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#1 Post by Jeff Vaughan » January 6th, 2019, 3:52 pm

I am sitting here watching the Eagles game enjoying a 2010 Cambon La Pelouse Bordeaux that I bought by the case for $19/ea. For my tastes, a very nice wine, and a great value that will drink well for a long time.

2009 and 2010 presented a good opportunity to buy very good, inexpensive wines. I picked up Lanessan, Cambon La Pelouse, Senejac, Lillian Ladouys, and a few others for casual, weeknight wines.

I'm still looking for the 14 Lanessan and didn't like the 15 Lanessan. I bought 16 Lanessan and Lillian Ladouys on futures, as well as some classified growths.

What other $20ish + wines should I look for given the 14, 15, and 16 vintages?
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#2 Post by Brian Gilp » January 6th, 2019, 3:58 pm

I’ve like Tour st. Bonnet in 2005 and 2010 but haven’t had any more recent vintages.

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#3 Post by David Mc » January 6th, 2019, 4:03 pm

Drinking the 2015 Chateau Lanessan watching the game (go Bears!). Only $20 but I'm not loving it either.
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#4 Post by Kris Patten » January 6th, 2019, 4:05 pm

Before Alfert jumps in...Bolaire.

On the more modern side I enjoy La Fleur Morange Mathilde, 100% Old Vine Merlot.
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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 6th, 2019, 4:20 pm

Jeff that 2010 Cambon is a real winner. An excellent vintage for that wine. I think it can go long as well. I recently had the 2000, and it was excellent. Bouard is not involved, so I passed on recent vintages.

Bouard is now involved in Lanessan. Not a fan of 2015. The 2014 is killer, the vintage is killer.

Bolaire Bolaire!!! A bit idiosyncratic with its high percentage of petite Verdot. I love it. And it ages. Just had a 2005 that was sold and had legs to go. Belle-Vue is it’s sister Estate. The Bolaire is $15 and under.

Sociando is king in this $20ish category. It’s over $30 most places now, but I recently grabbed more of the most excellent 2014 for $27.99. This is the QPR of the 2014 vintage.

2014 Chateau de Landiras. Nice thread here on it.

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#6 Post by David Mc » January 6th, 2019, 4:37 pm

Also Chateau La Vieille Cure (~$24) and Chateau Barde-Haut (~$28)
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#7 Post by Dan Kravitz » January 6th, 2019, 5:18 pm

I have been drinking a lot less Bordeaux (although I just posted on one), but over the decades both La Tour St Bonnet and Cambon La Pelouse have proven very reliable and consistently excellent values.

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#8 Post by David Glasser » January 6th, 2019, 5:19 pm

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Cantemerle - more like $30-ish

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#9 Post by DanielP » January 6th, 2019, 5:26 pm

Chateau Massereau cuvee K ~25

I like the naturalish/organic Bordeaux wines at the lower end. There's more of a purity and prettiness to them. No idea if that actually has anything to do with being biodynamic/organic. Chambers stocks a bunch of these.
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#11 Post by Kris Patten » January 6th, 2019, 6:12 pm

I'd also add Chantegrieve, Fonbadet, and Mongravey.
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#12 Post by julianseersmartin » January 6th, 2019, 6:53 pm

Lanessan is consistently the most underwhelming wine in this category for me - never been a fan. Tour St Bonnet is a close second.

I like the Denis Durantou wines like Montlandrie, Les Cruzelles and particularly La Chenade. He is the winemaker at l'Eglise Clinet for those unaware.

Caronne Ste Gemme can be good fun too but it's a wine for the long haul.

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#13 Post by Ron Slye » January 6th, 2019, 7:02 pm

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Cantemerle - more like $30-ish
Cantemerle is a great value in my limited experience. I was lucky/smart (really the former) to buy 2 cases of the 2000 at about $25 per bottle. Still drinking them and loving them. It is now around 30s to 40s depending on vintage. Still a great value in my book.

