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#1 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 15th, 2018, 4:55 pm

I know that I’m probably preaching to the choir, but this one is it. The 1986 Meyney is the greatest Bordeaux QPR of the last 30+ years. I’m guessing that I’ve had this wine two dozen times, and have yet had a bottle that didn’t give me the warm fuzzies. My most recent, a 1986 from 375 last November:

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This 1986 out of 750 is just perfect. Not as in 100 points of perfect, of a revelatory wine of historic distinction. That’s not this kind of perfect. This kind of perfect is like that great pair of faded jeans that makes your ass like just right, not too tight to make you uncomfortable, but tight enough to rock all the curves. The nose is beguiling, a mature perfume of classic Bordeaux funk, dark and plummy fruits, petrichor, leather, truffles and a lovely hint of barnyard. The palate is a caressing mid-weight wine with tannins fully resolved but still crisp structure from red-fruit acid. Great balance of red, dark and plummy fruits and tobacco. Finish is starting to show a bit of dryness, suggesting to me that this wine is on the deep backside of apogee. Still alive, lovely, delicious, but you should start consuming your final stash.

I had a 1986 La Lagune a couple months ago that showed just a touch better. I wish all Bordeaux were made this way; I wish I had stocked up on cases of Meyney and La Lagune from the key 1980s vintages. I put 2000 Lanessan and 2000 Sociando in this mix, and of course, the famed 1990 Chateau La Louviere.

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#2 Post by Julian Marshall » September 16th, 2018, 3:23 am

Great post - I've never tried the Meyney 86 and now I wish I had! I like the analogy, too - I get your point completely. It's always tempting to go down the "things were better in the olden days" road, which I suppose is the sign that we've turned into our fathers, but in some cases, they were right and we are now. Many châteaux needed more fruit and more concentration, but not all did and the modern obsession with both has bulldozed the qualities we admire into a corner or obliterated them completely. I agree entirely about La Louvière 1990 - I wouldn't say La Louvière's come close since. I would add Cantemerle 1989 to that category - a wonderful wine and sadly the last of its kind. Also Haut Bages Libéral 1990.
Funnily enough I was thinking along the same lines drinking Malescot 2004 last night, but for opposite reasons (I don't want to pollute your thread and I'll put that elsewhere).

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#3 Post by CJ Beazley » September 16th, 2018, 4:48 am

If you’re going to wax poetic about the Q, let’s also hear about the P.
I’m curious
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#4 Post by Julian Marshall » September 16th, 2018, 5:09 am

What do you mean, Craig?

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#5 Post by Zachary Ross » September 16th, 2018, 5:22 am

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#6 Post by Julian Marshall » September 16th, 2018, 5:37 am

Of course, silly me. Well, yes, they were all cheap. Apart from CBs, all Bordeaux was a whole lot cheaper.
La Louvière 1990 cost me I think around 10 euros - it can still be found for around 50€.
Cantemerle 1989 was about 20€, now about 45€. In real terms, recent vintages are at around the same price as the 89 - but not for the same quality. It's still good, but the 89 was one of the finest of the year - easily better than LLC, for example, at 7 or 8 times less.
HBL 1990 cost me about 15€. I got some last week for 45€, which I'm fine with. In terms of quality, HBL 1990 is close to Lynch-Bages at 6 or 7 times less.

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#7 Post by G. Bienstock » September 16th, 2018, 8:10 am

86 Meyney was $16 in NJ. 82, 85, 86, 88, 89 and 90 rocked.
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#8 Post by Neal.Mollen » September 16th, 2018, 8:20 am

They pop up for ~$50-60 occasionally.

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#9 Post by Pat Martin » September 16th, 2018, 8:33 am

Yes to the 86 Meyney, probably my favorite of that amazing run in the 80’s.

I bought the 89 Meyney at my local shop for $18 in 1995.
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#10 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 16th, 2018, 9:30 am

CJ Beazley wrote:
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If you’re going to wax poetic about the Q, let’s also hear about the P.
I’m curious
$50

I think I paid $52 for the La Lagune.

