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#1 Post by mattlock » November 5th, 2018, 3:11 pm

Ok here's the scenario...friends hosting a get together where Grenache is the focus via a blind tasting (spicy lamb being served). The rules:

1) Everyone brings two bottles in paper bags
2) Under $30 per bottle
3) Must be 100% Grenache
4) Any region
5) All wines blind tasted (only 1 of 2 bottles is opened)
6) Votes tallied at end of night and winner takes home everyone's second bottle.

First off, I must win.

Second, I'm based in LA so feel a handful will bring domestic Cali Grenache and rest will do French CdR therefore I was leaning towards going a different route, maybe Priorat so if anyone has any great sub $30 suggestions in that world or if something else I'm not considering.

Thanks ahead of time [help.gif]
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#2 Post by larry schaffer » November 5th, 2018, 3:19 pm

For under $30, you'll be hard pressed to get really 'representative' grenaches from CA. You'll have to spend a bit more - though I think you can find Birichino for under that price for a 'lighter' style, and maybe some Wind Gap on closeout. I would probably look towards Spain or France for QPR.

It's a bummer that you're not requiring it to be 100% or close to that - to me, that's kind of like saying that Pinot is the focus but it's okay if someone puts a blend in there that's only 75% pinot . . . it ain't gonna happen!!!

Good luck and keep us posted.

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#3 Post by Marcus Dean » November 5th, 2018, 3:29 pm

Gigondas would be my pick, Im not sure how much they sell Domaine De Bosquets Le Lieu Dit for in the states, but if it fits the price point its pretty good

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#4 Post by mattlock » November 5th, 2018, 3:38 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:19 pm
For under $30, you'll be hard pressed to get really 'representative' grenaches from CA. You'll have to spend a bit more - though I think you can find Birichino for under that price for a 'lighter' style, and maybe some Wind Gap on closeout. I would probably look towards Spain or France for QPR.

It's a bummer that you're not requiring it to be 100% or close to that - to me, that's kind of like saying that Pinot is the focus but it's okay if someone puts a blend in there that's only 75% pinot . . . it ain't gonna happen!!!

Good luck and keep us posted.

Cheers!
Good points Larry...just spoke to the host and clarified that we're doing 100% Grenache so I've made the edit in the original post. And yes, I know there are many options in that $30+ category but for at least one night, I must stick to the rules! Ha Definitely leaning Spanish but I always appreciate any and all suggestions. [cheers.gif]
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#5 Post by Joshua Kates » November 5th, 2018, 3:44 pm

Yeah, Spain,

I just got some of these: 2016 Comando G Bruja de Rozas (@ $22 each). Haven't popped one yet, but definitely looking forward to doing so.

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#6 Post by larry schaffer » November 5th, 2018, 3:44 pm

You have a lot of great shops to choose from with great selections:

K and L
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#7 Post by Sean Malloy » November 5th, 2018, 3:49 pm

I don't know who your friends are and what styles they like. in the company of people other than devoted AFWE types, bigger is often better to win blind tastings. So if you want to win, consider Alto Moncayo Veraton. It's big for my tastes but definitely has good Garnacha fruit and can be a crowd pleaser. I think it goes for $28ish, so also near the top of your range but within the rules.

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#8 Post by Nathan Smyth » November 5th, 2018, 4:18 pm

mattlock wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:11 pm
Under $30 per bottle.

I must win.
Then you're looking for Chris Ringland:

http://chrisringland.com/

http://bodegasaltomoncayo.com/wines/

Here are the pure Garnacho wines in his portfolio:

Veraton, $21+
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/veraton

Alto Moncayo "Alto Moncayo" [Campo de Borja], $32+
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/alto+moncayo

Aquilon, $120+
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/aquikon

If you upgrade to Wine-Searcher Pro, then you might be able to find "Alto Moncayo" for $29.99.

Otherwise it'll be "Veraton" for the win.

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#9 Post by dsimmons » November 5th, 2018, 4:21 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:29 pm
Gigondas would be my pick, Im not sure how much they sell Domaine De Bosquets Le Lieu Dit for in the states, but if it fits the price point its pretty good
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#10 Post by Brian Gilp » November 5th, 2018, 4:22 pm

https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1152173

I don’t like Grenache so not sure that I would take my advice but the 2012 Hobo Grenache proved to me that there are some that are worth drinking. I haven’t had the wine in a few years as I am holding my last few to see what age does to it but have no reason to be worried that it would be OTH based on prior bottles.