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#14 Post by Pat Martin » January 6th, 2019, 8:02 pm

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I’ve like Tour st. Bonnet in 2005 and 2010 but haven’t had any more recent vintages.
The 2005 of the TSB is some serious juice, especially for the $12 it cost on release.
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#15 Post by Marc Frontario » January 6th, 2019, 8:08 pm

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#16 Post by Thomas Keim » January 6th, 2019, 8:36 pm

julianseersmartin wrote:
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Lanessan is consistently the most underwhelming wine in this category for me - never been a fan. Tour St Bonnet is a close second.
And I feel the exact opposite. Been drinking both for well over 30 years, and both wines really hit their stride after 10 years. Just drank my last half bottle of the '75 Tour St Bonnet over the holidays, and it was simply beautiful. Nice wines in off vintages as well -
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#17 Post by julianseersmartin » January 6th, 2019, 8:44 pm

To each his own, that's the nice thing about wine.

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#18 Post by Julian Marshall » January 6th, 2019, 11:14 pm

There are so many good CBs that as Julian says, each to their own.
Personally, I prefer 2010 to 2009 and these are my favourites: Caronne Ste Gemme, De Malleret, Larose-Trintaudon, Rollan de By, Citran, Ramafort and Barreyres, so far. De Landiras is a good Graves, but already starting to fade. I got all of them in 2014, 15 and 16. I haven't tried Cambon 2010 yet, because it's normally a bit chunkier but I've no doubt it'll be good. My only disappointment has been the usually very reliable Tour du Haut Moulin - either I got a bad batch or they produced a real stinker in 2010.
Others to consider would be Hanteillan, Liversan, Du Glana from St.Julien, then Fonréaud and Lestage, from Listrac.

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#19 Post by James Billy » January 6th, 2019, 11:41 pm

Julian Marshall wrote:
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There are so many good CBs that as Julian says, each to their own.
Personally, I prefer 2010 to 2009 and these are my favourites: Caronne Ste Gemme, De Malleret, Larose-Trintaudon, Rollan de By, Citran, Ramafort and Barreyres, so far. De Landiras is a good Graves, but already starting to fade. I got all of them in 2014, 15 and 16. I haven't tried Cambon 2010 yet, because it's normally a bit chunkier but I've no doubt it'll be good. My only disappointment has been the usually very reliable Tour du Haut Moulin - either I got a bad batch or they produced a real stinker in 2010.
Others to consider would be Hanteillan, Liversan, Du Glana from St.Julien, then Fonréaud and Lestage, from Listrac.
There are a heck of a lot of chateaux to consider, so I don't think you can just right off 2009 as being inferior to 2010.

I'd say that you need to be careful in 2009 as some wines are overextracted, high alcohol, oak bombs. But there are some great wines, too.

The generic Bordeaux had the chance of full ripeness in 2009 that the didn't get in some vintages and could be great bargains if handled in the right way by the winemakers.

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#20 Post by YLee » January 7th, 2019, 12:05 am

If you don't mind spending about mid $30, I would like to suggest La Dame de Montrose.
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#21 Post by Julian Marshall » January 7th, 2019, 12:32 am

James Billy wrote:
January 6th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Julian Marshall wrote:
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There are so many good CBs that as Julian says, each to their own.
Personally, I prefer 2010 to 2009 and these are my favourites: Caronne Ste Gemme, De Malleret, Larose-Trintaudon, Rollan de By, Citran, Ramafort and Barreyres, so far. De Landiras is a good Graves, but already starting to fade. I got all of them in 2014, 15 and 16. I haven't tried Cambon 2010 yet, because it's normally a bit chunkier but I've no doubt it'll be good. My only disappointment has been the usually very reliable Tour du Haut Moulin - either I got a bad batch or they produced a real stinker in 2010.
Others to consider would be Hanteillan, Liversan, Du Glana from St.Julien, then Fonréaud and Lestage, from Listrac.
There are a heck of a lot of chateaux to consider, so I don't think you can just right off 2009 as being inferior to 2010.

I'd say that you need to be careful in 2009 as some wines are overextracted, high alcohol, oak bombs. But there are some great wines, too.

