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#1 Post by Martin Zwick » December 15th, 2018, 12:48 am

“For me, 2008 is a classic, cool-climate year; it was dry, but with a cool summer, which brought a lot of freshness, making it on line with 1996 and ‘88 in terms of climate,” he said, adding, “Except there is a bit more density in the 2008.”

When asked why he has kept this year’s Cristal for a longer period, he said, “Because it needed it… we saw the 2008 moving very slowly, whereas the 2009 moved more classically.

“It took time for the 2008 to calm down its acidity, it is a high-acid year, and you have to get this rounding of the acid, and only time can give that,” he said.

A further first for the 2008 Cristal concerns the dosage, which is the lowest ever added to the prestige cuvée. “We are less than 8g/l, which we have never done before,” he said, having brought this final addition of sugar down from 9-10g/l in recent history, and 12gl in the 80s."


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OMG…….what an ELEGANCE. In addition the 2008 Christal shows such a remarkable purity and minerality. No doubt, it´s all about elegance and not power. One of the best Cristal ever produced.

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#2 Post by Anton D » December 15th, 2018, 1:29 am

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#3 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 15th, 2018, 6:38 am

Atypically, 16% of the vins clairs went through malo for the 2008.
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#4 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 15th, 2018, 6:59 am

I have been holding these; maybe I'll try one sometime soon.

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#5 Post by Karl K » December 15th, 2018, 7:36 am

Tried the 09 again last night; it was not as rapturous as this description of the 08, which I have not tried.
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#6 Post by Jayson Cohen » December 15th, 2018, 8:02 am

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I have been holding these; maybe I'll try one sometime soon.
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#7 Post by alan weinberg » December 15th, 2018, 8:19 am

you’re not helping the price!

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#8 Post by Frank Z » December 15th, 2018, 9:09 am

If you’re in so cal, Costco has the 2008 for 219/bottle! Just call before you go to make sure they have it in stock, as I just picked up a few yesterday!
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#9 Post by William Segui » December 15th, 2018, 10:17 am

I am a fan of Cristal - love the 09, but the 08 is special as mentioned above. I'll be putting as many as I can away.

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#10 Post by David Glasser » December 15th, 2018, 10:21 am

I'm more of a Krug/Salon fan but it sounds like the 2008 Cristal is a must try.

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#11 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 15th, 2018, 11:38 am

How does the style compare against Dom Perignon, Comtes, and Krug?
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#12 Post by Martin Zwick » December 16th, 2018, 2:14 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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How does the style compare against Dom Perignon, Comtes, and Krug?

I would say that the vintage 2008, cool-climate vintage, makes all the difference.

Regarding the vintage 2008, you see it also with 2008 Grand Cru Rieslings in Germany......razor-sharp with huge acidity and such pure. Really great vintage and in general all cool-climate vintages in Germany are outstanding like 2010 and 2013 too.


I would say 2008 comes very close to Krug in this vintage.

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#13 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 16th, 2018, 4:46 am

I've never found Cristal to have the opulence that Krug and to a lesser degree DP have. I've typically found it a bit more elegant and acid driven, while still having plenty of fruit. Even in 09 which is a richer, warmer vintage, the 09 cristal isn't particularly opulent, while the 09 DP is much more fruit forward and generous. I would characterize 08 to be more like a better 04. I'm excited to see what the grand marques do in 12, which I think is an even better vintage.

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#14 Post by Martin Zwick » December 16th, 2018, 5:20 am

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I've never found Cristal to have the opulence that Krug and to a lesser degree DP have. I've typically found it a bit more elegant and acid driven, while still having plenty of fruit. Even in 09 which is a richer, warmer vintage, the 09 cristal isn't particularly opulent, while the 09 DP is much more fruit forward and generous. I would characterize 08 to be more like a better 04. I'm excited to see what the grand marques do in 12, which I think is an even better vintage.

Fair to say I am not an Krug expert, but I found Krug always remarkable elegant. Therefore I thought 08 Cristal is a bit similar.

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#15 Post by p@ulbortin » December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am

Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.

