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Your personal Top10 Bordeaux Left bank

#1 Post by Stas Medvedev » December 12th, 2018, 3:54 am

Dear all,

What is your personal favourite Top10 Bordeaux Left bank in the descending order?

I would very much appreciate for all your answers. [cheers.gif]
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#2 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 12th, 2018, 4:09 am

Favorites of all time or more recent purchase? I ask, as Gruard Larose, Talbot and Meyney from the 1980s would be on my list, but they might not be if we are talking wines post-2000.

I will start with my top in any of the categories, leaving aside the First Growths given the cost:

Montrose

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#3 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » December 12th, 2018, 4:23 am

In no particular order: Haut Bailly, Gruaud Larose, Pichon Lalande, Palmer, Montrose, Issan, Haut Brion, DdeC Blanc, Sociando, Rauzan Segla
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#4 Post by Jürgen Steinke » December 12th, 2018, 4:23 am

No ranking

Pichon Baron
Lynch Bages
Grand Puy Lacoste
Batailley
Gruaud Larose
Gloria
Montrose
Phelan Segur
Poujeaux
Domaine de Chevalier
Haut Bailly
de Fieuzal and many more

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#5 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 12th, 2018, 4:32 am

I've loved Domaine de Chevalier and Haut Bailly in the past but wonder whether they have become too glossy for their own good. GPL, Leo Barton, Ducru Beaucaillou, and Montrose are a good start
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#6 Post by Julian Marshall » December 12th, 2018, 4:56 am

In no particular order, these are the ones I always come back to:

Léoville Barton
Gruaud Larose
Lagrange
Domaine de Chevalier
Giscours
Grand Puy Lacoste
Pichon Comtesse
Prieuré-Lichine
Batailley
Brane Cantenac

But also Poujeaux, Chasse-Spleen, Armailhac, Cantemerle, HBL and countless others.

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#7 Post by Subu Ramachandran » December 12th, 2018, 5:00 am

In no Particular order

Domaine de Chevalier
Montrose
Lynch Bages
Palmer
Pichon Lalande
Haut Bailly
Rauzan Segla
Leoville Las cases
Brane Cantenac

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#8 Post by Chris Foley » December 12th, 2018, 5:02 am

These are not in order of preference, but in order of quantity currently in my cellar:
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Château Talbot 30
Château Lilian Ladouys 24
Château Marsac Séguineau 23
Château Lanessan 20
Château Sénéjac 17
Château La Cardonne 16
Domaine de Chevalier 14
Château Cantemerle 13
Château Cantenac Brown 13
Château Meyney 13
Château Siran 11
Château Rauzan-Ségla 11
Château du Retout 10
La Dame de Montrose 10
Château Fourcas Dupré 9
Château Léoville Poyferré 9
La Croix Ducru-Beaucaillou 9
Château Lalande 9
Château Labégorce 8
Château Branaire-Ducru 8
Château Brane-Cantenac 7
Château Calon-Ségur 7
Château Giscours 7
Château Potensac 7
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#9 Post by Stas Medvedev » December 12th, 2018, 5:19 am

Thank you to all who shared their top lists. I am wondering why not giving those some order and prioritization?
There is price and label pressure, of course. We might tend buying/drinking more often those we can afford or we believe deliver more on a buck spent.
But if try to forget about the price for a moment and trust your own experience.

Based on your experience, Chateau A is more consistent to your taste than Chateau B. You prefer A over B. What would your list look like?

My top10:
(I haven't tasted Haut Brion)

1. Latour
2. Lafite
3. Margaux
4. Las Cases
5. Mouton
6. Pichon Baron
7. Palmer
8. Montrose
9. Barton
10. Comtesse/Cos d'Estournel
11. Lynch-Bages/Pontet-Canet
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#10 Post by Jim F » December 12th, 2018, 7:02 am

Well, the greatest left bank wines I ever had were firsts, e.g., 1982 Latour, 1989 Haut Brion, but these wines are for the most part not afgordable for me and excluded here. I won’t name 10, but the ones I typically look for, and enjoy, more or less in order are:

Montrose (Alfert was correct)
Lynch Bages
Leoville Barton
Pichon Baron
Pichon Lalande
Branaire Ducru
GPL
And in years such as 2014 where it seems affordable, Ducru.

