TN: Tasting With Dave & Gena..(long/boring/historical)

Tasting w/ Dave & Gena Oct 7, 2018

Dave & Gena Yates were here in NM for the BalloonFiesta this week. He’s been saving the Hallcrest Cab
to taste w/ me, so they journeyed up to Pig+Fig in WhiteRock w/ this relic. So we had a late lunch and
tried a few wines. Joining us was P+F owner/chef, Laura and her chef, Adrian. Turns out the only relic at the tasting was probably me.
So we tried:

  1. J.J.Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling (QmP, Auslese; 7.5%; A.P.Nr.2 576 511 17 06; Goldkapsule; EA) Wehlen 2005:
    Deep gold color; intense buttery/botrytis/peachy/apricotty classic botrytis Aus very complex nose; fairly tart
    very rich/lush quite sweet intense botrytis/peachy/apricotty/buttery slight pencilly quite complex flavor; very
    long/lingering somewhat tart very rich/lush quite sweet but balanced bit pencilly/buttery very complex finish;
    still pretty primary w/ lots of unresolved sugar and no signs of Mosel valve oil showing yet; a beautiful Auslese
    that still has 15-20 yrs to go yet, maybe longer. $36.00 (KK)

  1. Hallcrest CabSauv SantaCruzMtns HallcrestVnyd/SantaCruzCnty (EB; 12 1/2%) 1959: Very dark color w/ no bricking
    apparent; very strong herbal/Cab very Bdx-like some cedary/pencilly/oak bit blackcurranty/licorice quite perfumed
    very complex very youthful nose; rather tart/tangy intense herbal/Cab/dusty/OV very Bdx-like quite cedary/pencilly/
    bit oak some rustic/SCM Cab licorice/cedary/blackcurranty/Cab slight minty very structured beautiful complex flavor
    w/ some bit drying/astringent tannins; very long/lingering some herbal/Cab/rustic SCM Cab rather Bdx-like some
    licorice/blackcurranty/Cab structured beautiful complex finish w/ modest some astringent/drying tannins; still
    plenty of Cab fruit and very youthful; a beautiful piece of history.

  1. Lagier-Meredith Syrah MtVeeder/NapaVlly (14.3%; www.LagierMeredith.com) 1998: Very dark/near black color w/ no
    obvious bricking; intense blackberry/Syrah/rather peppery/very spicy bit licorice some toasty/pencilly/oak bit
    Rhonish beautiful complex nose; fairly tart bit angular/hard very spicy/blackberry/Syrah/peppery some toasty/oak
    rather complex flavor w/ light hard/grippy tannins;very long/lingering rather hard very strong blackberry/Syrah/
    very spicy/bit peppery light toasty/oak bit Rhonish some complex finish w/ modest hard/chewey tannins; still
    has plenty of that classic MtVeeder/spicy fruit; a beautiful Syrah.

  1. Jaffurs Syrah ThompsonVnyd/SBC (15.3%) 2005: Dark color w/ no bricking; very strong ripe/chocolaty very strong
    boysenberry/blackberry/Syrah licorice/milk of magnesia classic Thompson/peppery bit earthy/dusty some smokey/
    toasty/oak beautiful complex nose; fairly soft very Thompson/peppery intense blackberry/Syrah/ripe/boysenberry
    bit licorice/chocolaty slight milk of magnesia/chalky strong smokey/toasty/oak some complex flavor w/ light
    ripe/lush tannins; very long/lingering classic Thompson/peppery/spicy bit licorice/chocolaty intense blackberry/
    Syrah/boysenberry/pungent some smokey/toasty/oak complex finish w/ modest ripe tannins; no signs of alcoholic
    heat; loads of classic Thompson/peppery character; probably near its peak or a bit beyond; will go another
    4-6 yrs probably.