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#16 Post by alan weinberg » December 16th, 2018, 10:21 am

p@ulbortin wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am
Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.
no US availability on that 08 Comtes. and the one French location in world that has it costs about 70% best Cristal price.

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#17 Post by William Kelley » December 16th, 2018, 10:37 am

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December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am
Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.
You're not wrong. The 2008 Cristal is superb, but there are plenty of similarly exciting Champagnes out there.
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#18 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 16th, 2018, 11:04 am

William Kelley wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:37 am
p@ulbortin wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am
Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.
You're not wrong. The 2008 Cristal is superb, but there are plenty of similarly exciting Champagnes out there.
Veuve Cliquot doesn't seem to get a whole lot of respect around here but I'm excited about the 2008 Grande Dame made with an atypical 93% Pinot Noir.
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#19 Post by Jayson Cohen » December 16th, 2018, 11:06 am

William Kelley wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:37 am
p@ulbortin wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am
Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.
You're not wrong. The 2008 Cristal is superb, but there are plenty of similarly exciting Champagnes out there.
It’s true, but one can say that 99.9% of the time. There are always a lot of great options in the market. Putting the unfortunate price bump aside:

As I think I said elsewhere, I thought ‘08 Cristal was the star among dozens of the world’s best Champagnes at the Fête last month. And I went in expecting to be disappointed with it. I was also not alone in thinking it was the star. And generally Roederer and Vilmart that day were on another level for my palate.

I’m looking forward to ‘08 Comtes. We will see what happens to pricing.

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#20 Post by p@ulbortin » December 16th, 2018, 2:42 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 11:06 am
William Kelley wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:37 am
p@ulbortin wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am
Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.
You're not wrong. The 2008 Cristal is superb, but there are plenty of similarly exciting Champagnes out there.
It’s true, but one can say that 99.9% of the time. There are always a lot of great options in the market. Putting the unfortunate price bump aside:

As I think I said elsewhere, I thought ‘08 Cristal was the star among dozens of the world’s best Champagnes at the Fête last month. And I went in expecting to be disappointed with it. I was also not alone in thinking it was the star. And generally Roederer and Vilmart that day were on another level for my palate.

I’m looking forward to ‘08 Comtes. We will see what happens to pricing.
I might be sliding down the rabbit hole of personal taste but this Cristal seemed very generic compared to the individuallity of 08 DP, 02 Krug or 08 Vilmart especially since the 08 Cristal garnered huge scores from the critics. I’m going to open another bottle tomorrow from a different source.

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#21 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » December 16th, 2018, 6:10 pm

Will be interesting to see the quality of '08 CdC. There will be no '08 Dom Ruinart and more than one winemaker has told me that they were not thrilled with the Chardonnay quality in the vintage
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#22 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 16th, 2018, 7:11 pm

Shades of 2002 with not all of the Chardonnay being desirable.
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#23 Post by Mike Grammer » December 17th, 2018, 12:27 pm

I bought *one* of these as my 50th b-day present to myself a few months ago. I will keep it for a while. My note from July:

"2008 Roederer Cristal

Blake treated us to the brand-new release. Bouquet has mineral up the wazoo. Salinity is there as well for me, a lot yet to go in terms of aromatics. Hard to assess on palate, so piercingly young, but seems like it has all the components to be a very good version of Cristal. Much thanks for sharing."


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#24 Post by Blake Brown » December 18th, 2018, 11:22 am

I've opened 3 bottles so far, each time hoping this bottle would be more expressive and closer to the hype it has received and each time coming away thinking, I just need to be patient. No doubt, it has all of the stuffing, structure and acidity for its greatness, but I've yet to have one that was really open and giving of all of its treasures. At this stage, elegance is the hallmark IMHO, but there's so much more coming and the gods will be graciously bowing.
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#25 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 18th, 2018, 11:26 am

I just don’t think cristal is a wine that drinks well early, along with vintage krug. Some vintages of dp are decent early but none of these drink as well early as cdc imo. There are plenty of great growers that drink best early, the grand Marques are for the cellar.