As said above, these pop up from time to time at great prices. I paid $60 for my last 1990 La Louv. This past year.

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#11 Post by CJ Beazley » September 16th, 2018, 9:42 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 9:30 am
CJ Beazley wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 4:48 am
If you’re going to wax poetic about the Q, let’s also hear about the P.
I’m curious
$50

I think I paid $52 for the La Lagune.

As said above, these pop up from time to time at great prices. I paid $60 for my last 1990 La Louv. This past year.
Sorry, I thought you meant you bought on release for 15 dollars, or I wouldn’t have asked.
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#12 Post by Howard Cooper » September 16th, 2018, 1:32 pm

Robert, I have not had the 1986, but the 1982 also was fabulous.
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#13 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 16th, 2018, 3:35 pm

1982, 86, 88 and 89 all worth grabbing. I was most surprised by how well the 88 showed after so many years in the bottle.

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#14 Post by David Glasser » September 17th, 2018, 4:51 am

A great note on an excellent wine. Another 86 that turned out just fine despite the vintage supposedly being too tannic. Maybe I’m just a tanning pig but I thought a lot of those wines turned out fine given enough cellar time.

And 1988 turned out to be somewhat of a sleeper vintage for a number of left bankers that turned out better than expected once they got 20+ years on them. Lynch Bages, Talbot, Pichon Lalande, Haut Brion have all recently exceeded expectations.

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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 17th, 2018, 4:56 am

David -

Given your lengthy experience in Bordeaux, what are your thoughts on current wines that may blossom or show like these wonderful Meyneys from the 1980s, say wines readily available vintage 2000 to current? My deepest bet is Sociando, but I also have a long history with, and affinity for, this chateau.

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#16 Post by David Glasser » September 17th, 2018, 8:13 am

Nothing earth-shattering, mostly old standbys that I still trust to develop that aged Bordeaux complexity that I love when they get to 25 or 30 years old. Meyney, La Lagune, Lanessan, Sociando, Poujeaux for value plays and moving up the price scale Talbot, Gruaud, Lynch Bages, Léoville Barton, Pontet Canet, both Pichons, Cos, Montrose, Ducru, Las Cases if you’re in your 30s and you’re really really patient, Haut Brion and Margaux if you have Alfert money. Canon, Clinet and Conseillante on the right bank but I know Pomerols aren’t your faves.

I’m an optimist about potential as long as the wines haven’t been totally slammed with excess hang time and oak. I believed that the too-ripe 1982s would turn out ok, and they did. I believed that the too-ripe 1990s would turn out ok, and they did. The 2000s are on their way. For those that fear excess ripeness the "lesser" years are a good bet and are cheaper: 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 in particular. I also have faith in the bigger years like 2005, 2009, 2010, 2015 and 2016.

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#17 Post by Stuart Roberts » September 17th, 2018, 9:17 am

Thanks for the great note, Robert, and for teaching me a new word (petrichor).

So many wonderful Bordeaux from the ‘80s and still so good.

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#18 Post by jon leifer » September 17th, 2018, 9:31 am

86 Gruaud and Talbot not too shabby either, ditto the 89 Meyney and Gruaud
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#19 Post by Gary Rust » September 17th, 2018, 9:44 am

I agree with most everything said here, but I would add to the QPR/Classic Bordeaux list Chateau Chasse Spleen. It is perhaps not as consistent in vintage after vintage as Sociando or Lanessan, but the 1986 and 1989 are really good right now.

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#20 Post by Arv R » September 18th, 2018, 7:44 pm

1986 has always been my favorite Meyney, but I'll admit to being remiss in tasting them post 2003.

I only had a half case and finished them up before the GFC.

So good.

