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#51 Post by Mike Francisco » December 11th, 2018, 3:30 pm

I lost track of the numbers so let's go with [wow.gif]

13) The Shill: hypes wine after wine from the same one or two wineries like they're the best thing sense pants with pockets. "Are you sitting down? Well you should be because this the best wine I have ever tasted. This wine proves that God does exist!"

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#52 Post by JAKE H A N C O C K » December 11th, 2018, 5:37 pm

Wine Pimp is it’s own genus with a multitude of different species.

Love the humble brag guy and the religious soliloquy guy

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#53 Post by Brian Tuite » December 11th, 2018, 6:19 pm

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The Stalker - Friends you on CT, then on Delectable, then on Facebook... Comments on all your notes.
Isn't this what social media is all about!? newhere

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#54 Post by NoahR » December 11th, 2018, 6:55 pm

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The critic critic: "I can see why [insert name of critic] gave this a 96, but for me it's really more of a 95"
Nicely done. I have done this on Delectable.
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#55 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » December 11th, 2018, 7:02 pm

The Shaymus...

Of the 2012 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon 40th Anniversary, JMDIDDAY wrote “Chocolate and blueberries” then scored it 98 points.

Maybe there just wasn’t enough chocolate for those last two points.

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#56 Post by Sebastian C. » December 12th, 2018, 3:22 pm

rsmithjr wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 7:21 am
CT Archetypes- The guy who is tired of all the pencil heads on WB who blow up our tasting notes and derides everyone on CT.

Seriously, this thread shows that SOME of you take yourselves way to seriously. Wine drinking is supposed to be fun.

CT is a guide, just as Winespectator or RP are,,,,,
I dont think you understand the thread. I would guess at least half of this forum posts notes on CT. Some are probably making light fun of themselves. You do get that this thread is not poking fun at CT forum right?
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#57 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » December 12th, 2018, 3:45 pm

rsmithjr wrote:
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Oh I get it. People who leave a score, no tasting note. It's just that I see more elitism on this website.
Put as all on ignore, problem solved.

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#58 Post by Larry Link » December 12th, 2018, 4:24 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 2:06 pm

Humble Brag Guy. "2000 Haut Brion. Went all in for four cases en primeur, so I figured a Tuesday night was a good time to crack open one of the OWCs and see how the wines are progressing at this point."
And his sibling, "The Gloater":

"Drinking fantastic right now, wine of the year for me, glad I have 2 cases left"

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#59 Post by Marcus Dean » December 12th, 2018, 4:55 pm

Larry Link wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 4:24 pm
Chris Seiber wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 2:06 pm

Humble Brag Guy. "2000 Haut Brion. Went all in for four cases en primeur, so I figured a Tuesday night was a good time to crack open one of the OWCs and see how the wines are progressing at this point."
And his sibling, "The Gloater":

"Drinking fantastic right now, wine of the year for me, glad I have 2 cases left"
I resemble your remarks blush

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#60 Post by Markus S » December 13th, 2018, 6:29 am

The Duplicitor : one who sprinkles made up scores on various web wine fora in the name of "fun" but who religiously posts their accurate score on CT.
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#61 Post by rsmithjr » December 13th, 2018, 1:06 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 3:45 pm
rsmithjr wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 7:39 am
Oh I get it. People who leave a score, no tasting note. It's just that I see more elitism on this website.
Put as all on ignore, problem solved.
Believe me, I do. Thats why my post count is so low.....
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#62 Post by rsmithjr » December 13th, 2018, 1:10 pm

Sebastian C. wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 3:22 pm
rsmithjr wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 7:21 am
CT Archetypes- The guy who is tired of all the pencil heads on WB who blow up our tasting notes and derides everyone on CT.

Seriously, this thread shows that SOME of you take yourselves way to seriously. Wine drinking is supposed to be fun.

