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Re: Best North American sparklers?

#51 Post by Mike Kuller » October 19th, 2018, 12:36 pm

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I do think at the low price point, Domain Chandon and Mumm sparklers (particularly the rose ones) at $15 or whatever are a great buy. Good for non-wine type parties, brunches, picnics, etc.
Funny, just picked up a Mumm Brut Rose at Safeway for a Halloween party. I was thinking about getting a Roederer Estate L'Ermitage, but then I asked myself "why?"
Wrong question.

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#52 Post by Kirk.Grant » October 19th, 2018, 12:38 pm

Back in early 2010 I had a bottle of 1987 Argyle Blanc de Blanc Cuve Limited that was one of the best sparkling wines I've had from the US. It tasted so young and brilliant. It blew past a bottle of 1988 de Venoge Champagne Louis d'Or Millésime Brut like a Ferrari passing a pedestrian.
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#53 Post by M. Dildine » October 19th, 2018, 12:40 pm

Mike Kuller wrote:
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M. Dildine wrote:
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I do think at the low price point, Domain Chandon and Mumm sparklers (particularly the rose ones) at $15 or whatever are a great buy. Good for non-wine type parties, brunches, picnics, etc.
Funny, just picked up a Mumm Brut Rose at Safeway for a Halloween party. I was thinking about getting a Roederer Estate L'Ermitage, but then I asked myself "why?"
Wrong question.

Should have been “Why not?”
Because the L'Ermitage is much more expensive and most people at the party would probably prefer the Mumm?
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#54 Post by Matt K » October 19th, 2018, 1:08 pm

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Outside of California, Argyle comes to mind. For something outside of the West Coast, L. Mawby in the Traverse City Michigan area does some nice stuff.
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#55 Post by JeffK » October 19th, 2018, 1:38 pm

I'll second the L. Mawby recommendation. Also from Michigan I really liked the White Pine Winery Chardonnay Effervescence and the Karma Vista Vineyards Pinot Noir Peace, Love & Bubbles.

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#56 Post by C. Mc Cart » October 19th, 2018, 1:51 pm

For some interesting Canadian Content.

The sparkling wines of:
13th Street, Niagara, Ontario
Hinterland, Prince Edward County, Ontario
Benjamin Bridge, Nova Scotia
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#57 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 19th, 2018, 2:26 pm

C. Mc Cart wrote:
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For some interesting Canadian Content.

The sparkling wines of:
13th Street, Niagara, Ontario
Hinterland, Prince Edward County, Ontario
Benjamin Bridge, Nova Scotia
Thanks Chris, I'm in Toronto regularly, and will have to check these out.

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#58 Post by Doug Schulman » October 19th, 2018, 3:01 pm

I think the top wines from Schramsberg are probably the best, but I'm not a buyer at those prices. I can get really excellent Champagne for the same price that is better. The next tier for me is probably Roederer Estate L'Ermitage, although I do think some vintages of Westport Rivers Blanc de Blancs, grown and produced in Massachusetts, come very close for significantly less money ($30). Really, every vintage I've had is very good, but the 2001 might be better than anything I've had from Roederer Estate. I think Westport's BdB is better than anything I've had from the Finger Lakes.
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#59 Post by Steve Nordhoff » October 19th, 2018, 4:50 pm

Schramsberg's Rose is excellent, especially since they make close to 10,000 cases.
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#60 Post by Kris Patten » October 19th, 2018, 6:41 pm

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#61 Post by Siun o'Connell » October 19th, 2018, 6:57 pm

Opened a 2017 Sparkling Deming Valdiguié today from Cruse ... poured for colleagues who range from a serious champagne lady to young guys who mostly drink beer ... everyone smiled soooooo much! What a lovely sparkler ... and the Fall Cruse allocations are still open ... heading there now!

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#62 Post by Rick Allen » October 19th, 2018, 8:32 pm

I've found just about every North American sparkler to be too sweet and expensive for my palate. I would rather buy Champagne at similar prices.

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#63 Post by jcoley3 » October 19th, 2018, 8:58 pm

I'm more inclined to drink Mumm's American sparkling wines than their Champagnes. The rose is very good for the price.

Roederer does great work. Scharffenberger can be good, but not as consistently.

