Vice Versa La Petit Vice

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Vice Versa La Petit Vice

#1 Post by Alan Eden » November 27th, 2018, 8:18 am

Anyone familiar with these wines

How are they for $75, must buy, buy or pass ?

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Re: Vice Versa La Petit Vice

#2 Post by Frank Z » November 27th, 2018, 8:47 am

Not familiar per se, but heard great things about the label and this wine (good QPR), so in for 3 bottles. Hoping to taste with them during my trip up to Napa in a few weeks.
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#3 Post by blarmston » November 27th, 2018, 9:24 am

I had this wine back in April during a visit to VV. While its a very nice wine (and decent QPR by Napa standards), I was blown away by their other offerings. Their regular Napa bottling was drinking beautifully at such a young age, but their Dr Crane and Las Piedras are on par with some of the finest the Valley is making these days. They nailed the 2016 vintage for sure.
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#4 Post by NickRut » November 27th, 2018, 10:03 am

blarmston wrote:
November 27th, 2018, 9:24 am
I had this wine back in April during a visit to VV. While its a very nice wine (and decent QPR by Napa standards), I was blown away by their other offerings. Their regular Napa bottling was drinking beautifully at such a young age, but their Dr Crane and Las Piedras are on par with some of the finest the Valley is making these days. They nailed the 2016 vintage for sure.
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#5 Post by JohnP » November 27th, 2018, 10:26 am

I agree, they hit a home run in 16'. Wished I had bought more of their SVs.
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#6 Post by AD Northup » November 27th, 2018, 10:49 am

Tasted there 2 weeks ago on a trip. 16 Napa and Las Piedras were delicious, 17 barrel samples for Dr. Crane and To Kalon could be pretty amazing QPR.
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#7 Post by Derek P » November 27th, 2018, 3:17 pm

NickRut wrote:
November 27th, 2018, 10:03 am

Damnit needed someone to say it wasn’t good... credit card needs no more damage.
Same here ... but in for 3!
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#8 Post by NickRut » November 27th, 2018, 6:39 pm

AD Northup wrote:
November 27th, 2018, 10:49 am
Tasted there 2 weeks ago on a trip. 16 Napa and Las Piedras were delicious, 17 barrel samples for Dr. Crane and To Kalon could be pretty amazing QPR.

Are they dropping prices for 17?
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#9 Post by AD Northup » November 27th, 2018, 8:13 pm

NickRut wrote:
November 27th, 2018, 6:39 pm
AD Northup wrote:
November 27th, 2018, 10:49 am
Tasted there 2 weeks ago on a trip. 16 Napa and Las Piedras were delicious, 17 barrel samples for Dr. Crane and To Kalon could be pretty amazing QPR.

Are they dropping prices for 17?

Not based on the pricing I saw (225 a bottle for they designated), but still some time before the actual release.
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#10 Post by NickRut » November 27th, 2018, 8:35 pm

Just impressed you said a $225 wine would be an amazing QPR. They must be incredible?
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#11 Post by Joe Mendez » November 27th, 2018, 9:32 pm

VV regular napa botlle is outstanding, never had the La Petit.

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#12 Post by blarmston » November 27th, 2018, 10:07 pm

I had a 2016 VV Napa a week or ago and it was outstanding. I'm gonna pop a LPV or Crane over the next couple weeks because I have little restraint when it comes to these things :(
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#13 Post by Alan Eden » November 27th, 2018, 11:31 pm

Hard to pay $225 for Crane or LPV when its $125 elsewhere
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#14 Post by blarmston » November 28th, 2018, 7:06 am

Where are you finding VV LPV for a buck twenty five?
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#15 Post by A.G. EVERETT » November 28th, 2018, 8:26 am

I have not had the 2016 vintage of petit vice, but bought a 3-pack of the 2015 (which is what we tasted back in April 2018). It's an early drinker to be sure, with plush, ripe red and purple fruit. Not a cerebral wine, but folks that like Napa red will be very happy with this.

All that said, not a "great" price when compared to Myriad and Quivet NV, Pott NV, Teeter Totter, etc. So would not label as a must-buy.
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#16 Post by Steve Crawford » November 28th, 2018, 8:29 am

blarmston wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 7:06 am
Where are you finding VV LPV for a buck twenty five?
it was pretty obvious he meant LPV and not VV LPV.