FWIW, in Pessac I kind of move around between labes, such as Chevalier, Haut Bailly, Malartic Lagraviere. Never really settled into any kind of favorite Margaux wine, but the 2015 Brane Cantenac is stunning esp. for the price.
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#11 Post by K John Joseph » December 12th, 2018, 8:45 am

Leaving aside first growths

Cos d'Estournel
Leoville Barton
Montrose
Pichon Lalande
Leoville Las Cases
Brainaire Ducru in good vintages
Rauzan Segla in good vintages
Pontet Canet
Grand Puy Lacoste
Lynch Bages

Those are probably my favorite 10. I've not had much Ducru. Pichon Baron is close, depending on vintage.
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#12 Post by David Glasser » December 12th, 2018, 9:08 am

All-time over many vintages

Haut Brion
Margaux
Gruaud Larose
Palmer
Lynch Bages
Talbot
Montrose
Pichon Baron
Pichon Lalande
Léoville Barton

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#13 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 12th, 2018, 10:10 am

Obviously, can only go off what I've tasted. I am omitting some I've had only once that would absolutely make my list if they're always that good (Haut-Brion; La Mission; Mouton; Margaux).

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#14 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 12th, 2018, 10:39 am

Ok, I'll go with my favorites these past 20 years (leaving our First Growths as very few of us - not me - can really afford to drink them):

Montrose
Leoville Barton
Sociando Mallett - I own more of this from more vintages than anything else. Best QPR in the market. Load up on 2014.
Pichon Baron
Lynch Bages
Pichon Lalande
Haut Bailly
Grand Puy Lacoste
d/Armailhac
Lanessan - The value play. Tip: load up on 2014 (excellent, plus the wine style appears to be changing after that)
Les Carmes Haut Brion (had to add an 11th! Style also changing 2014 moving forward, so grab up 2010, 2005, 2000)

Some folks may think I'm nuts putting Sociando top 3. Does than mean I think it is qualitatively better than the rest on that list? No. But I love the style, its distinct profile, ability to age, remarkable consistency across vintages, and of course, the price.

If the list was all Bordeaux, Vieux Chateau Certan would be 2 or 3, and Figeac and Conseillante pre-2015 vintages, would be in the top 10.

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#15 Post by Jayson Cohen » December 12th, 2018, 10:56 am

Historically and in no particular order:

Haut Brion
Latour
Ducru
Domaine de Chevalier
Pape Clement
Montrose
Calon Segur
Leoville Poyferre
La Mission Haut Brion
Pichon Lalande

* bumped Leoville-Barton when I realized I had forgotten LMHB
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#16 Post by T. Altmayer » December 12th, 2018, 10:58 am

No order.

Lynch Bages
Leoville Barton
Pichon Baron
Pichon Lalande
Cos d'Estournel
Ducru-Beaucaillou
Malescot St. Exupéry
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#17 Post by Marcus Dean » December 12th, 2018, 11:27 am

10 different vintages of Lafite would fill my top 10,
although I have had some blinding Pichons (his and hers) and some lovely lynch Bages, and of course some sublime Margaux, Palmer etc etc.
But for me Lafite is without peer on the left bank

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#18 Post by rick m » December 12th, 2018, 11:42 am

Haut Brion
Margaux
Lynch Bages
LLC
Pichon Baron
Mouton
Pichon Lalande
Montrose
Latour
Palmer
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#19 Post by Oliver V » December 12th, 2018, 12:50 pm

These are the ones that spring to mind:

1) margaux
2) latour
3) mouton
4) pichon baron
5) ducru beaucaillou
6) giscours
7) durfort vivens
8) calon segur
9) rauzan gassies
10) dauzac
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#20 Post by Paul Jaouen » December 12th, 2018, 12:54 pm

1. Margaux
2. Latour
3. Haut Brion
4. Pichon Lalande
5. La Conseillante
6. Pichon Baron

After that it's too close to call.
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#21 Post by Dale Williams » December 12th, 2018, 1:10 pm

