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Best North American sparklers?

#1 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 18th, 2018, 1:28 pm

I think I've got a good line on the best French champagnes with all the great posts on this board and reviews in the marketplace. But what about North American sparklers? What are some of the best in your opinion? With the understanding, of course, that they're very different from Champagne and may not come close to le meilleur de la France.

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#2 Post by NickRut » October 18th, 2018, 1:31 pm

Best I’ve had is Schramsberg.
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#3 Post by Paul Flynn » October 18th, 2018, 1:32 pm

I like the Roederer Estate L'Ermitage.
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#4 Post by M. Dildine » October 18th, 2018, 1:35 pm

Paul Flynn wrote:
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I like the Roederer Estate L'Ermitage.
I've always liked this one. Also a fan of "Under the Wire." Kevin Harvey (Rhys) will be releasing a sparkler soon, or so I'm told.
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#5 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 18th, 2018, 1:36 pm

Rhys sparkling? I'm intrigued.

Had plenty of Schrams, which we like. Also Ultramarine. Haven't tried the Roederer, but heard good things.

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#6 Post by Anthony V » October 18th, 2018, 1:50 pm

Agree with Schramsberg. In particular, I recently had the 2008 J. Schram Rosé which was pretty spectacular. They also just released a 2000 J. Schram Late Disgorged that I am looking forward to trying.

Also this is my first post newhere
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#7 Post by Bdklein » October 18th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Anthony V wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:50 pm
Agree with Schramsberg. In particular, I recently had the 2008 J. Schram Rosé which was pretty spectacular. They also just released a 2000 J. Schram Late Disgorged that I am looking forward to trying.

Also this is my first post newhere
Welcome aboard. Big fan of J. Schram (just not the price ).
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#8 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 18th, 2018, 1:55 pm

Ultramarine, then the Roederer Estate L'Ermitage
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#9 Post by NickRut » October 18th, 2018, 2:04 pm

Anthony V wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:50 pm
Agree with Schramsberg. In particular, I recently had the 2008 J. Schram Rosé which was pretty spectacular. They also just released a 2000 J. Schram Late Disgorged that I am looking forward to trying.

Also this is my first post newhere


Had a bottle of the Late Disgorged 2001 Reserve - was pretty unbelievable. Not cheap though. Their wine club is actually a pretty decent deal if you like their wines. Free shipping and a pretty significant discount.
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#10 Post by Kevin Harvey » October 18th, 2018, 2:09 pm

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Rhys sparkling? I'm intrigued.
Yes, it is true. We have been collaborating with Rodolphe Peters (of Pierre Peters) on a Rhys estate sparkling program and plan to offer our first sparkler next summer. It has been a lot of fun!
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#11 Post by Anthony V » October 18th, 2018, 2:11 pm

NickRut wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 2:04 pm
Anthony V wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:50 pm
Agree with Schramsberg. In particular, I recently had the 2008 J. Schram Rosé which was pretty spectacular. They also just released a 2000 J. Schram Late Disgorged that I am looking forward to trying.

Also this is my first post newhere


Had a bottle of the Late Disgorged 2001 Reserve - was pretty unbelievable. Not cheap though. Their wine club is actually a pretty decent deal if you like their wines. Free shipping and a pretty significant discount.
Yeah I am a member which does help with the price. I think the 2000 J Scram was about $150 for members.

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#12 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 18th, 2018, 2:12 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 2:09 pm
Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:36 pm
Rhys sparkling? I'm intrigued.
Yes, it is true. We have been collaborating with Rodolphe Peters (of Pierre Peters) on a Rhys estate sparkling program and plan to offer our first sparkler next summer. It has been a lot of fun!
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#13 Post by Dennis Atick » October 18th, 2018, 2:36 pm

Ultramarine and Under the Wire and Dirty and Rowdy Pet Nat for me.
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#14 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 18th, 2018, 2:58 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 2:09 pm
Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:36 pm
Rhys sparkling? I'm intrigued.
Yes, it is true. We have been collaborating with Rodolphe Peters (of Pierre Peters) on a Rhys estate sparkling program and plan to offer our first sparkler next summer. It has been a lot of fun!
Kevin, that is exciting. Look forward to trying these.

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#15 Post by Bob Hoelting » October 18th, 2018, 3:05 pm

Paul Flynn wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:32 pm
I like the Roederer Estate L'Ermitage.
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#16 Post by T. Altmayer » October 18th, 2018, 3:11 pm

Roederer Estate L'Ermitage as well. J. Schram is very nice, but not a great QPR.
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#17 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 18th, 2018, 3:20 pm

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#18 Post by Anton D » October 18th, 2018, 3:24 pm

Anthony V wrote:
October 18th, 2018, 1:50 pm
Agree with Schramsberg. In particular, I recently had the 2008 J. Schram Rosé which was pretty spectacular. They also just released a 2000 J. Schram Late Disgorged that I am looking forward to trying.

Also this is my first post new here
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I agree with all the above, Under the Wire really surprised me! I bought it on a lark and was knocked out, so grateful for that fateful day! Schramsberg has gotten even better in my time in the hobby. (I mean that as continued achievement, not that it was ever crap then got good.) Roderer is dependably great.