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#17 Post by Frank Z » November 28th, 2018, 8:45 am

Forgive my naivety, when were talking about $125 LPV, are we talking about Quivet? Or...?
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#18 Post by Steve Crawford » November 28th, 2018, 9:18 am

Frank Z wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 8:45 am
Forgive my naivety, when were talking about $125 LPV, are we talking about Quivet? Or...?
quivet is one of them but pretty sure there's more, at least on the secondary market.

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#19 Post by blarmston » November 28th, 2018, 10:53 am

Steve Crawford wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 8:29 am
blarmston wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 7:06 am
Where are you finding VV LPV for a buck twenty five?
it was pretty obvious he meant LPV and not VV LPV.
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#20 Post by Steve Crawford » November 28th, 2018, 11:12 am

blarmston wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 10:53 am
Steve Crawford wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 8:29 am
blarmston wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 7:06 am
Where are you finding VV LPV for a buck twenty five?
it was pretty obvious he meant LPV and not VV LPV.
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#21 Post by Alan Eden » November 28th, 2018, 2:36 pm

Just saying that $225 is steep for a newish winery with that fruit, why is VV $100 more than Quivet from same vineyard or $60 more than Myriad Dr Crane ?

I think that $125-175 is the entry point for cab from the main areas like Crane, BTK, LPV etc
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#22 Post by Frank Z » November 28th, 2018, 4:13 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 2:36 pm
Just saying that $225 is steep for a newish winery with that fruit, why is VV $100 more than Quivet from same vineyard or $60 more than Myriad Dr Crane ?

I think that $125-175 is the entry point for cab from the main areas like Crane, BTK, LPV etc
Out of curiosity, doesn't Beckstoffer set minimum prices for his vineyard designate wines?
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#23 Post by Bill H » November 28th, 2018, 4:18 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 2:36 pm
Just saying that $225 is steep for a newish winery with that fruit, why is VV $100 more than Quivet from same vineyard or $60 more than Myriad Dr Crane ?

I think that $125-175 is the entry point for cab from the main areas like Crane, BTK, LPV etc
I think Vice Versa has been around over 10 years. I’ve had all the VV SVDs as well as those from the other labels mentioned. I prefer VV and am fine paying the premium.
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#24 Post by NickRut » November 28th, 2018, 4:51 pm

Steve Crawford wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:18 am
Frank Z wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 8:45 am
Forgive my naivety, when were talking about $125 LPV, are we talking about Quivet? Or...?
quivet is one of them but pretty sure there's more, at least on the secondary market.


Any examples of good ones besides Quivet please? Would love to try more LPV fruited wines.
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#25 Post by Paul Marshall » November 28th, 2018, 8:08 pm

Just bought 2 bottles of 2013 Paul Hobbs LPV for $170 a bottle...thought that was a good deal. I also buy Memento Mori LPV at $225. Please tell Mike not to raise his prices 😜

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#26 Post by Steve Crawford » November 29th, 2018, 3:56 am

NickRut wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 4:51 pm
Steve Crawford wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:18 am
Frank Z wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 8:45 am
Forgive my naivety, when were talking about $125 LPV, are we talking about Quivet? Or...?
quivet is one of them but pretty sure there's more, at least on the secondary market.

Any examples of good ones besides Quivet please? Would love to try more LPV fruited wines.
check the beckstoffer website for an exhaustive list then run that list through winesearcher.

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#27 Post by Frank Z » November 30th, 2018, 1:29 pm

Tasting with them next week. Especially looking forward to seeing how the 2017 barrel samples show.
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#28 Post by NickRut » November 30th, 2018, 1:56 pm

Frank Z wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 1:29 pm
Tasting with them next week. Especially looking forward to seeing how the 2017 barrel samples show.


Please make a post on this!
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#29 Post by Frank Z » November 30th, 2018, 2:48 pm

NickRut wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 1:56 pm
Frank Z wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 1:29 pm
Tasting with them next week. Especially looking forward to seeing how the 2017 barrel samples show.


Please make a post on this!
Sure. I will be posting notes regarding my entire trip sometime during the week after I get back! I'll plan on visiting Realm, Myriad, Alpha Omega, Vice Versa, Dakota Shy, Fantesca, and Keplinger!
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