Paul Jaouen wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 12:54 pm
1. Margaux
2. Latour
3. Haut Brion
4. Pichon Lalande
5. La Conseillante
6. Pichon Baron

After that it's too close to call.
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#22 Post by Dale Williams » December 12th, 2018, 1:12 pm

Haut Brion
DDC
Pichon Lalande
Latour
Ducru
Pape Clement
Montrose
Calon Segur
Leoville Poyferre
Gruaud

That's primarily based on 1961-2000 vintages, I haven't tasted much post 2005

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#23 Post by Greg K » December 12th, 2018, 1:30 pm

No order:

1. Gruaud Larose
2. Ducru
3. Leoville Barton
4. Pichon Baron
5. Pichon Lalande
6. Pontet Canet
7. Calon Segur
8. Haut Brion

After that, a bunch of things I like but don't necessary love. That also generally matches what's in my cellar, other than the Haut Brion, which ranking is based on the bottles I've had (which have all been great, particularly a 1982).
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#24 Post by brodie thomson » December 12th, 2018, 1:52 pm

Based purely on bottles in the cellar.

1. Leoville Barton
2. Calon Segur
3. Pontet Canet
4. Leoville Poyferre
5. Haut Bailly
6. Grand Puy Lacoste
7. Latour
8. Montrose
9. Lafite
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#25 Post by Rauno E (NZ) » December 12th, 2018, 3:05 pm

Haut Brion
Margaux
Latour
Mouton
Lafite
Palmer
Leoville Lascases
Montrose
Pichon Lalande
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#26 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 12th, 2018, 3:28 pm

Would love to see everyone's list without First Growths. I mean really, there is a reason they are and remain, Firsts! I love them, have some, pop some occasionally, but I am not buying or drinking any of them with any regularity. Cost prohibitive except for the rich.

If I had to rank the Firsts, I'm not sure that I could, except Margaux would be my last of the 5. My favorite Firsts ever are the 1982 Mouton and the 1989 Haut Brion. Somewhat obvious choices, but exceptional wines.

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#27 Post by Mark Golodetz » December 12th, 2018, 3:51 pm

In order
Ducru
Palmer
Montrose
Pichon Lalande

Big gap

Pichon Baron
Leoville Las Cases

Another gap

Beychevelle
Gruaud Larose
D’Issan
Giscours
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#28 Post by Mark Y » December 12th, 2018, 9:22 pm

Ducru
Montrose
Pichon Lalande
LLC
Cos Estournel
Mission Haut Brion
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The first Gs
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#29 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » December 13th, 2018, 2:35 am

Excluding FGs

Pichon Lalande
LLC
Montrose
Palmer
Cos
Pichon baron
Ducru
Haut Bailly
Pontet canet
Lynch bages

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#30 Post by Carlos Delpin » December 13th, 2018, 3:27 am

Please open some of these wonderful wines this week and help us raise money for charity.

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My top 10.

Gruaud Larose
Lynch Bages
Cos
Talbot
Pichon Lalande
Phelan Segur
Margaux
Montrose
Pichon Baron
Mouton

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#31 Post by Karl K » December 13th, 2018, 4:17 am

Interesting to me that DB is not in every list, especially the ones omitting Firsts.
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#32 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 13th, 2018, 4:34 am

Carlos Delpin wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 3:27 am
Please open some of these wonderful wines this week and help us raise money for charity.

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My top 10.

Gruaud Larose
Lynch Bages
Cos
Talbot
Pichon Lalande
Phelan Segur
Margaux
Montrose
Pichon Baron
Mouton
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#33 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » December 13th, 2018, 4:41 am

Karl K wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:17 am
Interesting to me that DB is not in every list, especially the ones omitting Firsts.
I had been debating a list, and ultimately decided it made no sense to do one, as the strictures of the OP do not align with how I drink Bordeaux.

As for DucruB, I don't drink enough of it to have it land on my personal list (which would be led by Leoville Barton or Pichon Baron if I were to actually do one).
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#34 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 13th, 2018, 4:48 am

Karl K wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:17 am
Interesting to me that DB is not in every list, especially the ones omitting Firsts.
Why?