I like Under The Wire Brosseau, though it is to Champagne what California Chardonnay is to Burgundy in style.

Argyle Extended Tirage is also pretty damn good. There's a new vintage due soon. And speaking of Argyle, Rollin Soles, who made their sparkling program special, has his own label called ROCO that's very good. The Elk Cove 2011 rose mentioned above is excellent.
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#64 Post by jcoley3 » October 19th, 2018, 8:59 pm

In the Pet-Nat style, Broc Cellars and Field Recordings do some fun ones. Donkey & Goat, too.
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#65 Post by Jonathan H » October 20th, 2018, 9:45 am

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x2 on the Soter. Recently had a 2011 Soter Blanc de Blancs Mineral Springs Ranch and it was outstanding.
I've always really enjoyed Soter's Mineral Springs Brut Rose. Definitely one of the better North American Sparklers
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#66 Post by Michae1 P0wers » October 20th, 2018, 11:16 am

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I'm more inclined to drink Mumm's American sparkling wines than their Champagnes. The rose is very good for the price.

Roederer does great work. Scharffenberger can be good, but not as consistently.

I like Under The Wire Brosseau, though it is to Champagne what California Chardonnay is to Burgundy in style.

Argyle Extended Tirage is also pretty damn good. There's a new vintage due soon. And speaking of Argyle, Rollin Soles, who made their sparkling program special, has his own label called ROCO that's very good. The Elk Cove 2011 rose mentioned above is excellent.
I'm not much on American sparklers, almost always finding them too ripe and round. I'd usually rather have Cava for far less $$. The base Roederer is okay, but just that. I would agree that for domestic rose tends to be better than white, handling the ripeness better for my tastes.

With regard to Mumm Champagne though, I recently found Mumm's cuvee Privilege for under $17, and it's actually good. Not just good for the price, but actually good. Much better than I remember the basic Cordon Rouge being in the past. Bought a case but I should have bought more.

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#67 Post by Kris Patten » October 20th, 2018, 1:50 pm

Fairly young sparkling wine company, 2012, in WA we started working with 3 months ago, Treveri, all Methode Champenoise. Dad grew up in Trier making Sekt, so definitely a clean crisp profile, they make a wide range from $14 to $30, BdB Brut and Brut Zero, Rose Sec, BdN, they see min. 2 years bottle aging, and then some varietals: Riesling, Gewurtz, Muller Thurgau and Gruner. Have a 5 year on lees BdB coming called Luxus.

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#68 Post by Karen Troisi » October 21st, 2018, 1:08 pm

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Domaine Carneros Le Reve Late Disgorged is pretty dang tasty from what I remember
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#69 Post by Otto Dobre » October 21st, 2018, 5:26 pm

I remember that Jason B. Lewis was very fond of Equinox out of WA.

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#70 Post by Arv R » October 21st, 2018, 5:56 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
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New Mexico. Gruet is great.
Sadly, this is no longer the case IMHO.
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#71 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 21st, 2018, 6:41 pm

non-commercial post: Equinox (from the Santa Cruz Mountains, not Washington) is made by my friend and sometimes colleague Barry Jackson. In theory, I can sell it, but I've never sold a bottle. However I've drunk cases and cases.

IMO it has been the best sparkling wine made in the western hemisphere. I say 'has been', because the last vintage, currently available, is 2001. This is a 100% Chardonnay, aged 15 years 'en tirage'. I believe front line retail is ~$75 - 100. Tell Barry I suggested it and that might go down a few bucks. Please taste it blind against any Champagne at a comparable age and price.

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Gruet used to be New Mexico. It's now Appellation America and IMO not remotely as good. Sorry to say, but avoid IMO.
Mountain Dome from Washington was superb, did not survive the founder and owner.
I agree that Argyle is exemplary and good value.
Kudos to Roederer Estate. When the Big Boyz (Moet, Mumm, Piper) went to Napa and Sonoma, Roederer went to the best terroir, the then virtually unknown Anderson Valley. The results are in the bottle.
Having said that, Domaine Chandon is usually actually pretty good.
Chandon went to Argentina long before California and makes superb bubbly there, but stopped shipping it to the U.S. because it would have completely killed sales of Domaine Chandon.
Schramsberg is consistently fine, but not cheap. OTOH, their second label 'Mirabelle' is very good quality and value.