Still it is a pretty good time for BDX, and I'm sure in a decade or so people will be quite enthused about all the QPRs available now.
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#21 Post by Pat Martin » September 18th, 2018, 9:35 pm

We’ve been counting on 80s Bordeaux since I got into wine nearly 30 years ago. How much longer will these hold up?
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#22 Post by Mike S. » September 19th, 2018, 10:33 pm

I have 4 left from the case..Best QPR I ever made.. This wine is equal to many $100+ wines.. Still complex nose of leather and spice and dark berries. The wine is smooth, tannin resolved, with many complex notes. This wine changes in the glass many times over a two hour time period. I think as a case purchase it was $13.95 a bottle.
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#23 Post by J a y H a c k » September 20th, 2018, 9:18 am

Are you sure you're feeling OK? Doesn't Meyney have too much flavor for you? I recently bought a case of the 89 and a case of the 90 at auction and I'm picking them up this weekend. I think the '89 Meyney is the best Cru Bourgeois I have ever had.
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#24 Post by Todd F r e n c h » October 30th, 2018, 6:03 pm

Well, thanks to Robert, I bought 4 of these. Bottles arrived in PERFECT condition - capsules, etc. Opened the first (had to try, no?) and ugh...moldy wine, dammit. The mustiness carried through into the wine, since the cork was completely soaked, I imagine.

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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 30th, 2018, 6:08 pm

LOL, that Alfert, phucking Yak-palate!

I hope you immediately moved to bottle two?

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#26 Post by Larry Link » October 30th, 2018, 6:10 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 6:03 pm
Well, thanks to Robert, I bought 4 of these. Bottles arrived in PERFECT condition - capsules, etc. Opened the first (had to try, no?) and ugh...moldy wine, dammit. The mustiness carried through into the wine, since the cork was completely soaked, I imagine.

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Todd,

Was it just the "Cordier funk" you were experiencing or were these corked? The funk abates with a little air. . .

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#27 Post by RichardSE » October 30th, 2018, 6:41 pm

I opened a bottle of 1986 Meyney last weekend and the consensus among the group was pretty much the same as yours. It is an extremely well balanced wine with a very good nose and palate and about at the point where I needed to plan on opening my last remaining bottles in the near future.
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This 1986 out of 750 is just perfect. Not as in 100 points of perfect, of a revelatory wine of historic distinction. That’s not this kind of perfect. This kind of perfect is like that great pair of faded jeans that makes your ass like just right, not too tight to make you uncomfortable, but tight enough to rock all the curves. The nose is beguiling, a mature perfume of classic Bordeaux funk, dark and plummy fruits, petrichor, leather, truffles and a lovely hint of barnyard. The palate is a caressing mid-weight wine with tannins fully resolved but still crisp structure from red-fruit acid. Great balance of red, dark and plummy fruits and tobacco. Finish is starting to show a bit of dryness, suggesting to me that this wine is on the deep backside of apogee. Still alive, lovely, delicious, but you should start consuming your final stash.
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#28 Post by Todd F r e n c h » October 30th, 2018, 6:49 pm

Larry Link wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 6:10 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 6:03 pm
Well, thanks to Robert, I bought 4 of these. Bottles arrived in PERFECT condition - capsules, etc. Opened the first (had to try, no?) and ugh...moldy wine, dammit. The mustiness carried through into the wine, since the cork was completely soaked, I imagine.

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Todd,

Was it just the "Cordier funk" you were experiencing or were these corked? The funk abates with a little air. . .
In the beginning I suspected 'Cordier funk' but it was quite clear as time went on that I was looking through rose-colored glasses. TCA city.
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#30 Post by Julian Marshall » October 31st, 2018, 10:04 am

Thomas Keim wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 9:38 pm
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September 16th, 2018, 5:37 am
Of course, silly me. Well, yes, they were all cheap. Apart from CBs, all Bordeaux was a whole lot cheaper.
The coolest thing about Bordeaux, and the NOT-coolest thing about Bordeaux is this; for every $33 dollar bottle of 1982 Lafite Rothschild you have had, there is somebody who has had an $8 bottle of 1961 Lafite Rothschild. It's really a vicious circle...
Very true! That also explains how some lucky so-and-sos with ancient cellars are able to drink for free! I often wish my father had collected wine instead of stamps - well, at least I'm going to leave some bottles to my children, unless I drink the lot!