It's extremely expensive. And for those of us drinking the 1980s and 1990 vintage, perhaps we are tainted by the taint. I cannot believe how many 1986s that I have poured out.

The only vintage of DB that I own is 2010, and that's only because a local retailer had them at clearance price at half retail. Figured, "what the hell".

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#35 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 13th, 2018, 5:06 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:34 am
Carlos Delpin wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 3:27 am
Please open some of these wonderful wines this week and help us raise money for charity.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=156528

My top 10.

Gruaud Larose
Lynch Bages
Cos
Talbot
Pichon Lalande
Phelan Segur
Margaux
Montrose
Pichon Baron
Mouton
That's the plan, Carlos
Whatcha gonna pop, counselor?

I'm having dinner with one of my best friends on Saturday, also a local judge, who started with me at my current firm back in 1992. We bonded, started a wine group, and are all still very good friends. I'm gonna go big, but not sure exactly what yet. He's got a wonderful, classic Bordeaux palate. A true connoseur.

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#36 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 13th, 2018, 5:15 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 5:06 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:34 am
Carlos Delpin wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 3:27 am
Please open some of these wonderful wines this week and help us raise money for charity.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=156528

My top 10.

Gruaud Larose
Lynch Bages
Cos
Talbot
Pichon Lalande
Phelan Segur
Margaux
Montrose
Pichon Baron
Mouton
That's the plan, Carlos
Whatcha gonna pop, counselor?

I'm having dinner with one of my best friends on Saturday, also a local judge, who started with me at my current firm back in 1992. We bonded, started a wine group, and are all still very good friends. I'm gonna go big, but not sure exactly what yet. He's got a wonderful, classic Bordeaux palate. A true connoseur.
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#37 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 13th, 2018, 5:16 am

Back then Cordier used some funky shaped bottles. Meyney from the 60s used them. Is this one of them? They are cool.

Hmm, perhaps we pop the 1973 Latour.

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#38 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 13th, 2018, 5:44 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 5:16 am
Back then Cordier used some funky shaped bottles. Meyney from the 60s used them. Is this one of them? They are cool.

Hmm, perhaps we pop the 1973 Latour.
Yes. Looks almost port-like. Not my bottle (which is ridiculously clean) but this is the shape

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#39 Post by Laurent Gibet » December 13th, 2018, 5:45 am

19,5/20
Latour 1988
Haut-Brion 1989

19/20
Margaux 1990
Margaux Château Margaux 2000
St-Julien Léoville-Las-Cases 1990
Margaux Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre 1947
Latour 2009
Margaux Palmer 1990
Margaux Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre 1961

18,5/19
Mission Haut Brion 1989
Mission-Haut-Brion 1990
Margaux Château Margaux 1996
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#40 Post by Mark Golodetz » December 13th, 2018, 5:48 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:48 am
Karl K wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:17 am
Interesting to me that DB is not in every list, especially the ones omitting Firsts.
Why?

It's extremely expensive. And for those of us drinking the 1980s and 1990 vintage, perhaps we are tainted by the taint. I cannot believe how many 1986s that I have poured out.

The only vintage of DB that I own is 2010, and that's only because a local retailer had them at clearance price at half retail. Figured, "what the hell".
I would buy Ducru over Mouton and Margaux most years, and over Lafite half the time. From the early 1990s it has been excellent, and since 2005, the most consistent of the super seconds. Basically first growth quality quality at 30% of the price, so for me, a bargain
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#41 Post by Dale Williams » December 13th, 2018, 6:56 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 5:16 am
Back then Cordier used some funky shaped bottles. Meyney from the 60s used them. Is this one of them? They are cool.
Pretty sure those Cordier bottles were used (by Gruaud, Talbot, Meyney) from 1960 till '77 or '78, I had 59 Talbot in regular bottle, and 79 Gruaud. My '62 & 75s in Cordier bottle.