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#26 Post by Martin Zwick » December 18th, 2018, 12:02 pm

Blake Brown wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:22 am
I've opened 3 bottles so far, each time hoping this bottle would be more expressive and closer to the hype it has received and each time coming away thinking, I just need to be patient. No doubt, it has all of the stuffing, structure and acidity for its greatness, but I've yet to have one that was really open and giving of all of its treasures. At this stage, elegance is the hallmark IMHO, but there's so much more coming and the gods will be graciously bowing.

May I recommend to use a ZALTO white wine or ZALTO Universal which we used for Cristal. This certainly helps.

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#27 Post by Jim Stewart » December 18th, 2018, 12:24 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:26 am
I just don’t think cristal is a wine that drinks well early, along with vintage krug. Some vintages of dp are decent early but none of these drink as well early as cdc imo. There are plenty of great growers that drink best early, the grand Marques are for the cellar.
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#28 Post by William Kelley » December 18th, 2018, 12:25 pm

Blake Brown wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:22 am
I've opened 3 bottles so far, each time hoping this bottle would be more expressive and closer to the hype it has received and each time coming away thinking, I just need to be patient. No doubt, it has all of the stuffing, structure and acidity for its greatness, but I've yet to have one that was really open and giving of all of its treasures. At this stage, elegance is the hallmark IMHO, but there's so much more coming and the gods will be graciously bowing.
At the end of the day, it is truly an excellent wine (and probably a touch ahead of the 2002 and 2004 renditions), and I think better than the similarly lauded 2008 Dom Pérignon, but it is also a large-production prestige cuvée wine with a huge amount of hype around it. I wouldn't turn down a glass, and will likely even buy some if I can source it below market, but I would rather drink top bottlings from Egly Ouriet, Philipponnat Clos des Goises, Ulysses Collin - or even, to be honest, a bottle of the case of 1980s Delamotte NV I bought a few months ago. In other words, I guess the only thing I disagree with the OP about is the "nectar of the gods" formula, which really seems disproportionate. But perhaps progress means that the nectar of the gods is available in every duty free store in every airport of the world?
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#29 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 18th, 2018, 12:37 pm

Jim Stewart wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:24 pm
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December 18th, 2018, 11:26 am
I just don’t think cristal is a wine that drinks well early, along with vintage krug. Some vintages of dp are decent early but none of these drink as well early as cdc imo. There are plenty of great growers that drink best early, the grand Marques are for the cellar.
When might you start thinking about opening your 2008 Cristal ? Thanks.
I don’t think it’d hurt to try one in a year or so just to check on potential but I won’t open one since 2023 at the very earliest. If you have cases of it, then by all means, but I just don’t think it’d be very good, and certainly won’t drink to its potential.

The 09 is a much earlier drinking vintage, imo, and will probably shine starting in as soon as a year or so from now, although would be best in 5+.

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#30 Post by Jim Stewart » December 18th, 2018, 12:53 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:37 pm
Jim Stewart wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:24 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:26 am
I just don’t think cristal is a wine that drinks well early, along with vintage krug. Some vintages of dp are decent early but none of these drink as well early as cdc imo. There are plenty of great growers that drink best early, the grand Marques are for the cellar.
When might you start thinking about opening your 2008 Cristal ? Thanks.
I don’t think it’d hurt to try one in a year or so just to check on potential but I won’t open one since 2023 at the very earliest. If you have cases of it, then by all means, but I just don’t think it’d be very good, and certainly won’t drink to its potential.

The 09 is a much earlier drinking vintage, imo, and will probably shine starting in as soon as a year or so from now, although would be best in 5+.
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#31 Post by Mike Hawkins » December 18th, 2018, 12:53 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 6:10 pm
Will be interesting to see the quality of '08 CdC. There will be no '08 Dom Ruinart and more than one winemaker has told me that they were not thrilled with the Chardonnay quality in the vintage
I tried it with Pierre Emmanuel two years ago... best young Comtes I’ve ever had. At this stage it will be released in 12-15 months

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#32 Post by Jay Miller » December 18th, 2018, 1:00 pm