CT is a guide, just as Winespectator or RP are,,,,,
I dont think you understand the thread. I would guess at least half of this forum posts notes on CT. Some are probably making light fun of themselves. You do get that this thread is not poking fun at CT forum right?
Well actually it is... And as I stated I get it. I agree with the tongue in cheek remarks too. People that leave scores, no notes. If somebody wants to leave a score, great. I actually chuckled at a few of the described archetypes. They are unerringly on point. My comment was meant to draw out some of the pencil heads..... hmmmm,,, seemed to have worked.
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#63 Post by John Glas » December 13th, 2018, 1:50 pm

The Shaymus...

Of the 2012 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon 40th Anniversary, JMDIDDAY wrote “Chocolate and blueberries” then scored it 98 points.

Maybe there just wasn’t enough chocolate for those last two points.
That is why I like the ignore author feature. That wine is terrible!

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#64 Post by Jason T » December 14th, 2018, 12:15 am

Yea ignore author is a great feature
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#65 Post by David Glasser » December 14th, 2018, 4:42 am

Ignore author on CT = Block this user?
Does that remove their scores from the Community Score calculation?
Would be cool to be able to see a Friends and Fans mean and median score.

The CT Forum has its own thread celebrating odd, outrageous and annoying CT TNs:
https://www.cellartracker.com/forum/tm.asp?m=23529

Clear evidence on there of another archetype:
The Curmudgeon - not satisfied with anyone else’s TNs or scores but his own.

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#66 Post by Howard Cooper » December 14th, 2018, 4:51 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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I think that's fair if you know your preferences well enough. I'm still in a phase of learning where I value any decent information I can get about a wine before I try it. Here's an example - 2002 La Conseillante. There's a bottle on Winebid for $60. I think to myself, "that's a producer I'm eager to try, and with 16 years of age, not a bad price". I've had one or two right banks from the year which showed fine, so why not? But then I quickly check CT and notice that 20 ratings gave the wine an 88.7. Far below any other vintage in the last 25 years. I look at the notes (about half the scores have them) and find a consistent message of a lean, green wine that lacks complexity. The scores cluster around 87-90 with very few outliers. This information makes it an easy pass because I think $60 should be able to garner a wine that I'm likely to enjoy. For comparison's sake, I searched 2002 La Conseillante on WB and found crickets. I don't want to dig through a long thread that is generally about 2002 BDX given the alternative.

And it's a bit different than the Billboard analogy for a few reasons, namely that the ratings are input by individual users that have both the means and interest to do so, thus making up a <very> small proportion of the wine drinking populous. The data source is not remotely like what Bruno Mars song gets the most play by syndicated radio networks.
By all means, use the tool if you find it helpful but I would post a thread here asking for experience with the wine if it were me. I'd also take a chance on a $60 bottle of Conseillante pretty much without further inquiry. The fact that someone on CT got a touch of green or thought it "meager" might mean a lot if I knew who the taster was, but if he or she (or they) were huge CA syrah/Napa cab drinkers I wouldn't give it a second thought.

I don't use yelp and don't rely on crowd sourced reviews on rotten tomatoes so it isn't a surprise that I don't find a lot of enlightenment in the scores on CT.
I also tend not to give that much weight to CellarTracker reviews. I have gone through too many threads where half the posters think a wine is over the hill and the other half thinks it is too young. Most wines seem to have a rating between 88 and 92. For me, the ratings are of limited use, excect posts where I know who the author is.
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#67 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » December 14th, 2018, 9:30 am

THE GRINCH: Only writes tasting notes on really bad bottles, just to share the misery with you
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#68 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » December 14th, 2018, 9:31 am

TWO-BUCK CHUCK: Only reviews wines that cost less than $7/bottle
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#69 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » December 14th, 2018, 9:40 am

THE POET: Likes to use the descriptor "cellar dust", even though it is meaningless because we all have EuroCaves
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#70 Post by John Glas » December 14th, 2018, 4:06 pm

The 90 pointer:

2016 Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio (Italy, Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino, Valdadige)
12/14/2018
xxxxxxxxxx
91

2008 Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio (Italy, Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino, Valdadige)
12/5/2010
xxxxxxxxxxx
91

I did find the occasional 89 but 90% of the wines tasted are 90 or higher. This wine might be the best marketed wine in the world!