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#11 Post by Rob Herried » November 5th, 2018, 5:16 pm

Sans Liege Groundwork is decent for $20. Although I haven’t had it for a few years.

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#12 Post by Vince T » November 5th, 2018, 5:19 pm

https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1351618

IMO, the Bernebeleva wines punch way above their weight. I haven't had this particular bottling, but the $15 bottle is screaming value and their 2 top cuvees (Arroyo del Tortolas and Vina Bonitas) are stunning beauties. All about finesse and balance with a fair bit of structure - great for a grenache blind line-up...
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#13 Post by Chris Seiber » November 5th, 2018, 5:19 pm

Sean Malloy wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:49 pm
I don't know who your friends are and what styles they like. in the company of people other than devoted AFWE types, bigger is often better to win blind tastings. So if you want to win, consider Alto Moncayo Veraton. It's big for my tastes but definitely has good Garnacha fruit and can be a crowd pleaser. I think it goes for $28ish, so also near the top of your range but within the rules.
I personally hate that wine, but it’s generally true that in this kind of format and with non-geek tasters, a big ripe and oaky wine will often win.

I think for me, the best Grenache in that category would be Tercero, if any of them squeak in under $30.

I’m not sure many of the sub $30 reds from the Rhône are 100% Grenache.

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#14 Post by Michael Martin » November 5th, 2018, 5:25 pm

Gigondas 2010’s

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#15 Post by Michael Martin » November 5th, 2018, 5:31 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:29 pm
Gigondas would be my pick, Im not sure how much they sell Domaine De Bosquets Le Lieu Dit for in the states, but if it fits the price point its pretty good
I think that might be outside the price point. Probably more $50 range.

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#16 Post by Marcus Dean » November 5th, 2018, 5:41 pm

Michael Martin wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 5:31 pm
Marcus Dean wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:29 pm
Gigondas would be my pick, Im not sure how much they sell Domaine De Bosquets Le Lieu Dit for in the states, but if it fits the price point its pretty good
I think that might be outside the price point. Probably more $50 range.
Bummer, it would be a sure fire winner in a blind tasting,
How about St Damien La Louisiane 2016?, I see on wine searcher it can be had for around $36 retail, a bit of agitating might get it under 30 clams

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#17 Post by mattlock » November 5th, 2018, 5:49 pm

Appreciate all the options...currently researching! And just to clarify, quite a few wine geeks in this dinner bunch...

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#18 Post by scamhi » November 5th, 2018, 5:59 pm

Comando G Les Bruzas 100% Grenacha and pretty delicious
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#19 Post by John Glas » November 5th, 2018, 6:18 pm

100% Grenache is going to be hard to find. Even labels that say Grenache are not necessarily 100%. I can't imagine any Rhone wine under $30 that is 100% Grenache but maybe one exists.

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#20 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 5th, 2018, 6:58 pm

Yeah, I don't know how many pure Grenache Rhone wines you'll find, but I'll suggest Domaine des Tours Vaucluse, which is under $30 and can be great. '11 is drinking well, '12 and '13 still quite young.

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#21 Post by Rory K. » November 5th, 2018, 7:12 pm

Cannonau de Sardegna would be great, definitely good options under 30 bucks in that area
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#22 Post by Nathan Smyth » November 5th, 2018, 7:24 pm

Here are the top 2015 wines from Gigondas, according to Cellar Tracker:

Domaine des Bosquets
Le Lieu Dit: "Le Grenache (pur)"
La Colline: "Grenache pur aussi"
https://domainedesbosquets.wordpress.com/nos-vins/

Château de Saint-Cosme
2015 Gigondas: "70% Grenache - 14% Syrah – 15% Mourvèdre - 1% Cinsault"
http://www.saintcosme.com/upload/vin/fi ... 15_red.pdf

Domaine Saint-Damien
Gigondas Les Souteyrades: "Grenache 80%, Mourvèdre 20%."
http://domainesaintdamien.com/en/vins/i ... yrades.pdf
2015 Gigondas La Louisiane: "Grenache 80%, Mourvèdre 15%, Cinsault, Syrah 5%"
http://domainesaintdamien.com/en/vins/i ... isiane.pdf

