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2016 CdP

#1 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 17th, 2018, 1:45 am

Highly regarded vintage; what have people tried so far?

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#2 Post by Gerhard P. » December 17th, 2018, 2:27 am

I´ve tried a lot so far, from Pegau (simply great, the best vintage at least after 2010), Rayas (will be released in 2022/23), Marcoux, Bois de Boursan, Clos du Caillou, Ferrand, Domaine de Barroche, Mont-Olivet, Mordoree, Sabon ...
The best 2016s show even greater concentration than 2015, but with a lively structure/acidity and freshness ...
Nevertheless it is no vintage for lovers of lightweight wines ...
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#3 Post by Adam Lee » December 17th, 2018, 6:48 am

I've had a lot of 2016s as well - having been over there twice in the last 5 months. Some favorites include Cuvee du Papet from Clos du Mont-Olivet, the Charles Guiraud from Saint-Prefert, the Reserve des Deux Freres from Pierre Useglio, the A La Gloire de Mon Grand-Père from Bosquet des Papes, and the XXL from Janasse.

FWIW, I am a huge fan of the 15s and 17s at Clos des Papes, maybe even more than the 16. And I generally prefer the 17 Cotes du Rhones to the 16s as they just seem more fresh.

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#4 Post by davidsturek » December 17th, 2018, 7:00 am

Any thoughts on Beaucastel in ‘16 v ‘17 ?

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#5 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 17th, 2018, 7:03 am

I picked up a few of those bosquet; maybe I’ll give one a shot soon. So far have mostly loaded up on vt, vd, and Beaucastel for 15 and 16.

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#6 Post by Adam Lee » December 17th, 2018, 7:12 am

davidsturek wrote:
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Any thoughts on Beaucastel in ‘16 v ‘17 ?
I didn't try the 17. But thought that both the 16 and 15 are pretty backward and a bit disjointed compared to a lot of other CdP from the same vintages. They're going to be superb, but you want let them sit awhile in the cellar before popping one.

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#7 Post by Jon B A R T » December 17th, 2018, 2:44 pm

I have had quite a few 2016's, having spent 4 days in CdP in November. Mayard, Beaurenard, Barroche, Clos des Papes, Pegau, and Beaucastel. Tried to visit St. Prefert, but no one was available to do a tasting. By far my favorite was Clos des Papes from a QPR perspective, but they are all were excellent.
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#8 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 28th, 2018, 8:47 am

Clos des Papes has been a bit hard to find at reasonable prices.

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#9 Post by David Glasser » December 28th, 2018, 9:50 am

A timely topic. For those who are more enamored of the traditional rather than the ripe/sweet versions and luxe cuvées of CdP, what are the standouts? Beaucastel, Charvin, Pegau, Vieux Telegraphe are usually on my buy list. How did they do? Any others not to miss?

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#10 Post by C. Keller » December 28th, 2018, 9:52 am

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Clos des Papes has been a bit hard to find at reasonable prices.
+1.

Went into a local wine store here recently with the idea I was going to treat myself to the Clos des Papes 16. They had the 2012 next to that for $50 less! and then to the left of the 2012 was the 16 Beacaustel and 16 Clos du Mont olivet le Cuvee du Papet both for half the 16 Clos des Papes. Hence, I went for the 16 beaucastel and clos Du Mont. 2 for 1 I couldn't pass up. And my young palate probably couldn't tell the difference.
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#11 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 28th, 2018, 10:00 am

I stocked up on Beaucastel, Pegau, VT, and Vieux Donjon (case + of each). I grabbed a few Bosquet de Papes Grand Pere and Grand Veneur VV. The first 3 I consider more traditional, and I've really enjoyed the bottles I've tried.

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#12 Post by John Morris » December 28th, 2018, 11:18 am

Not CdP, but I had the '16 Dom. Cayron Gigondas last night and it had the freshness that seems to characterize the '16s from Burgundy and Beaujolais all the way down to the Southern Rhone. It had a marked grapefruit note on the nose and in the mouth, with tremendous concentration and structure (both tannin and acid). Really terrific stuff at ~$30. And there was no conspicuous alcohol, unlike some '15 Southern Rhones. Bring on the '16s, I say!

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#13 Post by dsimmons » December 28th, 2018, 12:51 pm

been trying to cut back but for '16 have bought the Beaucastel, Caillou Les Quartz, Janasse Chaupin, and Usseglio Impériale. May buy a few more if I see good pricing.
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#14 Post by Gerhard P. » December 28th, 2018, 1:15 pm

David Glasser wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 9:50 am
A timely topic. For those who are more enamored of the traditional rather than the ripe/sweet versions and luxe cuvées of CdP, what are the standouts? Beaucastel, Charvin, Pegau, Vieux Telegraphe are usually on my buy list. How did they do? Any others not to miss?
I heavily recommend Bois de Boursan (in France sold as Jean-Paul VERSINO, orange etiquette) ...
very traditional and structured, ageworthy (best after 16-258 years, the 1989 and 1990 are marvallous) ...
and should not break the bank ...
(not sure if the 2016 will be released before spring ... but don´t miss older vintages either)
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#15 Post by kristofstevens » December 29th, 2018, 5:34 am

I'm also looking forward for Bois de Boursan, one of the more consistent fine CDP's for me! And I like they are produced in a more elegant, almost burgundian style. I remember from a visit a long time ago Jean-Paul was also using some barriques from Bourgogne which resulted also in a finer wine. I don't know if that is still the case.

