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Re: Favorite Producer

#51 Post by Jim F » January 2nd, 2019, 11:41 am

How do you define “favorite”? Would that include stuff beyond your normal price range? If so, then I would say Haut Brion maybe for red. If not, Beringer PR- have always loved that wine and I do buy it. White- none, gave up pursuing any. Value-priced plonk will do.
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#52 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 2nd, 2019, 11:53 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 10:38 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 1st, 2019, 3:32 pm
Red: Vieux Chateau Certan
White: Donnhoff
You like this fruity soft velvety bourgeois liquid better than an insipid green herbaceous Loire Chinon table wine????
VCC brings out my slutty, wild side!

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Re: Favorite Producer

#53 Post by Markus S » January 2nd, 2019, 11:54 am

larry schaffer wrote:
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... definitely not what the 'average' drinker would say, right?
You know these berserkers are "above-average" and tending to be in the (top)10% socioeconomically, right? [drinkers.gif]
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#54 Post by Greg K » January 2nd, 2019, 12:22 pm

Red: Fourrier/Chave
White: Maybe Krug?
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#55 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 2nd, 2019, 2:40 pm

I was going to use Kirk’s model but it’s still too hard.

How do you pick among Rousseau, Cheval Blanc, VCC, Haut Brion, and Lopez de Heredia? How do you pick among Huet, Raveneau, Roulot, and about half a dozen great German Riesling producers? How do you pick among Salon, Roederer, and Vilmart? How do you pick a Rose among LdH and the Cotat cousins? That’s about as far as I can get.

I can only play on fortified: Barbeito.

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#56 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 2nd, 2019, 2:50 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 2:40 pm
I was going to use Kirk’s model but it’s still too hard.

How do you pick among Rousseau, Cheval Blanc, VCC, Haut Brion, and Lopez de Heredia? How do you pick among Huet, Raveneau, Roulot, and about half a dozen great German Riesling producers? How do you pick among Salon, Roederer, and Vilmart? How do you pick a Rose among LdH and the Cotat cousins? That’s about as far as I can get.

I can only play on fortified: Barbeito.
Apropos to your question, and an apt response . . . .



I just love the Met's video series of interviews with Lauder after he donated more than $1 billion in cubist works. This is a man worth meeting and enjoying his conversation and insights over a nice lunch with a fine, elegant French red.

So which is my favorite? The select one of my favorites that I am currently enjoying. [cheers.gif]

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#57 Post by Ed Gonzales » January 2nd, 2019, 2:54 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 8:24 am
Such an interesting list of wines - and definitely not what the 'average' drinker would say, right?

I'd be curious to ask the same question of 'average' drinkers and may do this on social media to 'compare and contrast'.

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ill save you the time larry.

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#58 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 2nd, 2019, 3:16 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 2:50 pm
Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 2:40 pm
I was going to use Kirk’s model but it’s still too hard.

How do you pick among Rousseau, Cheval Blanc, VCC, Haut Brion, and Lopez de Heredia? How do you pick among Huet, Raveneau, Roulot, and about half a dozen great German Riesling producers? How do you pick among Salon, Roederer, and Vilmart? How do you pick a Rose among LdH and the Cotat cousins? That’s about as far as I can get.

I can only play on fortified: Barbeito.
Apropos to your question, and an apt response . . . .



I just love the Met's video series of interviews with Lauder after he donated more than $1 billion in cubist works. This is a man worth meeting and enjoying his conversation and insights over a nice lunch with a fine, elegant French red.

So which is my favorite? The select one of my favorites that I am currently enjoying. [cheers.gif]
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#59 Post by Ron Erickson » January 2nd, 2019, 3:42 pm

While I've had my share of Burgundies and Bordeaux, I've never had the interest to pay the tariff for the big guns.
For 15 years now, put a bottle of pinot noir from St Innocent in front of me, and I'm as happy as a clam.

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#60 Post by Charlie Carnes » January 2nd, 2019, 3:45 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 2:40 pm
I was going to use Kirk’s model but it’s still too hard.

How do you pick among Rousseau, Cheval Blanc, VCC, Haut Brion, and Lopez de Heredia? How do you pick among Huet, Raveneau, Roulot, and about half a dozen great German Riesling producers? How do you pick among Salon, Roederer, and Vilmart? How do you pick a Rose among LdH and the Cotat cousins? That’s about as far as I can get.

I can only play on fortified: Barbeito.
Well said, indeed!

If I had to right now, based on what I buy and drink: Another for M-G, Willi Schaefer, and Salon!

Take the $ out of the equation- easy, right?- based on young and old bottles I have drunk, I would change the red to Leroy!!! Or maybe La Mission!!!
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Re: Favorite Producer

#61 Post by c fu » January 2nd, 2019, 4:01 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 2:40 pm
I was going to use Kirk’s model but it’s still too hard.

