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#1 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm

Too late for B. Mascarello and G. Conterno. Who is next? Should I be buying all Vajra that I can get my hands on? Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
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#2 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 28th, 2018, 3:33 pm

Excessible barolo? Is that a references to modernists with excessive oak?

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#3 Post by Jim Stewart » December 28th, 2018, 3:45 pm

Extreme large bottle formats?

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#4 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » December 28th, 2018, 4:33 pm

You misspelled excessibe.
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#5 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 28th, 2018, 4:37 pm

P@u1_M3nk3s wrote:
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You misspelled excessibe.
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#6 Post by Mattstolz » December 28th, 2018, 4:56 pm

how are you defining accessible? do you want accessible vintages, producers, labels...?

also I've never had a bottle of giacosa I didn't love.

but same goes for Vajra.

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#7 Post by Dale Williams » December 28th, 2018, 5:21 pm

at first I read title as Seeking Execrable....

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#8 Post by Greg K » December 28th, 2018, 5:39 pm

Dale Williams wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 5:21 pm
at first I read title as Seeking Execrable....
I have some Aldo Conterno I’ve been looking to sell!
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#9 Post by Michael_H » December 29th, 2018, 7:43 pm

Assuming the OP meant accessible. Michael, when you say accessible what does that mean to you? For some barolo in general isn't super accessible. Any favorite commune? From Castiglione I love Brovia (their Ca' mia from Serralunga is superb is well) but that is escalating in price quickly too. I've been impressed with some of Guido Porro's wines from serralunga and those are about as Accessible as cru Barolo gets, but some vintages I've found to lack concentration. Francesco Rinaldi in Barolo is another good one that is affordable.

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#10 Post by Randy Bowman » December 29th, 2018, 8:05 pm

I checked every bottle we have in stock. None said were they excessible or accessible, BUT I could touch them so they really are accessible. [wink.gif]
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#11 Post by Gary York » December 29th, 2018, 10:39 pm

Brovia, Fratelli Alessandria and Ettore Germano.
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#12 Post by Jim Anderson » December 29th, 2018, 10:56 pm

P@u1_M3nk3s wrote:
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You misspelled excessibe.
Not for a balla’.
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#13 Post by NickRut » December 30th, 2018, 4:20 am

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#14 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 30th, 2018, 4:57 am

Greg K wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 5:39 pm
Dale Williams wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 5:21 pm
at first I read title as Seeking Execrable....
I have some Aldo Conterno I’ve been looking to sell!
You are now ITB!

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#15 Post by Tim G. » December 30th, 2018, 5:36 am

A. Conterno, Brovia, Scavino...there are plenty. I my mind the biggest issue w accessibility is age and/or time in the decanter or both. Barolo should be given many hours of air before consumption. Particularly for any Barolo younger than say 20-25 years. 6-8 hours of air. Even for older vintages that can be preferable.

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#16 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 30th, 2018, 6:41 am

I'm feeling really guilty that I have many thinking I meant accessible when I used excessible. I figured that the context in the way it was used would be enough to understand its meaning, even for those not familiar with the word. For our purpose here, it refers to ostentatious excess or perhaps having more resources than sense. So, with the cost of Bartolo Mascarello and Giacomo Conterno becoming increasingly prohibitively expensive for all but excessible ballers, I'm curious as to which Barolo producer will be the next one that I can no longer afford.
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#17 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » December 30th, 2018, 6:54 am

And why should we tell you?
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#18 Post by Gary York » December 30th, 2018, 7:35 am

Depending on where you draw the line, maybe Vietti or Sandrone?
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#19 Post by NoahR » December 30th, 2018, 8:32 am

Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 6:41 am
I'm feeling really guilty that I have many thinking I meant accessible when I used excessible. I figured that the context in the way it was used would be enough to understand its meaning, even for those not familiar with the word. For our purpose here, it refers to ostentatious excess or perhaps having more resources than sense. So, with the cost of Bartolo Mascarello and Giacomo Conterno becoming increasingly prohibitively expensive for all but excessible ballers, I'm curious as to which Barolo producer will be the next one that I can no longer afford.
Are you trying to claim both that “excessible” is a word, and that we should have been able to figure out what you meant by context? Don’t think so.

How much can you afford? Answer is probably whatever Galloni rates at 100, with Burlotto Monvigliero tripling in price overnight.
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#20 Post by A. So » December 30th, 2018, 8:42 am

ITT: moron tries to copy moron. Fails.
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#21 Post by Andrew Hamilton » December 30th, 2018, 9:21 am

There are 10 listings of 2014 Bartolo Mascarello Barolo on the free version of Wine Searcher in the US under $200 right now. Sure it's not cheap but I balk at describing that price point as "ostentatious excess", especially given the wine. Same for G. Conterno, there are ~25 listings of the Francia under $200. I feel like you're effectively trying to ask "What's the next Monfortino?" In response I'm with David on that one.
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Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Yes. I'm collecting a 2011 red label in roughly a week.