BTW I don't know if anyone here tasted Gradassi Chateauneuf but I received the 2017's from him some weeks ago. First time I ordered from this winemakes as La revue des vins de France is hyping him a lot. Tated a white Chateauneuf already (not my favourite appellation for whites!) and this was really good: lots of white fruit and flowers, some nutmeg, starts quite round in the mouth but finishes fine and balanced.

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#16 Post by David Glasser » December 29th, 2018, 6:21 am

Thanks, will add the Cayron Gigondas and Bois de Boursan to my list of usual suspects.

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#17 Post by Gerhard P. » December 29th, 2018, 7:32 am

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December 29th, 2018, 5:34 am
I'm also looking forward for Bois de Boursan, one of the more consistent fine CDP's for me! And I like they are produced in a more elegant, almost burgundian style. I remember from a visit a long time ago Jean-Paul was also using some barriques from Bourgogne which resulted also in a finer wine. I don't know if that is still the case.

BTW I don't know if anyone here tasted Gradassi Chateauneuf but I received the 2017's from him some weeks ago. First time I ordered from this winemakes as La revue des vins de France is hyping him a lot. Tated a white Chateauneuf already (not my favourite appellation for whites!) and this was really good: lots of white fruit and flowers, some nutmeg, starts quite round in the mouth but finishes fine and balanced.
Jean-Paul Versino uses Burgundy barrels only for his Cuvée Felix - and they are quite used, not only 2-3 years old.

I´ve tasted 2 vintages of Gradassi (2009 and 2010) and was not very impressed, they were good but nothing special imho ... and I know a lot of other CdPs I like definitely more ...
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#18 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 29th, 2018, 8:21 am

Anyone tried barroche signature?

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#19 Post by Gerhard P. » December 29th, 2018, 8:41 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 29th, 2018, 8:21 am
Anyone tried barroche signature?
Yes, outstanding, less jammy than the 2015, very balanced ...
(I´m not sure if it´s still called signature ... it´s the "regular" cuvée)
The made both the Fiancée and the Pure in 2016 ...
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#20 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 29th, 2018, 12:20 pm

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#21 Post by crickey » December 30th, 2018, 9:45 am

I recently purchased a little bit of Beaucastel and Pegau. Pegau is a regular in my cellar but this is my first Beaucastel since 2001.

I've only tried a few 2016 (mainly in stores). The one that stood out was Domaine des 3 Cellier Alchemie, a new producer to me. Exquisite raspberry with lots of energy and lift. Not the last word in complexity, but the fruit quality and overall balance made for a pleasurable wine.
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#22 Post by crickey » December 30th, 2018, 9:54 am

C. Keller wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 9:52 am

Went into a local wine store here recently with the idea I was going to treat myself to the Clos des Papes 16. They had the 2012 next to that for $50 less! and then to the left of the 2012 was the 16 Beacaustel and 16 Clos du Mont olivet le Cuvee du Papet both for half the 16 Clos des Papes. Hence, I went for the 16 beaucastel and clos Du Mont. 2 for 1 I couldn't pass up. And my young palate probably couldn't tell the difference.
Either your Clos des Papes was very expensive or your Cuvee du Papet was very cheap. I paid a bit more for the Clos des Papes than the Cuvee du Papet, but the difference wouldn't have made me pick one over the other at the low volumes I purchase.
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#23 Post by Jeff Leve » December 30th, 2018, 10:15 am

For me, having tasted close to 250 different Chateauneuf from 2016, it is the best, most complete and consistent vintage I have ever tasted. This is from top to bottom. You can read my notes if you like - https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/20 ... s-vintage/

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#24 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » December 30th, 2018, 11:11 am

I'd say that among solar years, both 01 and 10 vie with 16, but it will be a very good vintage. I have to say that I, more and more, find that years like 94, 99, 04 and 08 stand out as the most pleasurable to drink, certainly as compared to 98, 03 and 07. But I agree that 16, from the many fewer than 250 I have tasted, looks like a great year.

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#25 Post by Rich Stahmer » January 11th, 2019, 8:28 pm

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 11:11 am
I'd say that among solar years, both 01 and 10 vie with 16, but it will be a very good vintage. I have to say that I, more and more, find that years like 94, 99, 04 and 08 stand out as the most pleasurable to drink, certainly as compared to 98, 03 and 07. But I agree that 16, from the many fewer than 250 I have tasted, looks like a great year.
2004 has been my favorite CDP vintage for drinking over the last few years. I have almost zero experience with 2008. Would you say they are similar in style? I'm tempted to back fill here at lower prices before I pay up for 2016 and 2017
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#26 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » January 12th, 2019, 10:35 am

No 2 years are ever really alike. The 08s vary by producer more than the 04s. Producers who tried to treat that year as if it were 07 made wines not at all to my taste. But those who rolled with the vintage did nicely in a less ripe style. If less ripe and more minerally is what you like about the 04s, then I can tell you I have been enjoying Ferrand, Charvin and Pegau (though Pegau's importer thinks this a particularly weak vintage of Pegau).

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#27 Post by Rich Stahmer » January 13th, 2019, 8:22 pm

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
January 12th, 2019, 10:35 am
No 2 years are ever really alike. The 08s vary by producer more than the 04s. Producers who tried to treat that year as if it were 07 made wines not at all to my taste. But those who rolled with the vintage did nicely in a less ripe style. If less ripe and more minerally is what you like about the 04s, then I can tell you I have been enjoying Ferrand, Charvin and Pegau (though Pegau's importer thinks this a particularly weak vintage of Pegau).
thanks for the input. I may seek out some Charvin

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