The generic Bordeaux had the chance of full ripeness in 2009 that the didn't get in some vintages and could be great bargains if handled in the right way by the winemakers.
James, I just said that I preferred 2010, not that it is superior to 2009! I've got loads of the latter too, but I don't find them ready yet. I had a Larose-Trintaudon last week - still very primary and too tiggerish for me, but that's just my taste. Maybe in time I'll think otherwise but for now, I prefer the 2010 structure.

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#22 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 7th, 2019, 4:17 am

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#23 Post by Jay $$ Winton » January 7th, 2019, 8:09 am

Drank a couple 2009 Caronne Ste Gemme recently. Drinking very well now. Glad I bought a case.
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#24 Post by Jeff Rosenberg » January 7th, 2019, 8:15 am

The 2015 Château Malescasse is worth trying for $19.99. Kinda tight now but enjoyable on day two.

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#25 Post by Jeff Leve » January 7th, 2019, 8:59 am

Part of what makes Bordeaux great is the regions ability to produce so many, inexpensive wines in large quantities, in a wide variety of styles. For some tips on wines you might know, or not, these all value wines I follow almost every vintage - https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/bo ... d-estates/

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#26 Post by Lee Barnard » January 7th, 2019, 10:22 am

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I'd also add Chantegrieve, Fonbadet, and Mongravey.
I thought the 2015 Chantegrive was a great QPR. After tasting, bought a half case at $17 each. It is forward, but has some smoke, earth and espresso. Great wine - no - but tastes like a Bordeaux and the 2015 vintage, and does not taste manipulated.

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#27 Post by Marc Frontario » January 7th, 2019, 4:50 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Marc Frontario wrote:
January 6th, 2019, 8:08 pm
Alfert luvs chateau macard
Worst. Frontario. Recommendation. Ever.
Ha!!!
I was snookered in an a'la sierra carche fashion...this wine was the tits, gorgeous old school classic 12.5%alc. bordeaux, and cheap as hell..I couldn't get enough of it.. then it sells out and a second batch is released (same vintage) but w/ a different colored higher toned red foil(Alfert's sample)...and holy crap...this batch was absolute plonk.

I have actually seen this one other time, but with a burgundy...a Fredrick Esmonin gevrey chambertain village.... I was buying them from whole foods...first batch was quite nice....then they sell through it, and a second batch is released...(same wine, same vintage), but minor variation to the font size and lettering on the labeling....this batch was absolute watered down plonk juice....some sneaky shit sure does happen behind the scenes.
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#28 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 7th, 2019, 4:51 pm

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#29 Post by Angelo Manioudakis » January 7th, 2019, 6:00 pm

Try 2015 Chateau Recougne. Delicious at under $25!

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#30 Post by Jeff Vaughan » January 7th, 2019, 6:19 pm

The Cambon La Pelouse hardly changed on the second day. Held up well.

Thanks for all the recommendations. There are two Total Wines near me. One has the 15 and 16 Capbern. I'll try to pick up each to compare. The other has the 14 Lanessan. I'll ok for some of the others mentioned too, including Caronne.
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#31 Post by PHuff » January 8th, 2019, 5:06 am

Angelo Manioudakis wrote:
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Try 2015 Chateau Recougne. Delicious at under $25!
Angelo, can you tell me more about your experience with this wine? It looks like it's only about $13/bottle around here in NJ. I would love to find a $13 Bordeaux that I would look forward to drinking......