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#22 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 30th, 2018, 10:05 am

A. So wrote:
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ITT: moron tries to copy moron. Fails.
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#23 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 30th, 2018, 10:06 am

Andrew Hamilton wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 9:21 am
There are 10 listings of 2014 Bartolo Mascarello Barolo on the free version of Wine Searcher in the US under $200 right now. Sure it's not cheap but I balk at describing that price point as "ostentatious excess", especially given the wine. Same for G. Conterno, there are ~25 listings of the Francia under $200. I feel like you're effectively trying to ask "What's the next Monfortino?" In response I'm with David on that one.
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Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Yes. I'm collecting a 2011 red label in roughly a week.
It's simply reflective of an undesirable vintage. So was 2009 and it's now selling for more than anyone would have thought.
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#24 Post by Andrew Hamilton » December 30th, 2018, 10:24 am

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It's simply reflective of an undesirable vintage. So was 2009 and it's now selling for more than anyone would have thought.
I disagree that 14 was undesirable or comparable to 09. One was a hot vintage while the other was a cool and classic one. 12 was overlooked due to 13 hype and there are still numerous wines available from that vintage due to excessible 13 cheerleading by critics. Further the Francia's available on WS at the price point I mentioned are 03, 06, 09, 11, and 12. You might scoff at 03's but Roberto made Monfortino that year and apparently it is very good. 06 is a highly rated classic vintage.

Every vintage has good and even great wines despite people like you proclaiming they're undesirable. And if you're going to vintage chase you should have mentioned that in your OP. Finally I feel your complaint is more about excessible markups by people in the retail chain. Regardless, my point stands. Monfortino starts at roughly $1k on winesearcher. B. Mascarello and Conterno Francia can both be found for ~$200. That's quite a difference.

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#25 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 30th, 2018, 11:09 am

Andrew Hamilton wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 10:24 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 10:06 am
It's simply reflective of an undesirable vintage. So was 2009 and it's now selling for more than anyone would have thought.
I disagree that 14 was undesirable or comparable to 09. One was a hot vintage while the other was a cool and classic one. 12 was overlooked due to 13 hype and there are still numerous wines available from that vintage due to excessible 13 cheerleading by critics. Further the Francia's available on WS at the price point I mentioned are 03, 06, 09, 11, and 12. You might scoff at 03's but Roberto made Monfortino that year and apparently it is very good. 06 is a highly rated classic vintage.

Every vintage has good and even great wines despite people like you proclaiming they're undesirable. And if you're going to vintage chase you should have mentioned that in your OP. Finally I feel your complaint is more about excessible markups by people in the retail chain. Regardless, my point stands. Monfortino starts at roughly $1k on winesearcher. B. Mascarello and Conterno Francia can both be found for ~$200. That's quite a difference.
There was no Monfortino made in 2003 but it was made in 2002 which by any standard was a miserable vintage for Barolo. In regard to 2014, the issue appears to be one of dilution rather than heat or coolness. I agree that in most vintages, 2002 aside, that the better producers often make very good, but rarely great wines. No doubt when comparing the disparity of price of the wines in Italy and the US, it's the distribution chain that is responsible for the significant increases in prices. I'm sure within a couple of years what is left of 2014 Bartolo will be selling for $350+.
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#26 Post by Greg K » December 30th, 2018, 11:50 am

Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Bruno Giacosa is dead at retail.
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#27 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 30th, 2018, 12:01 pm

Greg K wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 11:50 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Bruno Giacosa is dead at retail.
I stopped paying attention when the decision was made not to produce Barolo with the 2010 vintage. I would assume with Dante's return that the wines are back up to standard.
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#28 Post by Andrew Hamilton » December 30th, 2018, 1:49 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 11:09 am
There was no Monfortino made in 2003 but it was made in 2002 which by any standard was a miserable vintage for Barolo.
Yep, my mistake. I was thinking 2002.
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In regard to 2014, the issue appears to be one of dilution rather than heat or coolness.
Yes, I understand that. But are you genuinely asserting that the rains in July were a uniform drenching across every cru vineyard? Do you honestly believe that every 2014 Barolo is dilute? We don't drink vintages, we drink wines. And each is different. Sadly that fact appears to be lost on vintage and point chasers. I for one am happy for this though as I've been able to snag a couple of the 2014 Bartolo Barolos over here in the US while on vacation. I didn't even get an offer from my usual source in Piemonte as his allocation was so low, yet over here retailers are sitting on unsold stock equal to or greater than the entire allocation of my guy.

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#29 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 30th, 2018, 2:04 pm

Greg K wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 11:50 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Bruno Giacosa is dead at retail.
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#30 Post by Andrew Hamilton » February 10th, 2019, 11:12 pm

Both G. Conterno and Giacosa are making Riserva Barolo in 2014 (Monfortino and the Riserva Falletto Vigna Le Rocche). I guess Roberto and Bruna are partial to dilute riservas. [stirthepothal.gif]

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#31 Post by Andrew Hamilton » February 10th, 2019, 11:13 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 2:04 pm
Greg K wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 11:50 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Bruno Giacosa is dead at retail.
In pretty much every phase
And I just ordered a 6 pack. If everyone could stop buying Giacosa besides me that would be swell. flirtysmile

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#32 Post by John Morris » February 11th, 2019, 10:33 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 2:04 pm
Greg K wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 11:50 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Does anyone still buy B. Giacosa?
Bruno Giacosa is dead at retail.
In pretty much every phase
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#33 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 11th, 2019, 10:45 am

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