I can't believe I left off Palmer

I excluded the late 80s taint years to include Ducru, there is great dirt there

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#42 Post by Howard Cooper » December 13th, 2018, 8:18 am

Leoville las Cases
Ducru Beaucaillou
Clemens
Montrose
Palmer
Domaine de Chevalier
Pichon Lalande
Leoville Barton
Rausan Segla
La Mission Haut Brion

Left out first growths (should I have left out Mission Haut Brion on this basis?). If not, certainly Haut Brion and Yquem would be on the list.

Don’t drink that much young Bordeaux anymore so a lot of this is based on mature bottles.
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#43 Post by Howard Cooper » December 13th, 2018, 8:20 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:48 am
Karl K wrote:
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Interesting to me that DB is not in every list, especially the ones omitting Firsts.
Why?

It's extremely expensive. And for those of us drinking the 1980s and 1990 vintage, perhaps we are tainted by the taint. I cannot believe how many 1986s that I have poured out.

The only vintage of DB that I own is 2010, and that's only because a local retailer had them at clearance price at half retail. Figured, "what the hell".
Surprised you did not buy 2014 futures. They were relatively reasonably priced and this is your vintage. Also, 2001 was available at a relatively reasonable price a few years ago.
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#44 Post by lleichtman » December 13th, 2018, 8:27 am

I'm out of this poll as I like right bank.
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#45 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 13th, 2018, 8:30 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 8:20 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:48 am
Karl K wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 4:17 am
Interesting to me that DB is not in every list, especially the ones omitting Firsts.
Why?

It's extremely expensive. And for those of us drinking the 1980s and 1990 vintage, perhaps we are tainted by the taint. I cannot believe how many 1986s that I have poured out.

The only vintage of DB that I own is 2010, and that's only because a local retailer had them at clearance price at half retail. Figured, "what the hell".
Surprised you did not buy 2014 futures. They were relatively reasonably priced and this is your vintage. Also, 2001 was available at a relatively reasonable price a few years ago.
I bought a lot of 2014 futures, though. At the same or similar price-point, I would rather own Montrose and Lalande. Conseillante and Figeac were priced similarly as well.

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#46 Post by Howard Cooper » December 13th, 2018, 9:17 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 8:30 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 8:20 am
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December 13th, 2018, 4:48 am


Why?

It's extremely expensive. And for those of us drinking the 1980s and 1990 vintage, perhaps we are tainted by the taint. I cannot believe how many 1986s that I have poured out.

The only vintage of DB that I own is 2010, and that's only because a local retailer had them at clearance price at half retail. Figured, "what the hell".
Surprised you did not buy 2014 futures. They were relatively reasonably priced and this is your vintage. Also, 2001 was available at a relatively reasonable price a few years ago.
I bought a lot of 2014 futures, though. At the same or similar price-point, I would rather own Montrose and Lalande. Conseillante and Figeac were priced similarly as well.
I have a little Ducru and Montrose. My preference is Ducru over any of the four you named.
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#47 Post by Howard Cooper » December 13th, 2018, 9:19 am

For me, the steal in 2014 was 1/2s of Climens
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#48 Post by Craig G » December 13th, 2018, 9:24 am

Dale Williams wrote:
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 5:16 am
Back then Cordier used some funky shaped bottles. Meyney from the 60s used them. Is this one of them? They are cool.
Pretty sure those Cordier bottles were used (by Gruaud, Talbot, Meyney) from 1960 till '77 or '78, I had 59 Talbot in regular bottle, and 79 Gruaud. My '62 & 75s in Cordier bottle.
I have a ‘78 Meyney in the old style bottle. I’m planning a six bottle/six decade Meyney dinner for next month: 62, 78, 86, 90, 01, 14.
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#49 Post by Arv R » December 13th, 2018, 9:37 pm

Carmes Haut Brion
La Tour Haut Brion
Cos d'Estournel
Pichon Lalande
Ducru
Talbot
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#50 Post by Brian Thorne » December 15th, 2018, 4:31 pm

Excluding the first growths, my top 10:

Grand Puy Lacoste
Pichon Lalande
Lynch Bages
Leoville Las Cases
Pontet Canet
Montrose
La Mission Haut Brion
Ducru
Palmer
Gruaud Larose (82 and 86 are personal favorites)

For the firsts, my preference is Haut Brion, Margaux, Mouton, Lafite, Latour

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