Heck, for $13 I'll just go grab a few and try it.........
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#32 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » January 8th, 2019, 1:07 pm

Senejac is my favorite sub-$20 red Bordeaux.
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#33 Post by Jim Hartten » January 9th, 2019, 7:42 am

I agree about Senejac - both the 15 and 16 are available and have been getting good reviews. Like others here, I bought 12 of the half bottles of the 16 from Last Bottle and have already had three and think it very nice medium bodied with a little energy and rich fruit - a very good QPR. [thumbs-up.gif] I recently bought a case of 750s from MacArthur Beverages for $16 per and a case of the 15 at $15 per from Gordon's - so get these while they last. This is clearly the best under $20 Bordeaux I have had recently. [cheers.gif]

PS, I have now had 5-6 different $25-$35 2015 Bordeaux that have arrived in the last six months and have found most to have medium-firm structure, rich fruit and good longer-term potential. Many 2015s may start closing down somewhat near term but results will vary. [drinkers.gif]

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#34 Post by julianseersmartin » January 9th, 2019, 9:47 am

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I agree about Senejac - both the 15 and 16 are available and have been getting good reviews. Like others here, I bought 12 of the half bottles of the 16 from Last Bottle and have already had three and think it very nice medium bodied with a little energy and rich fruit - a very good QPR. [thumbs-up.gif] I recently bought a case of 750s from MacArthur Beverages for $16 per and a case of the 15 at $15 per from Gordon's - so get these while they last. This is clearly the best under $20 Bordeaux I have had recently. [cheers.gif]

PS, I have now had 5-6 different $25-$35 2015 Bordeaux that have arrived in the last six months and have found most to have medium-firm structure, rich fruit and good longer-term potential. Many 2015s may start closing down somewhat near term but results will vary. [drinkers.gif]
The 2015 Senejac has clammed up in my opinion and it's now time to leave it alone. Thanks for the tip on the 16, will give one of mine a go.

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#35 Post by bretrooks » January 9th, 2019, 12:52 pm

julianseersmartin wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:47 am
Jim Hartten wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:42 am
I agree about Senejac - both the 15 and 16 are available and have been getting good reviews. Like others here, I bought 12 of the half bottles of the 16 from Last Bottle and have already had three and think it very nice medium bodied with a little energy and rich fruit - a very good QPR. [thumbs-up.gif] I recently bought a case of 750s from MacArthur Beverages for $16 per and a case of the 15 at $15 per from Gordon's - so get these while they last. This is clearly the best under $20 Bordeaux I have had recently. [cheers.gif]

PS, I have now had 5-6 different $25-$35 2015 Bordeaux that have arrived in the last six months and have found most to have medium-firm structure, rich fruit and good longer-term potential. Many 2015s may start closing down somewhat near term but results will vary. [drinkers.gif]
The 2015 Senejac has clammed up in my opinion and it's now time to leave it alone. Thanks for the tip on the 16, will give one of mine a go.
I opened a 2014 at the end of November and had a similar impression - it wasn't showing much. Didn't give it all that much air, to be fair, though.
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#36 Post by Howard Cooper » January 9th, 2019, 3:24 pm

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Rochemorin
Cantemerle - more like $30-ish
Cantemerle is a great value in my limited experience. I was lucky/smart (really the former) to buy 2 cases of the 2000 at about $25 per bottle. Still drinking them and loving them. It is now around 30s to 40s depending on vintage. Still a great value in my book.
The 2015 stood out to me as a great value at a UGC Bordeaux tasting last January.
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#37 Post by Angelo Manioudakis » January 12th, 2019, 5:07 pm

PHuff wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:06 am
Angelo Manioudakis wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 6:00 pm
Try 2015 Chateau Recougne. Delicious at under $25!
Angelo, can you tell me more about your experience with this wine? It looks like it's only about $13/bottle around here in NJ. I would love to find a $13 Bordeaux that I would look forward to drinking......

Heck, for $13 I'll just go grab a few and try it.........
I really don’t know much about it. I was introduced to it by a friend who has a great palate (and a serious cellar) and have been buying it fairly regularly. We once drank a 1970 Recougne from his cellar from mag and it was still going strong.

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#38 Post by Arv R » January 13th, 2019, 2:34 pm

Among names not yet mentioned, I like Charmail, Fontenil, Bonalgue, d'Escurac.
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#39 Post by Ed Steinway » January 13th, 2019, 4:49 pm

+1 on the 2014 de Landaris. We bought two cases for less than $15 per bottle. Coufran is a good value for around $20, and if you go up to $25, the 2015 Lilian Ladouys is excellent.