I almost don't want to post this name, for various reasons, but:
Korbel Russian River Valley sparklers are hands down the best value American sparklers. They are hard to find and absurdly cheap.
I'm drinking a lot less bubbly for various reasons and haven't had one of these in a few years. I'm not sure the word 'Natural' is always associated with the RRV bottlings. But if it says 'Korbel' and 'Russian River Valley', you are in for an astonishing treat.

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#72 Post by jcoley3 » October 21st, 2018, 6:48 pm

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With regard to Mumm Champagne though, I recently found Mumm's cuvee Privilege for under $17, and it's actually good. Not just good for the price, but actually good. Much better than I remember the basic Cordon Rouge being in the past. Bought a case but I should have bought more.
Maybe Mumm's base wine has improved. That's (IIRC) their BTG bottling, which is essentially Cordon Rouge. I wrote the latter off when my date at a New Year's Party said it "tasted like someone stopped by QuikTrip" for it, but that was a while ago. They did put out a pretty good BdB back in the day, so they are capable.
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Fairly young sparkling wine company, 2012, in WA we started working with 3 months ago, Treveri, all Methode Champenoise. Dad grew up in Trier making Sekt, so definitely a clean crisp profile, they make a wide range from $14 to $30, BdB Brut and Brut Zero, Rose Sec, BdN, they see min. 2 years bottle aging, and then some varietals: Riesling, Gewurtz, Muller Thurgau and Gruner. Have a 5 year on lees BdB coming called Luxus.

Working on some plantings of their own too.
Been through their line-up twice. The super dry stuff was tough the first time, but they're getting better. The Germanic stuff was pretty good, especially for customers looking for a little RS.
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#73 Post by jcoley3 » October 21st, 2018, 6:52 pm

Dan Kravitz wrote:
October 21st, 2018, 6:41 pm

Mountain Dome from Washington was superb, did not survive the founder and owner.
I agree that Argyle is exemplary and good value.
Kudos to Roederer Estate. When the Big Boyz (Moet, Mumm, Piper) went to Napa and Sonoma, Roederer went to the best terroir, the then virtually unknown Anderson Valley. The results are in the bottle.
Having said that, Domaine Chandon is usually actually pretty good.
Chandon went to Argentina long before California and makes superb bubbly there, but stopped shipping it to the U.S. because it would have completely killed sales of Domaine Chandon.
Mountain Dome! I miss those wines. Great values.

+1 on Roederer Estate (again). L'Ermitage is excellent.

Every time I have been to Mendoza, the Argentinians I have been with have always been super-excited about showing off Chandon. They are very good for the money.
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#74 Post by Michae1 P0wers » October 22nd, 2018, 6:58 am

jcoley3 wrote:
October 21st, 2018, 6:48 pm
Michae1 P0wers wrote:
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With regard to Mumm Champagne though, I recently found Mumm's cuvee Privilege for under $17, and it's actually good. Not just good for the price, but actually good. Much better than I remember the basic Cordon Rouge being in the past. Bought a case but I should have bought more.
Maybe Mumm's base wine has improved. That's (IIRC) their BTG bottling, which is essentially Cordon Rouge. I wrote the latter off when my date at a New Year's Party said it "tasted like someone stopped by QuikTrip" for it, but that was a while ago. They did put out a pretty good BdB back in the day, so they are capable.
That's right Jim. I posted a question here asking for advice before buying any because my experience in the past with Mumm was also not good and there was little information out there about this bottling. Brad Baker explained the bottling, said that there was significant improvement at Mumm, and that it was a very good buy at that price. It was good advice. For me to find something sparkling at that price I really like I should stock up, because otherwise I'm usually going under $10 for Cava or minimum $30 for what I consider to be the entry point for Champagnes that I actually enjoy, which for the past couple of years has been Ployez-Jacquemart NV or Aubry NV.

