am

Thanks for the note! I'll try to wait a long time before opening either of mine.
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#23 Post by Kirk.Grant » January 8th, 2019, 6:53 pm

Doug Schulman wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:28 am
Thanks for the note! I'll try to wait a long time before opening either of mine.
Please do...this wine is even more "new world" tonight than it was last night. Alcohol is all over the place, there's a burning in my nose, and the fruit feels a little like it's more in the fig & raisin category then wine. I wonder if I caught this at a bad phase in it's life or if it's just really a vintage I'm not going to like...
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#24 Post by Steve Brickley » January 8th, 2019, 8:18 pm

David Glasser wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 6:07 am
Steve, have you ever encountered premox with the VV? I had 2 out of 6 bottles of the 1995 badly oxidize by 8 years. Not the odd, pseudo-oxidative dead zone the VV sometimes goes into and recovers from, but dark brown and dead as a doornail. No ullage, no signs of leakage, stored in my cellar since release. I haven’t heard widespread reports of this but I started drinking them young, which misses a good part the enjoyment. Wonder if I’ve become too cautious.
David, no premox yet but my earliest is much younger than your 1995.
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#25 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 9th, 2019, 5:07 am

Interestingly, I thought the 15 drank fantastically early. I will try to pop a bottle of the 16 in the next week or so.

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#26 Post by Doug Schulman » January 9th, 2019, 9:08 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 6:53 pm
Doug Schulman wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:28 am
Thanks for the note! I'll try to wait a long time before opening either of mine.
Please do...this wine is even more "new world" tonight than it was last night. Alcohol is all over the place, there's a burning in my nose, and the fruit feels a little like it's more in the fig & raisin category then wine. I wonder if I caught this at a bad phase in it's life or if it's just really a vintage I'm not going to like...
Sad. I've had a couple of other recent vintages soon after release and thought they were great.
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#27 Post by Kirk.Grant » January 9th, 2019, 5:54 pm

Doug Schulman wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:08 am
Kirk.Grant wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 6:53 pm
Doug Schulman wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:28 am
Thanks for the note! I'll try to wait a long time before opening either of mine.
Please do...this wine is even more "new world" tonight than it was last night. Alcohol is all over the place, there's a burning in my nose, and the fruit feels a little like it's more in the fig & raisin category then wine. I wonder if I caught this at a bad phase in it's life or if it's just really a vintage I'm not going to like...
Sad. I've had a couple of other recent vintages soon after release and thought they were great.
Night 3 and it finally seems like the Beaucastel I know...

Scents of earth, red fruits, and spice. The palate is a melange of red fruits, spice, and clove. There's a medium length finish, and this is the wine I was hoping I'd find when I opened the bottle. Tonight's wine gives me hope for the future and my remaining wine.
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#28 Post by Jonathan H » February 21st, 2019, 3:21 pm

Steve Brickley wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 10:12 pm
Don’t forget the Roussanne VV. I haven’t tried the 2016, but buy it each year.
The 2016 RVV is a stunner. I was lucky enough to score a few extra bottles than normal this year, so I have enjoyed a few of these in their youth. Now I wish I had more!
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#29 Post by J Dove » February 21st, 2019, 4:23 pm

Jeff Leve wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 8:36 am
larry schaffer wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 8:30 am
Jeff Leve wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Just my opinion but I think this is the best vintage of Besucastel ever produced.
What is it that makes you believe this? Strong statement and the wine is still so young.

Thanks.
Larry,

First, I am going to go out on a limb a bit further and say the 2016 Hommage Perrin is also the best vintage yet for that wine as well!

If I cannot make those choices, I should not be posting those comments, my notes/scores or maintain a website. I have tasted more than enough young wine (and in the case of Beaucastel, more than ample different vintages) to have a very good idea on how the wines I taste often will develop.

Are you saying that when you get a good score from a reviewer, you ask them how they can make such a positive judgment when your wine is still young?
Define reviewer.
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