Domaine La Ligière
Gigondas Les Bergines: "70% Grenache... 30% Mourvèdre..."
http://www.apwineimports.com/us/service ... ern-rhone/

Domaine du Gour de Chaulé
Gigondas Cuvée Tradition: "80% Grenache, 10% Syrah et 10% Mourvèdre"
http://www.gourdechaule.com/cuvees.html

Clos du Joncuas
Gigondas: "Grenache (80%), Mourvèdre cinseault, Shiraz"
Esprit de Grenache: "pure Grenache"
http://www.closdujoncuas.fr/nos-produit ... igondas-2/

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#23 Post by Chris T. » November 5th, 2018, 7:29 pm

This stuff is killer and a super cool project right outside of Madrid. Their single vineyards are $100-$140 but their intro blend is high $20’s

http://www.europeancellars.com/wine/rozas-1er-cru/
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#24 Post by Nathan Smyth » November 5th, 2018, 7:30 pm

The only pure Grenache wines were:

Bosquets, Lieu Dit
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/bosquets+lieu+dit/

Bosquets, Colline
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/bosquets+colline/

Joncuas, Esprit
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/joncuas+esprit/

None of those seem to be available in the USA for anywhere close to $30.

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2005-The dark ruby, purple tinged 2005 Old Vine Grenache Alexander Laing (from 80 to 100 year old vines) offers damp earth like notes intermixed with scents of kirsch liqueur, licorice and pepper. This wine explodes at the back of the palate after a subtle and restrained attack. With a huge finish as well as loads of richness and extract, it should drink well during its first decade of life. Drink: 2006 to 2016. Last tasted, 10/06. Rating, 94. RP

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#26 Post by J.Vizuete » November 5th, 2018, 7:36 pm

I would just do whatever GregT says ;)
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#27 Post by larry schaffer » November 5th, 2018, 7:43 pm

mattlock wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 3:11 pm
Ok here's the scenario...friends hosting a get together where Grenache is the focus via a blind tasting (spicy lamb being served). The rules:

1) Everyone brings two bottles in paper bags
2) Under $30 per bottle
3) Must be 100% Grenache
4) Any region
5) All wines blind tasted (only 1 of 2 bottles is opened)
6) Votes tallied at end of night and winner takes home everyone's second bottle.

First off, I must win.

Second, I'm based in LA so feel a handful will bring domestic Cali Grenache and rest will do French CdR therefore I was leaning towards going a different route, maybe Priorat so if anyone has any great sub $30 suggestions in that world or if something else I'm not considering.

Thanks ahead of time [help.gif]
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#28 Post by Robert M yers » November 5th, 2018, 8:04 pm

Yeah but you’ll have to sell them at that price to everybody in the group forever if your wine wins for him to keep the secret.

How about Mcprice Myers, I havent ordered from them for years, but they had great crowd pleasing stuff for good value at one time. Villa creek would be another that I could see winning a tasting like this, but I’m not sure if they are 100% or still under $30.

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#29 Post by larry schaffer » November 5th, 2018, 8:10 pm

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Yeah but you’ll have to sell them at that price to everybody in the group forever if your wine wins for him to keep the secret.

How about Mcprice Myers, I havent ordered from them for years, but they had great crowd pleasing stuff for good value at one time. Villa creek would be another that I could see winning a tasting like this, but I’m not sure if they are 100% or still under $30.
McPrice might fit the bill, and would most likely be available. If not, Sans Liege or Groundworks would be a good choice. Villa Creek's Garnacha usually comes in above the $30 range . . .

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#30 Post by Jeremy Holmes » November 5th, 2018, 8:17 pm

there are some very good Grenache wines coming out of The Barossa and McLaren Vale. Not sure what your local retailer may have but it may be worth throwing a couple in to the tasting.
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#31 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 5th, 2018, 8:38 pm

For about $8 or $9, go to Total Wine and buy a bottle of the Spanish "Evodia" Garnacha. You (and others) might be surprised at how well it shows.
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#32 Post by Brandon R » November 6th, 2018, 9:26 am

Think about Washington. This was an all-Grenache tasting we did last year: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=146098&p=2410760&hi ... e#p2410760

In, or near, your price range was Maison Bleue 'Le Midi' Grenache. The Greaches (and a WBer to boot) from Ocelli Cellars showed really well too.
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#33 Post by Anton D » November 6th, 2018, 9:38 am

32 dollars if you shop around, you can call it a small white lie about 30 dollars.