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#71 Post by C Simmons » December 17th, 2018, 4:22 pm

These are ALL so true and all so great!

Especially that Panther/Aesop archetype.... That CSIMM1161 sounds like he sleeps on his mom’s couch in an Aquaman onesie and treats CT like it’s Grindr...

...Besides, who would want to connect tasting wine to some sort of emotional response filled with adjectives and analogies anyway. Better to be strictly professional and mathematical here. Glory be the day where CT only accepts notes that are strictly regulated with purely Master Somm descriptors that fall square within a dystopic Orwell-esque constitution. This wine thing is serious business friends. No place for skullduggery or tomfoolery. I make sure I only follow professional postings in these sorts of critical matters. [tease.gif]

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#72 Post by Kirk.Grant » December 17th, 2018, 4:48 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 4:55 pm
Larry Link wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 4:24 pm
Chris Seiber wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 2:06 pm

Humble Brag Guy. "2000 Haut Brion. Went all in for four cases en primeur, so I figured a Tuesday night was a good time to crack open one of the OWCs and see how the wines are progressing at this point."
And his sibling, "The Gloater":

"Drinking fantastic right now, wine of the year for me, glad I have 2 cases left"
I resemble your remarks blush
You’re not alone...I know I fill some of these shoes...I’m just trying to enjoy the humor of it all. 😏
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#73 Post by J.Vizuete » December 17th, 2018, 5:43 pm

J.Vizuete wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 7:16 am

Finally some of those notes with personality (looking at you CSIMM1161) have caused me to buy bottles I wouldn't have otherwise sought out. Just picturing <insert old female celebrity here> in <some sort of heeled shoe> toting a <military grade weapon of choice> opening an erect bottle of <insert mike smith wine here> has led me click "PLACE ORDER NOW!!" with palms a-sweating. I have yet to be disappointed.
All with a smile as you can clearly see - and you’re by no means the only one with colorful TNs ;) Also, pls send link to Aquaman onesie when you get a sec..
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#74 Post by C Simmons » December 18th, 2018, 10:15 am

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Yes...That's Cabernet in my cup....

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#75 Post by Frank Murray III » December 18th, 2018, 10:55 am

C Simm, I do enjoy your notes in CT. They hit my feed regularly as we drink similar in New World things. The Rivers-Marie chard TNs you have written made me pause a # of times as I opened those bottles during the past several weeks. Keep it up, appreciate it.
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#76 Post by Subu Ramachandran » December 18th, 2018, 11:17 am

John Glas wrote:
December 14th, 2018, 4:06 pm
The 90 pointer:

2016 Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio (Italy, Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino, Valdadige)
12/14/2018
xxxxxxxxxx
91

2008 Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio (Italy, Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino, Valdadige)
12/5/2010
xxxxxxxxxxx
91

I did find the occasional 89 but 90% of the wines tasted are 90 or higher. This wine might be the best marketed wine in the world!
You referring to Suckling?

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#77 Post by Sebastian C. » December 18th, 2018, 11:59 am

C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 10:15 am
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No first name?
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#78 Post by C Simmons » December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Sebastian C. wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:59 am
C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 10:15 am
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No first name?
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#79 Post by C Simmons » December 18th, 2018, 1:03 pm

Thanks Frank. You have an epic volume of tasting notes on CT with a ton of detail. Always well done sir!

I know my notes can be a cyclone of goofy ramblings at times, but I hope to take wine just serious enough that there is some content there....

...The Walk of Shame Archetype: Posts an impassioned note either singing the praises of or utterly condemning a wine, but then kinda feels bad about it the next day. AKA The Drunk Text Archetype.

Ya those RM Chards have been a bit wonky lately for me... almost like they were over-sulfured or something (if that’s actually a thing). I usually love the RM Chards. Hopefully time helps, but I’m a bit concerned overall...

