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TN: Baudry Blanc and Pepiere Muscadet

#1 Post by Ramon C » November 29th, 2018, 8:02 am

Opened 3 whites, not at the same time, but all within the same week.

2009 Baudry Croix Boissee Chinon Blanc
Clear, with light gold tint hinting just the slightest of advancement. Smoky/floral/somewhat oxidative Chenin nose. Fresh flavors from a mélange of citrus fruit, complementary layers of mineral and hint of savory broth. Tart and refreshing grapefruit notes. Good length. B+/A-

2012 Pepiere Muscadet Sevre-et-Maine Sur Lie Clos des Briords
One word: smooth. Ripe, lush citrus. I’d never thought I’d use the word “elegant” to describe a usually/traditionally high-toned Muscadet. Intensity appeared to have dialed down from last taste (2+ years ago). Very long finish. B+

2014 Pepiere Muscadet Sevre-et-Maine Sur Lie Clos des Briords
Flowers, stone, and seashell bouquet. Talk about high intensity! Mouth-puckering, eye-squinting acidity. Strong mineral and seashell notes. Ripe white fruit. Complete. A-

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#2 Post by Karl K » November 29th, 2018, 10:19 am

Nice lineup!

That 14 Briords is dynamite. Interesting how the strong pleasant acidity can take a step back from time to time to let the fruit time to be enjoyed.
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#3 Post by Nathan V. » November 29th, 2018, 11:01 am

Ramon C wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 8:02 am
Opened 3 whites, not at the same time, but all within the same week.

2009 Baudry Croix Boissee Chinon Blanc
Clear, with light gold tint hinting just the slightest of advancement. Smoky/floral/somewhat oxidative Chenin nose. Fresh flavors from a mélange of citrus fruit, complementary layers of mineral and hint of savory broth. Tart and refreshing grapefruit notes. Good length. B+/A-

2012 Pepiere Muscadet Sevre-et-Maine Sur Lie Clos des Briords
One word: smooth. Ripe, lush citrus. I’d never thought I’d use the word “elegant” to describe a usually/traditionally high-toned Muscadet. Intensity appeared to have dialed down from last taste (2+ years ago). Very long finish. B+

2014 Pepiere Muscadet Sevre-et-Maine Sur Lie Clos des Briords
Flowers, stone, and seashell bouquet. Talk about high intensity! Mouth-puckering, eye-squinting acidity. Strong mineral and seashell notes. Ripe white fruit. Complete. A-


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Great line-up. The Baudry Croix-Boissée blanc is the best white Chinon and is headed towards the top ranks of dry chenin, IMO. 2014 Briords is magic.
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#4 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 29th, 2018, 11:29 am

Thanks for the notes Ramon and glad to hear the '14 Briords is in a good place. I almost pulled one of these last night but went a different route. Probably my favorite vintage and I'm sadly down to my last 2 bottles. Was not nearly as much of a fan of the '15, which has so much less cut and is too round IMO. The next time a vintage like '14 comes around I need to really back up the truck.

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#5 Post by Ramon C » November 29th, 2018, 12:04 pm

Just to add, being the only alcohol-drinker in the household, remaining 50% of each bottle were re-corked back into the refrigerator overnight for the the next dinner.

On day 2, all 3 were more complex and I admittedly found them more enjoyable, and also showed to be almost as sturdy as they were in the 1st day. 2014 Briords is a long-haul beast.
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#6 Post by Jayson Cohen » November 29th, 2018, 3:06 pm

Michae1 P0wers wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 11:29 am
Thanks for the notes Ramon and glad to hear the '14 Briords is in a good place. I almost pulled one of these last night but went a different route. Probably my favorite vintage and I'm sadly down to my last 2 bottles. Was not nearly as much of a fan of the '15, which has so much less cut and is too round IMO. The next time a vintage like '14 comes around I need to really back up the truck.
‘17 is very good. Very much in the vein of ‘10, ‘12, and ‘14 IMO.

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#7 Post by James Billy » November 29th, 2018, 5:58 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 3:06 pm
Michae1 P0wers wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 11:29 am
The next time a vintage like '14 comes around I need to really back up the truck.
‘17 is very good. Very much in the vein of ‘10, ‘12, and ‘14 IMO.
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#8 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 29th, 2018, 6:33 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 3:06 pm
Michae1 P0wers wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 11:29 am
Thanks for the notes Ramon and glad to hear the '14 Briords is in a good place. I almost pulled one of these last night but went a different route. Probably my favorite vintage and I'm sadly down to my last 2 bottles. Was not nearly as much of a fan of the '15, which has so much less cut and is too round IMO. The next time a vintage like '14 comes around I need to really back up the truck.
‘17 is very good. Very much in the vein of ‘10, ‘12, and ‘14 IMO.
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#9 Post by Ramon C » November 30th, 2018, 6:00 am

‘17 is stupid good, after 1+ case consumed over the summer.
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#10 Post by Michael_H » January 3rd, 2019, 9:52 am

Ramon C wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 6:00 am
‘17 is stupid good, after 1+ case consumed over the summer.
I'm trying to get handle on vintage differences between the most recent few. I saw your discussion of differences between 14 and 15 - how would you compare those to 16 and 17?
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#11 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » January 3rd, 2019, 1:23 pm

Some of my favorite daily drink whites. Cheers Ramon!