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#34 Post by Michael Martin » November 6th, 2018, 12:34 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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For about $8 or $9, go to Total Wine and buy a bottle of the Spanish "Evodia" Garnacha. You (and others) might be surprised at how well it shows.
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#35 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » November 6th, 2018, 1:15 pm

I understand the logic of demanding 100% grenache. But it virtually takes the Southern Rhone off the table. There are some CdPs that are 100% grenache, but they are all well north of $30 a bottle. Gigondas, like Vacqueyras, Cairanne, Plan de Dieu, etc. are all not allowed by their AOCS to make wines out of only one variety, so while the grenache percentages may be quite high, they will not be 100%. One can find CDRs at 100% grenache, but they are few and far between. Of course, you don't have to have Southern Rhones, but without them, you are missing one of the primary areas that put grenache on the map.

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#36 Post by David Mc » November 6th, 2018, 2:29 pm

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Cannonau de Sardegna would be great, definitely good options under 30 bucks in that area
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#37 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 6th, 2018, 2:31 pm

Michael Martin wrote:
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Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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For about $8 or $9, go to Total Wine and buy a bottle of the Spanish "Evodia" Garnacha. You (and others) might be surprised at how well it shows.
Sicky sweet IMHO.
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#38 Post by larry schaffer » November 6th, 2018, 5:48 pm

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I understand the logic of demanding 100% grenache. But it virtually takes the Southern Rhone off the table. There are some CdPs that are 100% grenache, but they are all well north of $30 a bottle. Gigondas, like Vacqueyras, Cairanne, Plan de Dieu, etc. are all not allowed by their AOCS to make wines out of only one variety, so while the grenache percentages may be quite high, they will not be 100%. One can find CDRs at 100% grenache, but they are few and far between. Of course, you don't have to have Southern Rhones, but without them, you are missing one of the primary areas that put grenache on the map.
That certainly is true . . . But if you are truly trying to compare grenaches, you need to talk apples vs apples. Perhaps he can find a heavily discounted bottle of Pignan!!!
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#39 Post by J Carroll » November 6th, 2018, 6:44 pm

If you have any second thoughts about bringing a CA Grenache the Dashe Les Enfants Terribles could do it. Should be an easy find just under the $30 limit too.
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#40 Post by Justin S » November 6th, 2018, 9:00 pm

Planetes de Nin Amfora if you can find it. Might be $35 though.
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IMO, the Bernebeleva wines punch way above their weight. I haven't had this particular bottling, but the $15 bottle is screaming value and their 2 top cuvees (Arroyo del Tortolas and Vina Bonitas) are stunning beauties. All about finesse and balance with a fair bit of structure - great for a grenache blind line-up...
The finish on green label bottling you linked to is a bit hot and even after an hour the wine was a bit disjointed. Drank a bit better after a chill. The two upper cuvees you mentioned are indeed very nice though.
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#41 Post by Kyle Whitney » November 7th, 2018, 4:52 am

I like Grenache, in fact prefer it to Bordeau these days. Generally, I lean toward a GSM blend such as Vacqueyras or Cote du Rhone. But we have been exploring Garnachas these days. I found a very pleasant Priorat worth mentioning, La Cartuja Priorat 2015. Good value, too at about $15. Well balanced, not strongly fruity.

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#42 Post by Gerhard P. » November 7th, 2018, 8:02 am