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#80 Post by NickRut » December 18th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 10:55 am
C Simm, I do enjoy your notes in CT. They hit my feed regularly as we drink similar in New World things. The Rivers-Marie chard TNs you have written made me pause a # of times as I opened those bottles during the past several weeks. Keep it up, appreciate it.


X2 on this. Always enjoy reading his notes.
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#81 Post by Sebastian C. » December 18th, 2018, 2:54 pm

C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm
Sebastian C. wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:59 am
C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 10:15 am
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No first name?
No last name? [scratch.gif]
In the signature....
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#82 Post by John Glas » December 18th, 2018, 3:21 pm

John Glas wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:06 pm
The 90 pointer:

2016 Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio (Italy, Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino, Valdadige)
12/14/2018
xxxxxxxxxx
91

2008 Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio (Italy, Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino, Valdadige)
12/5/2010
xxxxxxxxxxx
91

I did find the occasional 89 but 90% of the wines tasted are 90 or higher. This wine might be the best marketed wine in the world!
You referring to Suckling?
No I think he was 93 plus on these

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#83 Post by dougwilder » December 18th, 2018, 3:36 pm

Couldn't be bothered to write anything positive on a wine until a critic gave it 100 points then bemoans the fact he can't find anyone to share their allocation with him and accuses the store where he claims to be a great customer "spending $200 a year" is gouging because they have a 1 bottle limit at market price.
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#84 Post by Matt Mauldin » December 19th, 2018, 10:09 pm

The "I'm Pissed at Galloni For Not Liking Tynan Enough" archetype...
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#85 Post by Eric LeVine » December 19th, 2018, 11:01 pm

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Conclusion: CT ratings are absolutely not reliable, especially mean ratings ...
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#86 Post by Markus S » December 20th, 2018, 5:38 am

C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm
Sebastian C. wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:59 am
C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 10:15 am
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No first name?
No last name? [scratch.gif]
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#87 Post by C Simmons » December 20th, 2018, 6:01 am

Markus S wrote:
December 20th, 2018, 5:38 am
C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm
Sebastian C. wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:59 am


No first name?
No last name? [scratch.gif]
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#88 Post by C Simmons » December 20th, 2018, 6:05 am

Matt Mauldin wrote:
December 19th, 2018, 10:09 pm
The "I'm Pissed at Galloni For Not Liking Tynan Enough" archetype...
[rofl.gif] Love it!

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#89 Post by Rick Dyer » December 20th, 2018, 7:58 am

The Newbie - The person who scores a wine ridiculously high or low, and when you look at their profile you see they've written 2 tasting notes.

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#90 Post by Cris Whetstone » December 20th, 2018, 5:46 pm

Rick Dyer wrote:
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The Newbie - The person who scores a wine ridiculously high or low, and when you look at their profile you see they've written 2 tasting notes.
Newbie or someone with a beef with the winery. The TripAdvisor/Yelp effect.
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#91 Post by J a y H a c k » December 21st, 2018, 8:09 am

C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm
Sebastian C. wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 11:59 am
C Simmons wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 10:15 am
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No first name?
No last name? [scratch.gif]
No name altogether . . . he or she expects the reader to know wine so well the he knows the CT Handle of every person whose notes are worth reading. neener

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#92 Post by Gordon Fitz » December 21st, 2018, 8:33 am

I still remember WS busting a group of posters about a decade or so ago. They were all itb, I believe from the same distributor, from different parts of the country hawking the WoW. One would post a TN and the others would chime in glorifying the wine telling everyone they should go out and buy it! Not sure how WS figured out who they all were, but they put some very strong language in one of the Forums over it and clamped down on the posters. I haven’t a clue who all those TN posters on CT are and what other motivations they might have.

Besides all the infantcide practiced on CT, with the corresponding notes, my huge problem with CT scores is that for the averages a score posted 5 or 10 years ago carries the same weight as a score posted last week! So just looking at the score is foolish!

