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Re: Somm 3

#51 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » December 6th, 2018, 7:32 pm

Have you ever had a Bachelet Corbeaux?
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#52 Post by R Garcia » December 6th, 2018, 8:06 pm

Can't say I have!

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#53 Post by R M Kriete » December 7th, 2018, 10:37 am

Watched it last night. Both my wife and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Looking forward to Somm 4

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#54 Post by R M Kriete » December 7th, 2018, 10:42 am

R Garcia wrote:
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The issue is not that the tastings were rigged, it is that the wines were strangely selected.
The tasting was a little like having a beauty pageant for only moderately attractive people, say 5 to 7 out of 10, but not allowing really "beautiful" people compete.
(SPOILER if haven't seen the movie)



Except that Jancis, Fred and Spurrier enjoyed all of the pinots and each picked a different one as their fave.....so beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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Re: Somm 3

#55 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » December 7th, 2018, 10:42 am

R Garcia wrote:
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Can't say I have!
It's not a 5-7 on a 1-10 scale...just sayin.
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#56 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 10th, 2018, 7:04 pm

I liked the movie; it was very different than the others but I liked it more than 2. For those of you complaining about the lack of grand cru, how well do you think a 15 grand cru would’ve done in the blind tasting? Honestly he should’ve used the Angerville Volnay 1er or village and a bachelet village.

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#57 Post by Mattstolz » December 10th, 2018, 7:31 pm

So I finally watched this. I loved Somm because it had an engaging story that had an obvious direction, and I felt like even though 2 eschewed that, the way it was set up it didn't need it. this third one seems to lack some direction though. The way I described it to someone was like there were 2 or 3 different ideas for what Somm III should be, and they did each of them halfway instead of just picking one. it ended up being a little disjointed because of that and the final blind tasting tried to rectify this and bring it all together but it didn't seem to.

There is a story that already wrote itself in the Somm community this year that has a great arc and tons of intrigue in the MS testing. That's what I'd make a Somm 4 about.

I still liked watching it, but the original is still the best.

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#58 Post by Tom K. » December 11th, 2018, 9:15 am

Rich Salsano wrote:
December 6th, 2018, 6:03 am
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In case you want to recreate the pinot tasting, this will start you on your way [wink.gif]
https://www.vervewine.com/products/6333 ... 2972275445
I saw that too. And Brian McClintic’s Viticole wine club was also offering the winning Pinot as well as part of a pack. Trying to not be skeptical but....... [whistle.gif]
It just seems incredibly disingenuous, the opposite of what a Somm is supposed to be to those less educated about wine.

This is exactly where I think this goes over the line for most wine folks ITB or very much "in the know" if not ITB, Somm3 ends up just being a commercial and little to do with being a Somm. We know the west coast guys or those that worked there for a while in this film guys are friends and collaborate together. The roots go way back to most characters having worked closely together in the past at the same establishments.

In the end it just feels like a huge conflict of interest. And by all means, anyone is certainly allowed to do this or whatever means of promotion they want. It's not like the wines suck.

Caveat: I loved Somm, and really liked Somm 2, the cinematography and shooting (esp #2) alone is amazing and I suggest anyone that has the ability to do so watch BOTH with the director and actors dialogue/narrative.
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#59 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 11th, 2018, 9:47 am

Well they’ve done a good job bc that domaine de la Côte wine isn’t available anywhere now.

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#60 Post by Subu Ramachandran » December 11th, 2018, 9:57 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 9:47 am
Well they’ve done a good job bc that domaine de la Côte wine isn’t available anywhere now.
Tells you how much of the industry is marketing and hype driven...

I bought a few last year after a tasting session, perhaps I should offload them.

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#61 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 11th, 2018, 10:23 am

Sort of lost in all this is that many of the wines they were tasting were pretty young to drink. That champans is built for long term aging and will probably be best in 15-20.

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#62 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » December 11th, 2018, 11:17 am

All the wines in the Judgement of Paris were young as well. I guess we should get Time magazine to pull back on that article from 1976.
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#63 Post by Alicia C. » December 11th, 2018, 1:36 pm

Since Jason is reading along, I'll just add my tiny two cents ... I absolutely adore these films!

I think I enjoyed 3 slightly more than 2, but you can't beat all that gorgeous scenery in 2 (I'd love to see what was left on the cutting room floor -- I'm sure it's cellar and vine porn galore!)

It was a lot of fun seeing all the top somms in one place and watching them through their tasting (the geeky side of me wanted to hear more of their thought process as they were tasting through the wines -- but that's probably not so appealing for a mass audience).