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#12 Post by Ramon C » January 5th, 2019, 2:06 am

Michael_H wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:52 am
Ramon C wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 6:00 am
‘17 is stupid good, after 1+ case consumed over the summer.
I'm trying to get handle on vintage differences between the most recent few. I saw your discussion of differences between 14 and 15 - how would you compare those to 16 and 17?
The hallmark of Pepiere's Briords are the cutting acidity, high mineral notes and intensity. Those vintages showed them all. But I preferred 17 to 16, in a larger way than I preferred 14 to the 15. In fact my order preference in the last 4 vintage releases is 14, 17, 15, and 16.
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#13 Post by Ramon C » January 5th, 2019, 2:09 am

Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 1:23 pm
Some of my favorite daily drink whites. Cheers Ramon!
Cheers, Faryan! Amazing and thankful that the wines stay consistent year-after-year while maintaining their reasonable pricing ... at least with Pepiere's Briords.
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#14 Post by Barry L i p t o n » January 5th, 2019, 3:58 am

Even though I have stopped buying, I couldn’t resist these comments and bought 6 bottles of the 2017. That and my recent 04 Briords which was as good as an excellent chablis,

If I had bought a case it would have been even cheaper, $15/bottle.
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#15 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 5th, 2019, 6:00 am

Ramon C wrote:
January 5th, 2019, 2:06 am
Michael_H wrote:
January 3rd, 2019, 9:52 am
Ramon C wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 6:00 am
‘17 is stupid good, after 1+ case consumed over the summer.
I'm trying to get handle on vintage differences between the most recent few. I saw your discussion of differences between 14 and 15 - how would you compare those to 16 and 17?
The hallmark of Pepiere's Briords are the cutting acidity, high mineral notes and intensity. Those vintages showed them all. But I preferred 17 to 16, in a larger way than I preferred 14 to the 15. In fact my order preference in the last 4 vintage releases is 14, 17, 15, and 16.
+1, although I wouldn’t drink 14 now.

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#16 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 5th, 2019, 6:27 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
January 5th, 2019, 3:58 am
Ben though I have stopped buying, I couldn’t resist these comments and bought 6 bottles of the 2017. That and my recent 04 Briords which was as good as an excellent chablis,

If I had bought a case it would have been even cheaper, $15/bottle.
My recollection is 2004 was $23 on release. In magnum. ;)

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#17 Post by Vince T » January 6th, 2019, 9:36 am

I had a little Pepiere '17 horizontal last night, with a Briords, along with their two La Pepie base Cuvee (one muscadet, one cab franc). The '17 Briords remind me of a cross between the '14 and '15 - chiseled and strikingly intense, but with a rounder mouthfeel and a bit more ripe fruit on the back. I like the '15 at least as much as the '14, if not a tiny bit more. But the '17 may end up being the best of the bunch. :)

As for the entry level Muscadet, it was a bit more tart and less balanced, but shared many profile traits of the Briords and was very quaffable. It's hard to justify buying this when Briords is available for only $4 more... except as a cellar defender to protect those Briords.

The Pepie cab franc was also quaffable and fun, although it's not in the same league as some of the of the $15 Loire reds I've had in the past couple years.
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#18 Post by Barry L i p t o n » January 6th, 2019, 11:45 am

Just had a glass of a 2015 Pepiere (the Chateau Theobaud) and while it was pleasant, it wasn’t exciting. Is it a more pedestrian bottling or the vintage?

Switched to a glass of Descombes 2015 Morgon Vielle Vignes which was a great Morgon.

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#19 Post by bob parsons alberta » January 6th, 2019, 6:29 pm

I purchased some 2015 Luneau-Pepin L d`Or Granit Vallet when in Calgary last week.

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#20 Post by Greg Giere » January 11th, 2019, 11:29 am

Great producers! Thanks for sharing.

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#21 Post by Ramon C » January 12th, 2019, 5:51 am

Greg Giere wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 11:29 am
Great producers! Thanks for sharing.
Not many share same enthusiasm for these wines here. Even then, glad to share some data points.
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#22 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 12th, 2019, 6:53 am

Ramon C wrote:
January 12th, 2019, 5:51 am
Greg Giere wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 11:29 am
Great producers! Thanks for sharing.
Not many share same enthusiasm for these wines here. Even then, glad to share some data points.
I don’t think that’s true, Ramon. But I’ll admit they are more squarely in the Disorderly wheelhouse.

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#23 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 12th, 2019, 7:03 am

bob parsons alberta wrote:
January 6th, 2019, 6:29 pm
I purchased some 2015 Luneau-Pepin L d`Or Granit Vallet when in Calgary last week.
Very nice. 2014 a couple months ago was fabulous. The generational change here a while back hasn’t missed a beat and is expanding the number of bottlings. If anything, there’s more consistency down the line as they diversify bottlings. And L D’Or seems as strong as ever. Which is saying a lot considering how well it ages.

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