Michae1 P0wers wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 6:58 pm
Yeah, I don't know how many pure Grenache Rhone wines you'll find, but I'll suggest Domaine des Tours Vaucluse, which is under $30 and can be great. '11 is drinking well, '12 and '13 still quite young.
Sure it´s great, but I doubt it is more than 60% Grenache (variable due to the vintage), the rest is Counoise, Cinsault, Syrah and even Merlot !
Also the Vacqueyras is only close to 80-90& Grenache.
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Also hard to find a Gigondas (or Cairanne or Rastau) with 100% Gr. under 30,-
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#43 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 7th, 2018, 8:17 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
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Michae1 P0wers wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 6:58 pm
Yeah, I don't know how many pure Grenache Rhone wines you'll find, but I'll suggest Domaine des Tours Vaucluse, which is under $30 and can be great. '11 is drinking well, '12 and '13 still quite young.
Sure it´s great, but I doubt it is more than 60% Grenache (variable due to the vintage), the rest is Counoise, Cinsault, Syrah and even Merlot !
Also the Vacqueyras is only close to 80-90& Grenache.
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Also hard to find a Gigondas (or Cairanne or Rastau) with 100% Gr. under 30,-
Thanks Gerhard, I thought you might contribute the details on that. It is excellent though, and a good value even at the price we see it here. I really didn't think it was pure Grenache.

The Vacqueyras at 80-90% is still going to be higher in percentage than many domestic versions labeled as "grenache" but the Vacqueyras is going to be more than $30 in the US.

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#44 Post by Scott E. » November 7th, 2018, 8:40 am

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Think about Washington. This was an all-Grenache tasting we did last year: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=146098&p=2410760&hi ... e#p2410760

In, or near, your price range was Maison Bleue 'Le Midi' Grenache. The Greaches (and a WBer to boot) from Ocelli Cellars showed really well too.
+1 - this is a really good Grenache - don't know about current pricing though. Cheers!
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#45 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » November 7th, 2018, 9:03 am

If you can find Chateau des Tours CDR (as opposed to the Domaines des Tours VdP) in the US for under $30, please let me know where. It is typically around $40. And the Vacqueyras is around $70.

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#46 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 7th, 2018, 9:31 am

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
November 7th, 2018, 9:03 am
If you can find Chateau des Tours CDR (as opposed to the Domaines des Tours VdP) in the US for under $30, please let me know where. It is typically around $40. And the Vacqueyras is around $70.
I don't think anyone said it could be found for that price. I suggested the Vaucluse which I've found in the low $20s before, and Gerhard mentioned that the Vacqueyras had a higher percentage of grenache. I forgot that there were three wines though. I've seen the CdR and VdP locally (though I think the CdR was over $50 here) but never the Vacqueyras. I've only bought the least expensive of the three but really enjoyed it. I seem to remember someone mentioning in the past though that these are very inexpensive if purchased in France.

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#47 Post by Brandon R » November 7th, 2018, 9:42 am

I'll say it again: Ocelli Cellars. Here's the order page: http://www.ocellicellars.com/shop-1/201 ... y-grenache

100% Grenache. $30 retail. Has a couple of years' age on it.
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#48 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » November 7th, 2018, 11:24 am

Michae1 P0wers wrote:
November 7th, 2018, 9:31 am
Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
November 7th, 2018, 9:03 am
If you can find Chateau des Tours CDR (as opposed to the Domaines des Tours VdP) in the US for under $30, please let me know where. It is typically around $40. And the Vacqueyras is around $70.
I don't think anyone said it could be found for that price. I suggested the Vaucluse which I've found in the low $20s before, and Gerhard mentioned that the Vacqueyras had a higher percentage of grenache. I forgot that there were three wines though. I've seen the CdR and VdP locally (though I think the CdR was over $50 here) but never the Vacqueyras. I've only bought the least expensive of the three but really enjoyed it. I seem to remember someone mentioning in the past though that these are very inexpensive if purchased in France.
Real bargains in France. The VDP is around 9 Euros, the CDR 14 or so and the Vacqueyras 25 or 27. Those are steep prices if you compare the CDR to all other CDRs or the Vacqueyras to all other Vacqueyrases, but in terms of QPR, they are quite impressive. The mark-up here is a little bit stunning.

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#49 Post by Gerhard P. » November 8th, 2018, 10:08 am

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
November 7th, 2018, 11:24 am


Real bargains in France. The VDP is around 9 Euros, the CDR 14 or so and the Vacqueyras 25 or 27. Those are steep prices if you compare the CDR to all other CDRs or the Vacqueyras to all other Vacqueyrases, but in terms of QPR, they are quite impressive. The mark-up here is a little bit stunning.
VDP 8,75 € (2014)
CDR 13,50 (2014)
Vacq 26,- (2011)
all off domaine - incl. VAT!

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#50 Post by Claus Jeppesen » November 8th, 2018, 10:13 am

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