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#75 Post by Ian Brand » October 22nd, 2018, 9:00 am

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I'll second Dan's recommendation of Barry Jackson's sparklers. They tend to be broad with lots of lees aging, and in that style remarkably good.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Caraccioli bubblers. They have received repeated international recognition and are the closest thing we have in America to grower fizz. Or, they are grower fizz. SLH appellation, tons of acid, with every care taken in the winery for exceptional bubbles. Current release is 2012.
On a tiny side note, Ryan Beauregard's little sparkling run from the Ben Lomond Mountain AVA shows a lot of promise. You probably have to go to the tasting room and butter up Ryan to get one. His stuff sells out.
Outside of that, my wife, who is a sparkling nut, goes for the Roederer Blanc de Noirs out of the grocery store cooler. Dollar for dollar, it's great.
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#76 Post by Mike Grammer » October 22nd, 2018, 9:37 am

C. Mc Cart wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 1:51 pm
For some interesting Canadian Content.

The sparkling wines of:
13th Street, Niagara, Ontario
Hinterland, Prince Edward County, Ontario
Benjamin Bridge, Nova Scotia
Yes indeed, concur on 13th Street and Benjamin Bridge. For me, also add much of what Kew Estate is doing and Westcott's Brilliant (the first Ontario sparkler that I felt needed true ageing) and Violette.

I've had one Under the Wire, it was solid. Have had a few Ultramarines---one very good one (11 I think) and the others good.
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#77 Post by dougwilder » October 22nd, 2018, 12:57 pm

James Frey's Pashey are excellent, as is the collaboration between Ryan Deovlet and McPrice Myers. I would however crawl over broken glass for 1987 Schramsberg LD...
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#78 Post by Jeffrey Neal » October 22nd, 2018, 1:07 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
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Can anyone provide commentary on Chandon's wines?
Not bad, but not in the class of Schramsberg. I did a blind tasting of a few domestic sparkling wines tasting with friends a couple of years ago (Schramsberg, Chandon and 1 or 2 others. Clear winner was Schramsberg. If I remember correctly, Chandon finished behind Gloria Ferrer.

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#79 Post by Jeffrey Neal » October 22nd, 2018, 1:10 pm

Schramsberg is my favorite producer. Most recent bottle I opened was a 2006 Blanc de Noirs Late Disgorged and it was excellent. Wish I had another bottle...

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#80 Post by K John Joseph » October 22nd, 2018, 1:32 pm

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Schramsberg is my favorite producer. Most recent bottle I opened was a 2006 Blanc de Noirs Late Disgorged and it was excellent. Wish I had another bottle...
Just had a 2006 Blanc des Blancs late disgorged this weekend. Lovely wine with yeasty bread notes, rich apple tart, sniff of sherry, hint of honeysuckle with good cut.
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#81 Post by Blake Brown » October 22nd, 2018, 2:13 pm

The aforementioned Roederer L`Ermitage plus their Brut and Brut Rose are consistently good and I love the Scharffenberger Brut Rose. As with Chris, I liked the Mumm DVX, but its been many years since the last one. Also, used to drink Argyle, but not in the last 10 years.
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#82 Post by Kris Patten » October 23rd, 2018, 7:19 am

One I havent seen mentioned is Iron Horse in Green Valley, they do some late disgorged and have a history of wines with some real age on them, I think I have had back to 1991.
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#83 Post by James Cross » October 23rd, 2018, 7:53 am

Iron Horse used to bottle a version called the "Wedding Cuvee." I took it to weddings. Not sure if they followed up with a "Divorce Cuvee."

No chatter about some of the new sparklers that have hit the market in the last couple of years. Some of you might have received Diana Lee's (Adam's wife) email for her new sparkling project. Others in Sonoma are introducing sparklers. Ditto for Central Coast with Sanford, Loring, Riverbench, and now Talley joining the fray. As long as you have chard and pinot grapes, this is a possibility and some of the wineries are growing a bit of pinot meunier. I've tasted some of these wines and they are pretty good, but also expensive (up to around $70). Why not just buy Champagne or established California sparklers like Domaine Carneros?

One of the things propelling the introduction of these wines is new sparkling wine production facilities, basically sparkling wine coops. Individual wineries don't have to invest in all the equipment. Anyone visit one of those facilities??

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#84 Post by Sean Devaney » October 23rd, 2018, 8:54 am

I completely agree with Dan and Ian about Equinox-great sparklers (and don't miss Barry's still wines under the Bartolo label.)