How do you pick among Rousseau, Cheval Blanc, VCC, Haut Brion, and Lopez de Heredia? How do you pick among Huet, Raveneau, Roulot, and about half a dozen great German Riesling producers? How do you pick among Salon, Roederer, and Vilmart? How do you pick a Rose among LdH and the Cotat cousins? That’s about as far as I can get.

I can only play on fortified: Barbeito.
Easy! Just pick rousseau and roulot!
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#62 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » January 2nd, 2019, 4:05 pm

Red: Littorai
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#63 Post by TBurklow » January 2nd, 2019, 4:12 pm

Red: Liger-Belair (largest holding in my cellar), Hudelot Noellat (growing at a much faster clip due to pricing)
White: Roulot
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#64 Post by Ed Gonzales » January 2nd, 2019, 4:26 pm

TBurklow wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 4:12 pm
Red: Liger-Belair (largest holding in my cellar), Hudelot Noellat (growing at a much faster clip due to pricing)
White: Roulot
dibs, or is it bin.

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#65 Post by c fu » January 2nd, 2019, 4:51 pm

TBurklow wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 4:12 pm
Red: Liger-Belair (largest holding in my cellar), Hudelot Noellat (growing at a much faster clip due to pricing)
White: Roulot
I second Tyler's post.

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#66 Post by Ken Strauss » January 2nd, 2019, 4:51 pm

Favorite producer is Peter Michael.
They have it all. Pinot, Chardonnay,Bordeaux blend, white blend and they are all terrific!
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#67 Post by Brian Pinci » January 2nd, 2019, 4:59 pm

Red: Giscours
White: Peter Michael
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#68 Post by Robert Grenley » January 2nd, 2019, 5:10 pm

Red: Rousseau
White: Coche-Dury/Raveneau tie
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#69 Post by Dan Kravitz » January 2nd, 2019, 5:48 pm

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#70 Post by D@v!d P@rt@!n » January 2nd, 2019, 5:57 pm

DRC
Krug
Wish DRC was more affordable [cry.gif]
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#71 Post by M ike P eterson » January 2nd, 2019, 7:26 pm

Red - Bevan
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#72 Post by Craig G » January 2nd, 2019, 7:32 pm

I might change my mind tomorrow, but based on what’s well represented in my cellar...

Red: Chave
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#73 Post by B. Buzzini » January 2nd, 2019, 7:40 pm

I’d like to say DRC and Coche....but with affordability in mind....lets say Bertheau and PYCM.
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#74 Post by Jim Anderson » January 2nd, 2019, 8:00 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
January 1st, 2019, 6:12 pm
Red: Toss up between Produttori and Patricia Green.
White: Keller or Walter Scott

I obviously chose a New and an Old World Favorite for each. Love the balance between deliciousness, reliability, and price point for each of these producers. there is also a list of producers that are close runners ups.
My two favorite red producers as well! Certainly the actual physical inventory of Produttori towers over anything in the cellar at this point given the consistent 2-6 cases/year purchase depending on cru releases for the vintage. Theoretical inventory of PGC is many, many times over what I actually have on hand as I really don’t take very much each vintage.

Anyway, thanks for the nomination. It’s cool in a landscape of old, serious and expensive wineries being mentioned.
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#75 Post by RyanC » January 2nd, 2019, 8:08 pm

Kind of impossible to answer, but based on gut reaction:

Red: Lafarge (price is no object: Rousseau or Dujac)
White: PYCM or Ramonet
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#76 Post by John W Osgood » January 2nd, 2019, 8:15 pm

Red: Bartolo Mascarello

White: Roulot
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#77 Post by RyanC » January 2nd, 2019, 8:23 pm

John W Osgood wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 8:15 pm
Red: Bartolo Mascarello

White: Roulot
Lots of love for Bartolo. Sort of surprising I suppose, but on the basis of the magical 08 Bartolo Barolo I popped last week, it's hard to disagree.
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#78 Post by R. Gaston » January 2nd, 2019, 8:50 pm

Best Producer Red and White

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#79 Post by Claus Jeppesen » January 3rd, 2019, 9:02 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 11:53 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 10:38 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 1st, 2019, 3:32 pm
Red: Vieux Chateau Certan
White: Donnhoff
You like this fruity soft velvety bourgeois liquid better than an insipid green herbaceous Loire Chinon table wine????
VCC brings out my slutty, wild side!
So thats whats behind the story about the hot tour guide neener
I like VCC too [cheers.gif]
But not as much as Bartolo [cheers.gif]
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#80 Post by Claus Jeppesen » January 3rd, 2019, 9:04 am

Greg K wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 12:22 pm
Red: Fourrier/Chave
White: Maybe Krug?
Does Krug make white wine??
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#81 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 3rd, 2019, 9:13 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:04 am
Greg K wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 12:22 pm
Red: Fourrier/Chave
White: Maybe Krug?
Does Krug make white wine??
Charles made some excellent Napa Cabs in the 50s and 60s!
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#82 Post by Greg K » January 3rd, 2019, 9:41 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:04 am
Greg K wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 12:22 pm
Red: Fourrier/Chave
White: Maybe Krug?
Does Krug make white wine??
I’ve never thought of non rose champagne as red...
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#83 Post by Phil M » January 3rd, 2019, 10:39 am