Looking forward to the Uni film, but hope to see more wine-related docs! For me, they provide a lot of joy and happiness and are a great respite from everything else going on in the world.

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#64 Post by K John Joseph » December 11th, 2018, 1:55 pm

John Kight wrote:
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4. Even among the very best, with similar palate and thoughts, one could pick a different wine. There is no "best".
I always find it so funny that people focus on "best" with wine. You never hear them do this with people (E.G. "Who is the best person you love?" "Who was the best person you met at the party?" "Who is the best person in the world?"). As with people, there are lots of great ones, each with its own merits, flaws, quirks, outstanding characteristics, special appeal, etc. There may be certain occasions on which you would enjoy being with one more than another, but that could easily change on another occasion. Yet with wine, everyone wants to rank them and declare a "best"....When it comes to people, I guess everyone instinctively understands that there are enough sweet, fun, intelligent and good people in the world that it makes no sense to "allocate" your love and focus on just one individual.
As someone who has had to hire and fire attorneys and staffers at our firm, I can assure you "best" is something we're all cognizant of. Maybe not "who is the best person ever" but certainly "of this group of people, who is the best candidate and why?" Or, "who is the best litigator?" Or, "who is the best of the clerks?" Sure you don't focus only on that individual, just as you never would with wine, but you'd obviously prefer that person to others within a certain scope, and would like to keep going back to that superior performer.

We talk about "best wide receiver" which is a person doing his job. We talk about "best actress" and the roles they've played. We can get crass and talk about best "kisser" we've ever known. All of those things focus on something within a scope. Wine is no different. Placing things in a hierarchy is natural order. Wine is just another thing we do it to.
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#65 Post by DanielPaik » December 11th, 2018, 6:15 pm

I just watched the film and enjoyed it, but I felt like it left so much potential on the table. My favorite scenes were actually when each of the trio (Dame, Robinson, Spurrier) were telling the stories behind their bottles. I wanted so much more of the stories as you could see that they were really meaningful to them. For example, I really wanted to hear more about Dave Bennion. I think it would've been really cool to learn more about the history of Ridge and Draper/Bennion's roles in shaping it and making iconic California wine. It would fit in well with the judgement of paris bit as well. They were already interviewing Fred Dame and Paul Draper, it would've been really cool to hear more about a person so important to Ridge, yet someone who I know absolutely nothing about. And straight from some of the people who were close to him!

I expected to dislike the tasting selection, and am a little uncomfortable with inserting a friend's wine into a tasting that could be potentially lucrative. But, with respect to the tasting itself, I actually really enjoyed that no one was trying to claim that one wine was superior/better, but really, that it's more about preference and style. Also, I feel a little bad for Robert Parker each successive time he's made into a whipping boy for the current wine generation. I can imagine him sitting on the sofa, putting on Somm 3 to relax, and then halfway through getting to see people blaming him for x/y/z. I think the points made about Parker were totally fair, but now that he's retired and out of the game, he can't really even defend himself

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#66 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » December 11th, 2018, 9:53 pm

R Garcia wrote:
December 6th, 2018, 7:23 pm
The issue is not that the tastings were rigged, it is that the wines were strangely selected.
The tasting was a little like having a beauty pageant for only moderately attractive people, say 5 to 7 out of 10, but not allowing really "beautiful" people compete.
Great analogy.

On a side note, my favorite Raj wine is Evening Land La Source Seven Springs.

Also, I loved Somm2. How could you ever top a wine movie that featured the Ruinart cellar, Trimbach’s Clos St Hune and Aubert de Villaine?? The closest I’ll even get to DRC is drinking HdV Chard.
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#67 Post by Matt K » December 14th, 2018, 6:43 am

Just watched the film and commented to my wife and friend after that it read like a set-up to sell Rajat's wine.

It just seemed like a complete half-assing of what it would actually take to 'prove' the true superior Pinot producer. It's so subjective, anyways.

I loved Somm 2 and was hoping it would be in that line, but I was fairly disappointed.

I enjoyed the trio as well, tasting their eureka bottles.
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#68 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 14th, 2018, 7:37 am

I guess I don't really agree. Does anyone think that Angerville was drinking anywhere near its prime? Yet it still tied for first, despite numerous people saying the oak had nowhere enough time to integrate.