Hard to beat Roederer Estate for a good sparkler under $20 and the latest Mumm Napa Rose has been very nice also for the $'s.

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#85 Post by Karl K » October 23rd, 2018, 9:51 pm

I have tasted Carracioli bubbles.

Good but seemed overpriced.

Are the people behind it also behind a more-we’ll-known still wine brand?

My late night memory tells me so.
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#86 Post by Gordon Fitz » October 24th, 2018, 7:34 am

Personally, I’m anxiously awaiting Domaine Serene’s new entry to the American sparkling market. I’m sure it’ll be really good stuff! champagne.gif

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#87 Post by Mark Mason » October 24th, 2018, 7:50 am

I had a case of Gruet that sat in the cellar for a decade- it was fantastic stuff with some age on it and I think it was ~$6 bottle. Sadly, I no longer enjoy their wine as others have agreed.
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#88 Post by James Lyon » October 24th, 2018, 8:02 am

Gordon Fitz wrote:
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Personally, I’m anxiously awaiting Domaine Serene’s new entry to the American sparkling market. I’m sure it’ll be really good stuff! champagne.gif
And likely more expensive than their Oregon peers.

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#89 Post by Rick Allen » October 24th, 2018, 9:04 am

James Lyon wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 8:02 am
Gordon Fitz wrote:
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Personally, I’m anxiously awaiting Domaine Serene’s new entry to the American sparkling market. I’m sure it’ll be really good stuff! champagne.gif
And likely more expensive than their Oregon peers.
Probably cheaper to just buy champagne. No doubt in five years, the they'll claim they invented sparkling wine...

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#90 Post by TomHill » October 24th, 2018, 9:42 am

lleichtman wrote:
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New Mexico. Gruet is great.
Sadly, this is no longer the case IMHO.
Agreed, not as good since they were bought out.
Some 3 yrs ago or so, Gruet was bought out by PreceptBrands, which owns Ch.StM up in WashState. Their stated intent was to triple the Gruet production.
However, the Gruet vnyd over in Engle, and all the vnyds in NM could not come close to supporting that level of production.
So if you look at the current Gruet btls, it'll state "Proudly Produced in NM", but on the back label, the truth comes out.."American Sparkling Wine".
So most of the grapes for Gruet now come from WashState and they don't, to my knowledge, make a NM Sparkling wine anymore.
I'm pretty sure, because of the logistics, Precept doesn't ship the grapes down from WashState. Whether the ship the juice or the already frmtd still wine, I don't know.
But the sparkle is put in the wine down in Albq. I'm assuming it's still MethodeChampenoise, but don't know even that for sure. Because they're cranking
out more wine, I suspect it is "sur lie" a much shorter period than it used to be.
That being said, I thing the Gruet Sparkling Wine is pretty decent and very fairly priced. Just not as good as the Gruet of old.
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#91 Post by Scott E. » October 24th, 2018, 11:08 am

+1 for L'Ermitage - I love these (and even the Roederer Estate Brut) with a few years of age on them. Another one that ages nicely IMO is Domaine Carneros. I'm just not into sparklers enough to spend serious dough on them though, so I'm probably missing out on a bunch. Cheers!
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#92 Post by Betty C » October 24th, 2018, 12:40 pm

Domaine Carneros Le Reve is a crowd-pleaser.
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#93 Post by K John Joseph » October 24th, 2018, 3:52 pm

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No chatter about some of the new sparklers that have hit the market in the last couple of years. Some of you might have received Diana Lee's (Adam's wife) email for her new sparkling project. Others in Sonoma are introducing sparklers. Ditto for Central Coast with Sanford, Loring, Riverbench, and now Talley joining the fray. As long as you have chard and pinot grapes, this is a possibility and some of the wineries are growing a bit of pinot meunier. I've tasted some of these wines and they are pretty good, but also expensive (up to around $70). Why not just buy Champagne or established California sparklers like Domaine Carneros?
I think US sparklers at facing an interesting issue...at the price points offered, do they present any value? I host charity wine tastings where the auction winner gets to invite 10 folks to a wine tasting in their home. One of the ones I did pit Roederer L'Ermitage against Pierre Peters in one of the flights. The guests overwhelmingly chose the L'Ermitage. At $45 it's a legitimate steal and, in my opinion, competes well with similarly priced bottles. For instance, I'd rather have a l'Ermitage than a Taittenger NV. I had a Delamotte NV recently (not the BdB) and would say the same in most vintages of the l'Ermitage.