I am prone to like the Domaine Carneros selections, as well. The setting may have an effect, I admit.

Argyle blanc de blanc is worthy.

Again, it might be the setting, but drinking J in the Bubble Room makes me appreciate their line.

There are some good "one offs," as well...I enjoy Williams Selyem when they make it.
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#19 Post by Steve Gautier » October 18th, 2018, 4:08 pm

Schramsberg (club member) and Under the Wire here
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#20 Post by David Glasser » October 18th, 2018, 8:06 pm

Another vote for Schramsberg J Schram.

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#21 Post by Otto Dobre » October 18th, 2018, 8:15 pm

Gloria Ferrer Royal Cuvee and Roederer Rose.

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#22 Post by James Lyon » October 18th, 2018, 8:36 pm

Full disclosure because I'm a club member, but I shared a bottle of the 2011 Elk Cove Sparkling at my cousins wedding in early August. I'm not a sparkling fan, but this was outstanding with a lengthy finish of strawberries galore. Elk Cove doesn't produce a sparkling wine every year. The current vintage is 2015, but it's my understanding based on a tasting with Adam Campbell last March that Elk Cove is producing multiple sparklers from the 2016 vintage.

I concur with the Argyle recommendation and I'll add Soter to the list. There are a few other Oregon folks producing sparklers these days. I tried a few of the Trisaetum sparklers at the winery this summer, but they were only small tastes and not enough to give an opinion.

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#23 Post by Todd F r e n c h » October 18th, 2018, 8:41 pm

2009 Schramsberg J. Schram Rose and Schramsber Reserve
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#24 Post by Frank Z » October 18th, 2018, 9:33 pm

Domaine Carneros Le Reve Late Disgorged is pretty dang tasty from what I remember
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#25 Post by Jason T » October 18th, 2018, 9:44 pm

Outside of California, Argyle comes to mind. For something outside of the West Coast, L. Mawby in the Traverse City Michigan area does some nice stuff.
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#26 Post by Leonard Taylor » October 19th, 2018, 3:01 am

New Mexico. Gruet is great.
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#27 Post by Joe S. » October 19th, 2018, 4:28 am

My local preferences are Argyle Extended Tirage and Roederer Estate L'Ermitage.
Gloria Ferrer, J, and Domaine Carneros make some decent, less expensive wines, and then Gruet is cheap but tasty.
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#28 Post by Siun o'Connell » October 19th, 2018, 5:33 am

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Ultramarine and Under the Wire and Dirty and Rowdy Pet Nat for me.
Seconding Dirty and Rowdy with a sigh ... I did find a few extra bottles via Flickingers, so that pleasure is not gone completely yet.

My first Under the Wire is shipping now - really looking forward to it - and I enjoy Cruse ... in fact have a bottle chilled for a bit of celebration with some friends later today.

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#29 Post by J Dove » October 19th, 2018, 7:13 am

Joe S. wrote:
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My local preferences are Argyle Extended Tirage and Roederer Estate L'Ermitage.

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Also, for QPR, my wife swears by the base vintage Argyle in most vintages.
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#30 Post by John Glas » October 19th, 2018, 7:25 am

On the cheaper side have enjoyed the Mumm Brut Prestige for around $16

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#31 Post by Jeremy C » October 19th, 2018, 7:29 am

Leonard Taylor wrote:
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New Mexico. Gruet is great.
Sadly, this is no longer the case IMHO.
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#32 Post by K John Joseph » October 19th, 2018, 7:46 am

We drink a lot of US sparklers at our house. The Schramsberg club offers quite a few sparklers that are around the price of the Roederer L'Ermitage. I'm not convinced the lower end Schramsberg wines are worth the money, but the smaller lot production sparklers are really good, and the 2008 J. Schram is up there with similarly priced French champagnes (in my opinion). They also sell a late disgorged BdB that's supposed to be amazing (I've got some coming). I think the Roederer Estate L'Ermitage's rich yeastiness reminds me a bit of baby Krug and just love it. That's high on my list and a very consistent rich US sparkler. I feel like Iron Horse is relatively inconsistent. La Reve by Domain Carneros is a lovely sparkler, though occasionally on the leesy and almost sweet end of things. Still, I'm a fan. It is not cheap, though. At this point most top-end US bubblies are selling at about the same price as well-known French champagnes.

Not had Under the Wire, and not yet getting allocations of Ultramarine.

As for the cheapies, I really don't think you can beat Roederer Estate/Estate Rose. They're under $25 and are, in my opinion, fairly considerably qualitatively superior to their counterparts. I like Mumm Brut Prestige over Korbel at the $16 price, but those are a considerable step down. Gruet is, in my opinion, really not worth the money and has seemed to suffer a significant decrease in what quality they had. Domaine Carneros basic brut can be okay in some vintages, but lacks the consistency of Roederer Estate (imho).

I've not had Soter but Argyle's extended tirage can be quite good, as can some of their single vineyards. Their basic offering, though, is shit. It tastes like carbonated apple cider most of the time and is really not worth the $22.
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#33 Post by Mike Kuller » October 19th, 2018, 8:57 am

Paul Flynn wrote:
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I like the Roederer Estate L'Ermitage.
Roederer Brut is our every week sparkler.