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#40 Post by R0$$ M 0 R R 1 $ 0 N » January 13th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Cantemerle is a perennial favorite bargain Bordeaux but the price in our market (Toronto) is creeping up. Clarke (Listrac) is a relatively good buy and can do quite well. I bought a case of 2005 and it is still going strong. Beaumont (Haut Medoc) is a very good buy in the $20s in our market. Some vintages can be a bit lighter in body but it is still tasty and does shine in better vintages. I recently opened an 09 Beaumont beside 09 Saffredi and 09 Il Carboniaone. The Beaumont stood up really well against the Saffredi and Carbonaione with one person even choosing it as her favorite.

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#41 Post by Michae1 P0wers » January 14th, 2019, 7:42 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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Senejac is my favorite sub-$20 red Bordeaux.
I'm also a big fan. Had a very good bottle of the 2010 last night, the third of my case. Upon opening I worried it wasn't up to the previous two, but it just needed air. Four hours later it was very good. These are silly cheap as futures, though quite inexpensive after release as well.

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#42 Post by Josh Grossman » January 14th, 2019, 8:44 am

No mention of Château Tour Saint Christophe? Too modern in style?

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#43 Post by Kris Patten » January 14th, 2019, 11:58 am

Josh Grossman wrote:
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No mention of Château Tour Saint Christophe? Too modern in style?
Over $20 and heading towards $35.
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#44 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 14th, 2019, 12:05 pm

It’s a darling of Suckling.

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#45 Post by Kris Patten » January 14th, 2019, 12:31 pm

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It’s a darling of Suckling.
Galloni a fan too as was Neal Martin when he was at TWA.
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#46 Post by Jeff Leve » January 14th, 2019, 2:09 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 11:58 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 8:44 am
No mention of Château Tour Saint Christophe? Too modern in style?
Over $20 and heading towards $35.
It’s worth the slightly elevated price. FWIW, 2016 is even better than the 2015. There are still stores selling this for about $30. IMO there is no better value for a high-quality wine in Saint Emilion today.

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Re: Inexpensive Bordeaux

#47 Post by Richard T r i m p i » February 11th, 2019, 10:04 am

Jeff Leve wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 2:09 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 11:58 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 8:44 am
No mention of Château Tour Saint Christophe? Too modern in style?
Over $20 and heading towards $35.
It’s worth the slightly elevated price. FWIW, 2016 is even better than the 2015. There are still stores selling this for about $30. IMO there is no better value for a high-quality wine in Saint Emilion today.
https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/bo ... eaux-wine/
Just encountered Tour Saint Christophe for the first time at a party over the weekend (2014 Magnum). Nice affordable St. Emilion...holding the middle ground between modern and rustic. Decanting helped. I'd gladly buy and consume in the $25 - $35 range, less attractive above that.

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Re: Inexpensive Bordeaux

#48 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 11th, 2019, 1:56 pm

Is this a second label?:

2014 Les Terrasses de Tour Saint-Christophe, Saint-Emilion

My local retailer just listed it at $20 with a Decanter 95 rating. Doesn’t sound like my style of Bordeaux, but I saw it after reading RT’s post above.

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Re: Inexpensive Bordeaux

#49 Post by Vince T » February 11th, 2019, 3:44 pm

Any thoughts on Coufran? k&L has the ‘09 for $21. An 85% merlot Haut-Medoc
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Re: Inexpensive Bordeaux

#50 Post by Kris Patten » February 11th, 2019, 4:06 pm

Jeff Leve wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 2:09 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 11:58 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 8:44 am
No mention of Château Tour Saint Christophe? Too modern in style?
Over $20 and heading towards $35.
It’s worth the slightly elevated price. FWIW, 2016 is even better than the 2015. There are still stores selling this for about $30. IMO there is no better value for a high-quality wine in Saint Emilion today.

https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/bo ... eaux-wine/
You don't have to convince me its worth it, bought 750ml -> 3L as it's my son's birthyear, just didn't fit the OP price range.
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