Red- Realm
White - PYCM
Rose - Tercero
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#84 Post by Claus Jeppesen » January 3rd, 2019, 10:46 am

Greg K wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:41 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:04 am
Greg K wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 12:22 pm
Red: Fourrier/Chave
White: Maybe Krug?
Does Krug make white wine??
I’ve never thought of non rose champagne as red...
Me neither
Did you hear of the term Champagne?
It is not a subdivision of white wine
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#85 Post by Greg K » January 3rd, 2019, 10:55 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 10:46 am
Greg K wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:41 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:04 am


Does Krug make white wine??
I’ve never thought of non rose champagne as red...
Me neither
Did you hear of the term Champagne?
It is not a subdivision of white wine
neener
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#86 Post by Greg K » January 3rd, 2019, 10:56 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 10:46 am
Greg K wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:41 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:04 am


Does Krug make white wine??
I’ve never thought of non rose champagne as red...
Me neither
Did you hear of the term Champagne?
It is not a subdivision of white wine
neener
So you’re saying it’s red, then :)
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#87 Post by Claus Jeppesen » January 3rd, 2019, 11:02 am

If you say so champagne.gif champagne.gif
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#88 Post by Pat Martin » January 3rd, 2019, 12:17 pm

Ken Strauss wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 4:51 pm
Favorite producer is Peter Michael.
They have it all. Pinot, Chardonnay,Bordeaux blend, white blend and they are all terrific!
Based on this logic, Ridge wins easily for me. And indeed, adding up all the various bottlings in my cellar from a given producer, Ridge is my largest holding by a good margin.
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#89 Post by lleichtman » January 3rd, 2019, 1:36 pm

Rayas red
Raveneau white
Salon sparkling
Sweet Chateau Suiduiraut
Rose well I drink about anything
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#90 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 3rd, 2019, 2:00 pm

Pat Martin wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 12:17 pm
Ken Strauss wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 4:51 pm
Favorite producer is Peter Michael.
They have it all. Pinot, Chardonnay,Bordeaux blend, white blend and they are all terrific!
Based on this logic, Ridge wins easily for me. And indeed, adding up all the various bottlings in my cellar from a given producer, Ridge is my largest holding by a good margin.
For the Francophiles, Baudry fits that bill. A couple of whites, a Rose, two basis cuvees and three premium cuvees. Too bad their Franc de Pied died. Everything top notch in most vintages, and affordable.

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#91 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » January 3rd, 2019, 5:24 pm

Based on what I can actually afford
Red: Arcadian
White: Guiberteau (this was the most difficult category to pick, as I'm very variety-dependent here)
Rose: Musar
Sweet: JJ Prum
Fortified: Equipo Navazos
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#92 Post by Bud Carey » January 3rd, 2019, 5:27 pm

Red - Myriad

White - Peay
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#93 Post by maureen nelson » January 3rd, 2019, 7:19 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 2:40 pm
I was going to use Kirk’s model but it’s still too hard.

How do you pick among Rousseau, Cheval Blanc, VCC, Haut Brion, and Lopez de Heredia?
Easy. Rousseau. Was that a real question?

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#94 Post by Benjamin C » January 3rd, 2019, 8:56 pm

Red - Comte Liger-Belair
White - Ramonet
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#95 Post by Peter Chiu » January 4th, 2019, 8:31 am

Ray Walker for both. flirtysmile

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#96 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » January 4th, 2019, 12:34 pm

Rousseau
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#97 Post by Jay Miller » January 4th, 2019, 12:44 pm

Peter Chiu wrote:
January 4th, 2019, 8:31 am
Ray Walker for both. flirtysmile
Entertainment value?
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#98 Post by Danius Barzdukas » January 4th, 2019, 4:22 pm

I haven't drunk more than two of their wines because I can't afford them, but I like burgundy and I will vote for DRC for the reds since it is generally believed DRC is the best producer of red burgundy, and I am happy to support the best, so they are my favorite. Dujac or Drouhin may be the only challengers here, since they produce a broader variety and I like the style. For whites, Ramonet, Roulot, d'Yquem,or Raveneau, although I have never had any of these, but they sound like they are great from the tasting notes people post here, so I am happy to say they are my favorite, because, once again, they seem to produce the best, so I support them. [cheers.gif] The stuff I drink doesn't seem like it is as good, so I don't like them as much.

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#99 Post by John Glas » January 4th, 2019, 9:11 pm

Red: St. Innocent or Ridge
White: Dr. Loosen or Ridge

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#100 Post by Peter Chiu » January 7th, 2019, 5:24 am

Jay Miller wrote:
January 4th, 2019, 12:44 pm
Peter Chiu wrote:
January 4th, 2019, 8:31 am
Ray Walker for both. flirtysmile
Entertainment value?

Yes - just for the fun.... pileon

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