  1. NewlanVnyds&Wnry JohannisbergRiesling NapaVlly (LateHrvst/BunchSlctd; SaH: 35.6 Brix; RS: 18.0 Brix; 10.7%;
    130 cs) Napa 1981
    : Cork loose & dropped into the wine; very dark/brownish/light PX/Oloroso sherry color w/ lots
    of suspended fine-grained particulates; very intense botrytis/rotted peaches/apricotty bit pencilly quite complex
    beautiful nose; very tart/tangy quite sweet very intense botrytis/apricotty/rotted peaches bit pencilly/cedary
    slightly bitter complex flavor; very long/lingering very intense botrytis/apricotty/rotted peaches/peach compote
    slightly cedary/pencilly very sweet rather tart/tangy slightly bitter finish; a pretty classic example of a
    Calif TBA that will go another 10-15 yrs; seems slightly on the bitter side. $16.75/hlf (Beltramos)

More effnsipple from TheBloodyPulpit:

  1. Dave used to be the GeneralManager at Jaffurs when Craig owned it. I might mention that I followed Craig from
    (before) the very start, when he had made his first wine at the CentralCoast Wine Coop in SantaMaria. BobSenn/
    LOW&SE told me I must meet this guy and then greased the skids to do so. So LarryArchibald & I sat in the
    (old folks) rocking chairs on the LOW&SE front porch on a chilly/overcast/drizzly day and tried Craig’s Viognier
    and Syrah, which he’d just taken from barrel up at the Coop, served in Craig’s finest Reidel Gerber’s Baby Food
    jars. A class act on Craig’s part, I thought. We were impressed by the wine but even more for Craig’s enthusiasm &
    passion for Rhone varietals.
    Jaffurs was purchased in 2016 by DanGreen, who was then making Pinot & Chard in the ghetto up in Lompoc. He
    has since moved his entire winemaking down into the Jaffurs facility and will continue the Pinot & Chard, either
    under the Jaffurs label or a new, yet unnamed, label. They have recently come out w/ a new/redesingned, but
    instantly recognizable as Jaffurs, label. A tweak that has made for a classier-looking label.
    Dave was also a winemaker at Jaffurs, making some wine under the Cane Felice label. He left computer software
    when Craig realized he needed some help on the office side, so hired Dave as his GM. His real claim to fame was
    in the early '90’s, when he made a PetiteSirah from the first crop of that variety from the ThompsonVnyd, near
    LosAlamos. Inky black as the ace-of-spades. At barrel tastings at Jaffurs, the PS proved to be so well-liked that
    Craig hijacked the wine and bttld it under the Jaffurs label. And the rest is history. Jaffurs continues to make
    maybe the best PetiteSirah in all Calif. I haven’t received my '17 Jaffurs futures wines yet, but I’m confident
    they wines will only continue to get better & better under Dan.

  1. Hallcrest: This vnyd is a legend. It is located on the crest of a hill overlooking metropolitan Felton. It was
    was purchased by the Hall family in the late 1880’s as a weekend retreat (sound like a familiar story?? For you
    Ridge fans). The vnyd was planted in 1941 to Cabernet and Riesling by Chaffee Hall, a prominant SanFrancisco
    business attourney; pursuing his passion for wine.
    ChaffeeHill died in 1969, so this '59 would have been made by him. Chaffee was good buddies with Dave/Hew/
    Charlie/Howard, the Ridge founders. I suspect Chaffee was the inspiration for DaveBennion to try his hand with
    Cabernet at Ridge and were probably good drinking buddies.
    After Chaffee’s death, I think the vnyd was abandoned for a number of yrs. In the early '70’s, the property
    was purchased by LeoMcCloskey (then a lab guy/winemaker at Ridge) and BillGibbs (marketing guy) and starting
    producing wine under the Felton-Empire label. Mostly Riesling and Cabernet from their Estate. The F-E label
    still exists under the Benchmark Wine Group, but has no relation to the original F-E, just commodity wines.
    Leo McCloskey did some important research on yeast strains during his tenure at Ridge, but I don’t know the
    entire history there. Leo eventually founded Enologix, a company that advises, whith his specialized software,
    how to make your wine to get 100 pts from Monktown attourneys. May not taste good, but it has 100 pts, though.
    I recall some of the F-E Estate Reislings from the mid-late '70’s. They were classic dry/old-timey SCM Reislings,
    much in the style Dave Bennion made in the mid-'60’s, that badly needed age to evolve.
    In 1987, the property was purchased by John Schumacher, who continues to operate the property under the
    Hallcrest label (and Organic Wine Works). I’ve not had his wines, but plan to try some soon. Whether the
    original 1941 ChaffeeHall vnyds continue to exist, I cannot find out.
    Dave acquired this wine several yrs ago when he & Larry purchased a cellar there in SantaBarbara when the
    owner/attourney died. He (the owner) was good friends of AndreTschelitchof and would often make northward forays
    to buy wine. It’s very likely that he actually purchased this btl from ChaffeeHall himself. Dave related that
    this '59 was very similar to the the '58 he & Larry shared recently. So thanks for sharing this history with
    another relic, Dave.
    The cork came out w/ the AhSo and was perfectly intact and not at all crumbly. Amazing for a 60-yr old wine.
    The first striking upon smelling/tasting this wine was how youthful it was. However, like any such very old wine,
    by an hr later when we’d started our lunch, it had lost quite a bit, turned rather murky brown, and a mere shadow
    of itself upon opening. But still pretty danged good, if a bit dried out & astringent. The wine reminded me quite
    a lot of the '64 Ridge MonteBello in its kinda rustic/SCM Cab character, a DaveBennion wine I had in the early
    '80’s.