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#93 Post by C Simmons » December 21st, 2018, 11:24 am

Good points to be sure as they relate to anonymity, posting “styles,” scoring, and CT conspiracies. I’ll make a few comments for those who care to humor any opinion I may have… (standby and sit down…it’s long)… and my apologies because this only skirts the thread regarding CT archetypes.

Regarding handles, real names, and anonymity. Maybe I should care more about that simply because there is the opportunity for conspirator-type folks to post all sorts of wacky notes that are rife with nefarious agendas because they either work in the industry and know that CT can influence consumer sentiment about a particular wine or have some hate or love affair with a winemaker or proprietor. Someone could own a wine shop and be posting all great scores about wines they are trying to push. The winemaker may be the poster’s BFF. The winemaker may be the poster with 6 different handles posting 6 separate notes about how great a wine is. Whatever. There are thousands of reasons why someone might post what would be seen as “unethical” or disingenuous notes. Welcome to the internet my friends.

Besides, anyone who takes anything at face value on the internet probably needs to check him or herself anyway. If it means that much to you, I say do the research and follow those you “trust” as best as you can. I’m a lowly consumer (believe that or don’t I suppose). I, like many, use the internet in a number of fashions to research what wines I want to buy. I like to write narratives (not just scores), so I post my tasting notes and my experience of the wine (love it or hate it; useful for you or not useful for you). It’s at least information and maybe there are some nuggets in there, and maybe there aren’t. I don’t work in the industry. I don’t go on long walks on the beach with winemakers. I’m a Bay Area local, so I have some access that might be easier in some respects than others. I guess it’s a bit more than just a hobby for me because I post notes, but I sure as heck ain’t making any money or getting and favors for it. And that’s about it I guess. Everyone has his or her own reasons for wanting and “needing” information about wine.

If it’s a matter of better remembering a “real” name over a handle, it’s pretty much the same for me personally. If you are John Smith or HotGuy2000, besides having a douche handle, I’ll be able to at least cognizantly recollect it the same for reference purposes. CT’s “Others On My Wines” functionality is what I use most, and as similar names pop up about wines I cellar and drinnk, I’m able to dig a little deeper and see if palates align. But that aside, if someone uses “SuperThinGal” as a handle but she’s really a 400lb tank of a dude, what do I care as long as his/her palate seems to align with mine wine-wise and it doesn’t appear that he/she is posting for some other wicked or perverse reason. I’m not looking for a date. I’m looking for information on a wine. That’s about it. If people want to be straightforward and systematic about it, or colorful and longwinded about it, I’ll take what I can and move on. I personally favor notes with narratives, not just a number with a line that reads, “Terrific!” But if the poster just wanted to put that, and someone else finds that useful, then good on ‘em.

To Jay’s point, I have no expectation of anyone even reading what I post. I’m glad they do when they do if they find some use from it. Some people are nice about what I post. Some people find my posts to be utter garbage and dismiss them as just nuisance ramblings from a complete moron. I really don’t have a dog in this fight for the most part outside of my fragile little ego. If people want to think I’m on some winemaker’s payroll or get kickbacks from some house because I gave them 100 points on CT, I’m not sure what to do about that except to say that is definitely not the case. If someone doesn’t believe me or questions some agenda I may have, so be it I suppose. I’m pretty communicative on CT (for better or worse), so I always try to answer questions as I go.

Do I pop wines too early? Absolutely. But again, what does it matter? Some find that helpful, because I’m not the only one who wants to open a wine the first chance he gets “in the name of science” and all that. If I rate it high or low, how you take that depends on how you encompass the totality of what you might expect from the wine going forward. You can totally dismiss it, because after all, it’s “not ready” yet…for your palate at least. Those who “know” or “follow” me or whatever, know that I’m not the guy for Bordeaux or Burgundy. I know it’s currently hip to know Burgundy, for example, but that’s just not me at the moment. I’m not the guy for wines aged 30 years. I like more freshness. I don’t mind baby fat on a wine sometimes. I like the complexity of flavor on the front end quite often. I don’t care for thinner, watery, or more austere wines. That’s just me…generally. That’s just my palate…generally. I like more fuller-bodied experiences in wine. It’s not all I like…but that’s certainly what I seem to gravitate to. You don’t have to know my social security number or my mother’s maiden name to know that about what I post. I try to own it and am open to the gaps that such a stance can create.