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#69 Post by Subu Ramachandran » December 14th, 2018, 10:05 am

Matt K wrote:
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Just watched the film and commented to my wife and friend after that it read like a set-up to sell Rajat's wine.
Matt I felt the same way how it came across, but given the blind tastings they wouldn't have know Rajat's wines would have been picked. There could have not been a tie or just the two burgundies and the one from Aussie.

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#70 Post by Ian H » December 14th, 2018, 7:37 pm

I just watched Somm 3 and enjoyed it. Not looking for Citizen Kane but something light and interesting to pass the time while consuming some wine. Mission accomplished. Doubt it was a setup to sell Domaine De La Cote, but it certainly worked out well for the film makers in crafting some sort of loose parallel to the 1976 tasting. Now, certainly a benefit to have your wine featured amongst those six pinots and perhaps friendship / connections played a role in Dustin Wilson choosing that, who knows. Fred nailing the blind 95 guigal cote rotie at the beginning was amazing. (and if there was anything that would have been staged in this film, and I don't think there was, IMHO that would be the more likely candidate as opposed to the Raj wine coming in a tie for first).
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#71 Post by Rich Brown » December 14th, 2018, 7:57 pm

So I have not looked at the other comments in fear of spoiling the doc, but I'm watching it right now and enjoying the hell out of it (it's a movie on wine....how could you not like it). My thoughts:

1. Fred Dame is a badass and 10000% makes the movie. I would LOVE to share a few glasses with that guy. That call on the 95 Guigal was incredible, especially since he was desperately trying to be fooled by that other MS

2. The clear highlight is the initial tasting with Fred, Jancis, and Spurrier where they discuss/taste the bottles that set them on their course (so awesome). On that note, i have to say that Jancis comes off incredibly snotty and just generally unlikable to me. Almost difficult to listen to. Worst part is (aside from her almost feeling embarrassed that she blindly chose a US pinot in the blind tasting and had to quickly justify it being a Raj wine where hes trying to make Burgundy in CA), her non-verbal ques are blatantly negative towards Fred Dame, and IMHO, almost insulting (literally barely looks the dude in the eyes except during 1 scene). Spurrier comes across pretty neutral to me, and I thought it was pretty cool to have him featured here.

3. Back to Jancis. Did anyone else find it weirdly contradictive that she was basically dissing the world for previously basing their wine buying decisions based off of 1-person/Parker....when she herself is a wine critic who makes a living off of trying to get people to read her opinions on wine??? Again....she just really rubs me the wrong way in this movie.

3. Did Rajat Parr produce this freaking thing?!? He must have had something to do with it from a financial perspective. Because the movie, IMHO, would have been just as good if not better without him in it, and certainly more credible if they weren't pimping his wines. That was weak sauce for sure.

Still, I did have fun watching this, and mostly because of Fred Dame carrying it. Without him I probbaly would have had a different opinion. If the producer (Raj??) Is looking for opinions on a Somm 4,.....feature Fred as much as you can, and please.....stop trying to sell us wine.

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#72 Post by David Allen » December 14th, 2018, 8:24 pm

I just finished the film and generally enjoyed it. It did seem like a promotion for Domaine de la Cote, but I guess that's par for course as other films feature product placement more than you'd think. Regarding Jancis, I don't think she intentionally acts snotty. If you've watched her "Wine Course" television show from the 90s you'll see that her personality is consistent with how she comes across in this film. She grew on me.

I drank a bottle of 2016 Donnhoff Hermannshohle GG during the viewing, which of course it was young, but seriously showed amazingly. Surprisingly well integrated. What did you all drink during your viewing?

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#73 Post by Rich Brown » December 14th, 2018, 8:39 pm

David Allen wrote:
December 14th, 2018, 8:24 pm
I just finished the film and generally enjoyed it. It did seem like a promotion for Domaine de la Cote, but I guess that's par for course as other films feature product placement more than you'd think. Regarding Jancis, I don't think she intentionally acts snotty. If you've watched her "Wine Course" television show from the 90s you'll see that her personality is consistent with how she comes across in this film. She grew on me.

I drank a bottle of 2016 Donnhoff Hermannshohle GG during the viewing, which of course it was young, but seriously showed amazingly. Surprisingly well integrated. What did you all drink during your viewing?
Ahhh! I have actually never seen any of her previous TV shows or any videos for that matter, so good to know that's how she is all the time. I'm probbaly not her main demo (although I'm not sure what shes shooting for at this point), but she was wildly off-putting IMHO.

Anyway, I drank a SQN grenache and a Birichino Old Vine Zin while watching. Pretty sure Jancis would NOT approve ;)

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