  1. Lagier-Meredith: This would have been Steve & Carole’s third Syrah, if’n I recall rightly. Still has plenty of youth
    but not sure it will ever have the tannins fully resolved. The wine was still going strong 4-5 hrs later when I
    finished it up.
    Tom

Thanks for sharing, my friend. Dave is and has always been one of my favorite people in this industry.

No surprise about that 05 PS - that was ‘bigger and bolder’ and I think that Craig, Dave et al proved that you could make a wine in that style that was not only approachable young but would continue to blossom for years and years.

Was lucky to share a bit of a mag of a LM 06 Syrah over the weekend - so young and tasty now but with the backbone to possibly outlive me . . .

Cheers!

Yup, Larry…one of my favorite people as well.
The '05 was the Syrah, not the PS. But they showed that PS doesn’t have to be big & oafish.
Steve&Carole have a real touch w/ Syrah…and other reds. Since I had just spent big $$'s on their latest release the day before,
thought I’d go back in the archives a bit for this one.
Tom

Someone can/will correct me if I am wrong but I believe the '98 was Carole and Steve’s first commercial release. A bottle we had a few years ago was exceptional as was the 99 we opened up a few months ago.

May not taste good . . . :slight_smile:

Glad these boring notes read good . . .

The first vines at Lagier Meredith were planted in 1994. I think they made some wine in 1996 and 1997, but were not yet bonded as a winery. The first commercial vintage was something like three barrels.

-Al

Al’s right. The 1998 Syrah was our first commercial release and it was all of 74 cases. We did make Syrah in 1996 and 1997 but those wines were not made in bond and so could not be sold. Both the 96 and 97 are still going strong.

Carole

How much did you make those first two years?

-Al

Thanks, Dr Carole!!! [cheers.gif]


Generally speaking, what variables factored into the decision of what vine material to plant on the Lagier-Meredith Mt Veeder site?


› Were the Lagier-Meredith Syrah plantings prior to the introduction of the Tablas Creek Clones into commercial availability?


› Did any earlier Syrah plantings on Mt Veeder (ie, “Paras Vineyard”, circa 1991) influence the decisions in how to set up the “Lagier-Meredith Vineyard”?

Thanks again for the awesome tasting notes, Tom!!

A 1959 Hallcrest, a 1998 Lagier-Meredith Syrah…man oh man!!!

We don’t have good records on these wines but I think it was about 30 cases in 96 and 60 in 97.

Here is what I have been able to find online about when Lagier-Meredith planted its Syrah and what vine materials were used…

From the Lagier-Meredith website:

About:

“…We planted the first vines in 1994 and released our first commercial wine in 2000.

Vineyard:
Syrah Clones: Durrell, 174, 383, 470, 525, 877



• From the October, 2004, FPS Newsletter article “The Origin of the Durell Syrah”
by Rhonda Smith, Sonoma County, California Farm Advisor:


"…In 1980, Steve (Hill) field budded 6 acres of AXR#1 rootings planted in the Sonoma Valley AVA (American Viticultural Area) with budwood he obtained from Linda Vista Nursery in Napa. The paper trail of that purchase has long disappeared, as has the nursery itself; however, Steve recalls that the owner, Bill Guiremand, told him that the source of his Syrah was ‘Shiraz 1’ from UC Davis.