Anyway…always more to say…but I think anyone who actually took the time to read this is teetering dangerously close to slitting their wrists right about now…. So put down the knife and have a beverage. I can’t recommend a beverage at this moment because I’m currently feeling a little vulnerable after this Freudian purge about CT….. [soap.gif]

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#94 Post by Gordon Fitz » December 21st, 2018, 11:55 am

The point of my infantcide post was that many notes go along the lines of: Popped and Poured, highly tannic with jaw gripping tannins and non expressive flavors . Undrinkable at this point. 82 Pts.

What are one’s reasonable expectations of a newly released Barolo or Brunello that they pop and pour? I fully understand that many buyers drink on Saturday what they bought on Thursday and likewise will never decant as a practice, and yes that young wine may very well be a 82 when compared with the huge fruit bomb Orin Swift they normally pop and pour! Other similar wine drinkers may indeed follow them shortly thereafter in infantcide also, it’s there money. My question is, why for posted CT community averages should all those infantcide rating be given equal weight in the averages to the scores given 8-10 years later when the drinking window opens?

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#95 Post by C Simmons » December 21st, 2018, 12:07 pm

A sliding scale metric based on time makes sense... would be interesting to see how that bell curve would actually play out.

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#96 Post by David Glasser » December 21st, 2018, 2:32 pm

The best solution to being annoyed by CT average scores being distorted by those whose scores don’t match your ideal of how scores should be awarded is quite simple: ignore CT average scores. Read the notes. Get to know the palates of some of the regular CTers. "Fan" the ones who do it the way you prefer. You can see the average score from those you’re a fan of. And their TNs float to the top of the TNs and scores on a wine.

PS - Eric, it’d be cool if you added that average of "I’m a fan" scores to the drop-down list of things you can sort by.

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#97 Post by Gordon Fitz » December 22nd, 2018, 9:14 am

David;

I don’t disagree with your points. That’s what I typically do. The problem mostly arises when retail stores post CT scores for the novices along with WS, WA, or WE scores.

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#98 Post by Jeff Vaughan » December 22nd, 2018, 9:30 am

Eric LeVine wrote:
December 19th, 2018, 11:01 pm
Gerhard P. wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 6:57 am
Conclusion: CT ratings are absolutely not reliable, especially mean ratings ...
Either you know the taster and his ability - or you are quite lost ...
13) The Naysayer
I love Cellar Tracker, but I agree that you have to have a basic understanding of what the tasters preferences and abilities are. I saw a note the other day that said "not very good" and then they gave it 89 points. That was the entirety of the note.

I could drink a wine with two of my friends and the one who drinks mostly AFWE wines would say it is sweet and a fruit bomb, and the other who drinks big CA wines would say it is lean and light on fruit.
CT: outplaying

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#99 Post by Bob Hughes » December 22nd, 2018, 10:31 am

You have friends? [cheers.gif]

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Re: Cellar Tracker archetypes

#100 Post by David Glasser » December 22nd, 2018, 11:08 am

Gordon Fitz wrote:
December 22nd, 2018, 9:14 am
David;

I don’t disagree with your points. That’s what I typically do. The problem mostly arises when retail stores post CT scores for the novices along with WS, WA, or WE scores.
Shouldn’t be a problem for those of us who know how CT works.

I see where that could be misleading to those who don’t understand the source of the scores. Though I suspect it’s more likely they’ll be sucked in by a Suckling 97 than a CT 92.4. Shelf talkers usually go to the highest bidder scorer.

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