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#34 Post by Bdklein » October 19th, 2018, 9:19 am

Jeremy C wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 7:29 am
Leonard Taylor wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 3:01 am
New Mexico. Gruet is great.
Sadly, this is no longer the case IMHO.
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#35 Post by Todd F r e n c h » October 19th, 2018, 9:22 am

Best part of this thread is that the OP states 'sparklers' plural, which is a much better request than asking for ONE single 'best', given everybody's differing opinions. A bunch of great suggestions here
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#36 Post by Paul Flynn » October 19th, 2018, 9:27 am

John Glas wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 7:25 am
On the cheaper side have enjoyed the Mumm Brut Prestige for around $16
Agreed. It's hard to beat at that price.
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#37 Post by David Glasser » October 19th, 2018, 9:29 am

Bdklein wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 9:19 am
Jeremy C wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 7:29 am
Leonard Taylor wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 3:01 am
New Mexico. Gruet is great.
Sadly, this is no longer the case IMHO.
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I never had one I’d rate excellent, but in years past they were the best of the ultra-QPRs. The recent releases are not ones I’d drink voluntarily.

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#38 Post by lleichtman » October 19th, 2018, 9:42 am

Jeremy C wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 7:29 am
Leonard Taylor wrote:
October 19th, 2018, 3:01 am
New Mexico. Gruet is great.
Sadly, this is no longer the case IMHO.
Agreed, not as good since they were bought out.
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#39 Post by lleichtman » October 19th, 2018, 9:44 am

I like J Schram late disgorged, Domaine Carneros late disgorged, but my favorite QPR is the Roederer.
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#40 Post by kyledorsey » October 19th, 2018, 9:46 am

FLX bubbly keeps getting better. Herman Wiemer is making some traditional method wines with extended lees aging that have a tasty autolytic quality. If Pet Nat is included, the field opens up even more.

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#41 Post by Phil M » October 19th, 2018, 9:57 am

We really like the Schramsberg BdNs - always a crowd pleaser whenever we open one.
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#42 Post by robert creth » October 19th, 2018, 10:52 am

Ultramarine, Under the Wire, and Lichen are my choices.

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#43 Post by Cody L » October 19th, 2018, 11:06 am

x2 on the Soter. Recently had a 2011 Soter Blanc de Blancs Mineral Springs Ranch and it was outstanding.
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#44 Post by Frank Z » October 19th, 2018, 11:16 am

Phil M wrote:
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We really like the Schramsberg BdNs - always a crowd pleaser whenever we open one.
+1 on this. I find it from Trader Joe's in my area for around $25 so it's my go-to sparkler.
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#45 Post by dsimmons » October 19th, 2018, 11:47 am

Lots of good suggestions here. My favorites have been in order, Schramsberg, Argyle, Roederer and Gloria Ferrer.
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#46 Post by Jeremy C » October 19th, 2018, 11:57 am

Can anyone provide commentary on Chandon's wines?
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#47 Post by Chris Seiber » October 19th, 2018, 12:17 pm

I recall liking the Mumm DVX from Napa. It'd probably been 15 years since I had it, though.

Anyone had that in recent memory? It's their luxury vintage sparkling wine from their USA operation.

I usually run counter to the Eurosnob view on wines, but while I've had good sparkling wines from the USA, I've never found price/quality/style combinations in USA sparkling wine that seem to compare to what you can get very easily from Champagne. I'm not saying they might not exist, but I've never really found anything that moved me enough to become a buyer.

I do think at the low price point, Domain Chandon and Mumm sparklers (particularly the rose ones) at $15 or whatever are a great buy. Good for non-wine type parties, brunches, picnics, etc.
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#48 Post by etomasi » October 19th, 2018, 12:17 pm

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October 19th, 2018, 9:46 am
FLX bubbly keeps getting better. Herman Wiemer is making some traditional method wines with extended lees aging that have a tasty autolytic quality. If Pet Nat is included, the field opens up even more.
Agree that the Finger Lakes Sparklers have gotten better and better. I've also liked the Ravines sparklers, and Red Tail Ridge makes on of my fav Pet Nats.
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#49 Post by Todd F r e n c h » October 19th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
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I recall liking the Mumm DVX from Napa. It'd probably been 15 years since I had it, though.
I seem to like it, too - this from November 2009, our first BerserkerFest at Napa Valley Wine & Cigar! (not just regular DVX, drinkin' Santana Champs cuz it's so crisp! If you don't know where that line is from, see the vid below - WARNING, NSFW language)

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#50 Post by M. Dildine » October 19th, 2018, 12:31 pm

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I do think at the low price point, Domain Chandon and Mumm sparklers (particularly the rose ones) at $15 or whatever are a great buy. Good for non-wine type parties, brunches, picnics, etc.
Funny, just picked up a Mumm Brut Rose at Safeway for a Halloween party. I was thinking about getting a Roederer Estate L'Ermitage, but then I asked myself "why?"
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