Mike Hawkins wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:53 pm
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December 16th, 2018, 6:10 pm
Will be interesting to see the quality of '08 CdC. There will be no '08 Dom Ruinart and more than one winemaker has told me that they were not thrilled with the Chardonnay quality in the vintage
I tried it with Pierre Emmanuel two years ago... best young Comtes I’ve ever had. At this stage it will be released in 12-15 months
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#33 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 18th, 2018, 2:03 pm

I think it’d drink pretty well by 2025. My rule of thumb for cristal is that it starts the upward trajectory towards prime by 15 years from vintage and starts to plateau at ~20. They stay in the zone for a good while, better than many of its grand marque competitors, imo.
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When might you start thinking about opening your 2008 Cristal ? Thanks.
I don’t think it’d hurt to try one in a year or so just to check on potential but I won’t open one since 2023 at the very earliest. If you have cases of it, then by all means, but I just don’t think it’d be very good, and certainly won’t drink to its potential.

The 09 is a much earlier drinking vintage, imo, and will probably shine starting in as soon as a year or so from now, although would be best in 5+.
Ha! You've got the wrong dude !!!!
I'm targeting our one bottle for 2025 which is a 50th anniversary and 75th birthday year. Exploring other champagnes that are more "approachable" (in more ways than one)
But seriously thanks.

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#34 Post by Blair Curtis » December 19th, 2018, 5:43 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 11:04 am
William Kelley wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:37 am
p@ulbortin wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 10:07 am
Opened last night. This is potentially a great wine but imho you can get a similar experience with 2004 and probably the 2008 Comtes for almost half the cost.
You're not wrong. The 2008 Cristal is superb, but there are plenty of similarly exciting Champagnes out there.
Veuve Cliquot doesn't seem to get a whole lot of respect around here but I'm excited about the 2008 Grande Dame made with an atypical 93% Pinot Noir.
And WTSO was selling the 2008 GD in November for $109.99 with free shipping. Nice.

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#35 Post by Blake Brown » December 19th, 2018, 6:42 pm

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December 16th, 2018, 10:37 am


You're not wrong. The 2008 Cristal is superb, but there are plenty of similarly exciting Champagnes out there.
Veuve Cliquot doesn't seem to get a whole lot of respect around here but I'm excited about the 2008 Grande Dame made with an atypical 93% Pinot Noir.
And WTSO was selling the 2008 GD in November for $109.99 with free shipping. Nice.

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#36 Post by Michael S. Monie » December 19th, 2018, 6:53 pm

2008 is the first vintage for the new Chef de Cave. I've had the 2008 LGD Rose and was very impressed. I hope to be so with the Brut also.
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#37 Post by Bruce Rudman » December 22nd, 2018, 3:36 am

My local Costco last night had a ton of Cristal at $219, but it all seemed to be 2009. They had 2006 and 2008 LGD, and I got one of each. Also had one I've never heard about - Piper Heidsieck 2002 "Rare" for around $135.
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#38 Post by Blake Brown » December 22nd, 2018, 7:58 am

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My local Costco last night had a ton of Cristal at $219, but it all seemed to be 2009. They had 2006 and 2008 LGD, and I got one of each. Also had one I've never heard about - Piper Heidsieck 2002 "Rare" for around $135.
FYI, here's my notes on the 02` tasted in late August:

2002 PIPER-HEIDSIECK RARE MILLESIME BRUT- 70% Chardonnay, 30% Pinot Noir with just under 10 grams of dosage and vinified in stainless steel tanks with full ML; this was a lovely bubbly with toasty brioche and ginger accents to the ripe stone and tropical fruit notes delivered in a creamy texture; it was rich and full bodied and had vibrant acidity; it seemed to expand on the palate and finished on a high note.
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Re: 2008 Cristal - nectar of the gods

#39 Post by Bruce Rudman » December 22nd, 2018, 8:01 am

Thanks Blake!
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Re: 2008 Cristal - nectar of the gods

#40 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 22nd, 2018, 10:27 am

I’m fond of the extra brut extra old from vc; I had the 06 gd last year and was underwhelmed to sah the least.

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