"…The first and only registered selections of Shiraz at FPS were available starting in 1976, and it was not until 1999 that the next selection was registered as Syrah. Syrah is a ‘prime’ grape name approved by the Federal Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) and Shiraz is an approved synonym.

"The first Shiraz selections at FPS were all from a single importation of Shiraz from Australia that arrived in
1970.
The USDA plant inventory identifies the im-
portation as Plant Introduction #364287 from Bests
R3V34. According to Richard Hamilton, (Southcorp
Wines, South Australia) the wood was probably taken
from Best’s Vineyard at Great Western, near Ararat in
Victoria (2).

"No detectable viruses were found in the imported
vine; however, thermotherapy was used to create seven selections (Shiraz FPS 01-07) from the original
importation. Shiraz FPS 01 was planted in 1973 in the
Foundation Vineyard, location FV L2 V4.

"FPS and California Department of Food and Agri-
culture records indicate that Linda Vista Nursery
purchased cuttings of registered Shiraz FPS 01 in
1977 and 1978. They were all propagated from FV L2
V4, the single Shiraz vine located in the Foundation
Vineyard.

"In the early 1990s, registration was discontinued for
the old Foundation Vineyard at FPS including the
original Shiraz FPS 01 vine (FV L2V4). Before registra-
tion was dropped, wood from the old vine was used
to propagate two new registered Shiraz 01 mother
vines grafted to Kober 5BB. In 1992, the new vines
were planted in the currently registered Brooks North
Foundation Vineyard at BKN B18 V7,8.

“In 1998, Dr. Carole Meredith, a professor in the UC
Davis Department of Viticulture and Enology, verified
that all the Shiraz selections in the FPS collection have
exactly the same DNA profile as the French Syrah. She
concluded that Shiraz at FPS and Syrah are the same
variety (3)…”



The remaining Syrah Clones planted at the “Lagier-Meredith Vineyard” appear to be listed with FPS as “clean” equivalents of their ENTAV identities, though assigned different numbers.

Syrah Profile @ FPS

For our first Syrah plantings (1994,1998,1999), there weren’t many choices in California, considering that we wanted disease-tested and authenticated vines. We chose what was then known as Shiraz 1, which had been imported to California in the 1970’s from Victoria, Australia. This is the same as the Durell selection (which was originally planted as Shiraz 1).

The Tablas Creek clones were not generally available. And later, when they did become available, it was my understanding that these clones originated from the Southern Rhone and we were more interested in Syrah from the Northern Rhone.

In 2001,we planted several additional blocks of Syrah. By this time, the ENTAV clones had become available in California as the result of a contractual agreement between ENTAV (the French clonal evaluation and registration entity), the University of California, and Sunridge nursery in California. We chose Syrah clones 174, 383, 470, 525, and 877. Now, after 17 years of growing and making wine from these 5 ENTAV clones plus the original Durell selection, our favorite is the Durell clone, with the 470 running a close second.

We were not influenced by the Paras Vineyard, or by any other Syrah vineyard in California. Our inspiration has long been the J.-L. Chave plantings in Hermitage, probably because in 1991 Jean-Louis Chave stood on our deck overlooking the Napa Valley and said, “Carole, I think Syrah will do well here because Syrah loves a view.”

Thank you for all the information, Dr Meredith!!!


I apologize for suggesting that your hard work and immense background of knowledge was influenced by the presence of any other Syrah growers on the mountain. I admire what you and Mr Steve are doing and respect your expertise very highly!

That comment from Mr Chave is absolutely beautiful, by the way!

I may still have a half bottle of Felton-Empire Riesling somewhere.

Nice writeup and detailed history of the wines and wineries Tom. {Long and historical, not boring}

Since I knew Craig long before Jaffurs Winery, I find it so amazing we never met. Same is true for Larry Archibald early on, but he and I have shared many a wine, fun time over the past years.

Blake,
As you know, Tex died Wed morning. Look me up on FaceBook and take a look at my tribute to Tex. It’s a good read for a fellow BB’er.
Tom

Will do Tom. I did see he passed. Age 96 I believe. Loved the guy.

Nice notes. I have a 2002 Jaffurs Bien Nacido Syrah waiting for the Thanksgiving table and just before I wrote this I unloaded my 2017 Bedrock Bien Nacidos. Wonder if they will go as long.