At $70 you start competing with some really pretty stout champagnes. I'm not entirely positive the quality is comparable, in part because I've not had many of the wines you referenced. The closest I can personally speak about is Schramsberg. I've had wines in their lineup from $20 - $160. Some of their single vineyard stuff at $75-80 stands up well against the Billecart-Salmons and vintage Roederer and Delamotte BdB and other similar players. At the $150 level, professional critics are doling out scores to Schramsberg for their J. Schram and Late Disgorged series wines that are not inconsistent with Dom Perignon, Comtes, and the like.

I'd not had the J. Schram (the chard heavy) until earlier this year. I was blown away at the level of quality. The 2008 is really excellent. I've found myself asking, "why not give it a spin" given the quality levels I've experienced at the top end of the line so far.

Ultramarine seems to be getting gushing praise as well. Perhaps it's deserved.
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#94 Post by Rick Allen » October 25th, 2018, 9:04 pm

I'm not surprised that the L'Ermitage is a crowd pleaser vs Champagne. Americans tend to like a little residual sugar in their wine. I see it all the time in the white wines I drink. Anything made in volume has a little RS left in. My daughter used to sit in on the dosage trials at Argyle. The favored blend was always, much to her chagrin, too sweet for her palate, and nowhere near the driest alternative.

At $45 or less, I'm going with Marie Courtin Resonance or a number of others every time.

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#95 Post by K John Joseph » October 26th, 2018, 7:30 am

Rick Allen wrote:
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I'm not surprised that the L'Ermitage is a crowd pleaser vs Champagne. Americans tend to like a little residual sugar in their wine. I see it all the time in the white wines I drink. Anything made in volume has a little RS left in. My daughter used to sit in on the dosage trials at Argyle. The favored blend was always, much to her chagrin, too sweet for her palate, and nowhere near the driest alternative.

At $45 or less, I'm going with Marie Courtin Resonance or a number of others every time.
11 g/l is pretty high dosage. True.
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#96 Post by PeterH » October 26th, 2018, 9:10 am

James Lyon wrote:
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Personally, I’m anxiously awaiting Domaine Serene’s new entry to the American sparkling market. I’m sure it’ll be really good stuff! champagne.gif
And likely more expensive than their Oregon peers.
A number of Willamette Valley wineries have been introducing sparklers. I just recently got an e-mail offering from Trisaetum. Le Cadeau and Roco have had one for a while. The only one I've had are Rose and BdB from Soter, which is quite good, and a small taste of the Roco, OK, but not memorable.
All of them are much more expensive than readily available Champagne of equivalent quality. Argyle is much too fruit forward and heavy textured. As much as I like drinking local, domestic sparklers are a rare purchase for me.
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#97 Post by Rick Allen » October 26th, 2018, 9:51 am

One of the former assistant winemakers at Argyle now helps other local wineries make sparkling wine. What was once completely unaffordable is now at least reasonably in reach.

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#98 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 26th, 2018, 12:32 pm

NickRut wrote:
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Best I’ve had is Schramsberg.
My answer exactly.
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#99 Post by Tran Bronstein » October 26th, 2018, 9:30 pm

C. Mc Cart wrote:
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For some interesting Canadian Content.

The sparkling wines of:
13th Street, Niagara, Ontario
Hinterland, Prince Edward County, Ontario
Benjamin Bridge, Nova Scotia
Native Torontonian here adding one more to the list of Canadian sparking wine you should check out while you're here:

* KEW Vineyards
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#100 Post by Russ Williams » October 27th, 2018, 12:44 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:
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Rhys sparkling? I'm intrigued.
Yes, it is true. We have been collaborating with Rodolphe Peters (of Pierre Peters) on a Rhys estate sparkling program and plan to offer our first sparkler next summer. It has been a lot of fun!
Well this is certainly interesting news. All chard, combination of chard & pinot, vineyard source(s)?
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