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#31 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 7th, 2018, 5:37 pm

Alfert survives one more day on WB - if this bottle was corked, he was banned.

I'd write some sort of tasting note but it would suck - suffice it to say that Alfert's note above is spot on. This bottle is heavy on graphite and petrichor (THANK YOU for writing that - I looked it up, and I hope to use it in the future. So perfect) and a little 'horse sweat'. It is elegant on the palate - perfectly weighted, and absolutely spot on quintessential Bordeaux in the Classic style. The fruit is very dark at first but levels out to a beautiful sweet red fruit profile. Just enough finish to show its legs, but certainly not forever at this stage. Love it.
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#32 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 7th, 2018, 6:01 pm

Had it failed, I would have sent you some!

So glad it showed. I was sweating. And God I love sweaty horse leather. I'm a sick phuck. Bring on the funk and game, Tone Loc style.

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#33 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 7th, 2018, 6:03 pm

And Todd, buy some 2014 Sociando and 2014 Lanessan. Stock it away for 15 years. I will be dead, or banned, and you will drink it in my honor, saying "Alfert did me right, god I miss that lug".

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#34 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 7th, 2018, 7:36 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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And Todd, buy some 2014 Sociando and 2014 Lanessan. Stock it away for 15 years. I will be dead, or banned, and you will drink it in my honor, saying "Alfert did me right, god I miss that lug".
Lug? A lug can't say that about another lug - it's weird.

Also, don't tell me what to do! (oh, wait, you did already, dammit...and I bought in!). I loved my 2000 Lanessan.

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#35 Post by Jeff Cassetta » November 7th, 2018, 7:37 pm

Robert, you're making me nostalgic...Meyney used to be my house wine...went through multiple cases of '82, 86, 89 , and 90. Last bottle according to CT was the '89 in 11/14. The last '86 was in 2/12. Talk about QPR!!! Not surprised at all that the '86 is still going strong. Break out the "Those were the days" theme song!!

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#36 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 7th, 2018, 7:43 pm

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Robert, you're making me nostalgic...Meyney used to be my house wine...went through multiple cases of '82, 86, 89 , and 90. Last bottle according to CT was the '89 in 11/14. The last '86 was in 2/12. Talk about QPR!!! Not surprised at all that the '86 is still going strong. Break out the "Those were the days" theme song!!
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#37 Post by YLee » November 10th, 2018, 5:14 am

I think La Dame De Montrose is a good QPR as well.
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#38 Post by Claus Jeppesen » November 23rd, 2018, 8:24 am

Great thread title
I just finished the wine, sipping it over 2 days. On day 2 it is sooo brilliant
It is actually better than 1989 and 1990
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#39 Post by Dale Williams » November 23rd, 2018, 7:15 pm

Probably the wine I've drunk more of than any other
For years I argued the '89 over the '86 as best Meyney ever (all of the 80s Meyney from decent vintages were quite good), but last 5-8 years the '89 faded a little.
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Re: In The Pantheon of Great Bordeaux QPRs: 1986 Chateau Meyney

#40 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » November 24th, 2018, 4:12 am

I picked up a six-pack of the '88 for $34/bottle about three years back and I have one left. For the most part they've given a whole lot of pleasure. One was corked. A few have started off with an overwhelming cow dung nose, but it completely blew off after an hour or so. The palate on all the bottles (except the corked one) has been remarkably fresh with a good balance of red fruit, sous bois and tobacco.

Thanks for the reminder to open my remaining bottle soon.

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Re: In The Pantheon of Great Bordeaux QPRs: 1986 Chateau Meyney

#41 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 13th, 2018, 7:00 am

Dale Williams wrote:
November 23rd, 2018, 7:15 pm
Probably the wine I've drunk more of than any other
For years I argued the '89 over the '86 as best Meyney ever (all of the 80s Meyney from decent vintages were quite good), but last 5-8 years the '89 faded a little.
Now '86 is my clear favorite.
Served T'giving to non-geek crowd, everyone loved, this particular bottle still had plenty of tannin.
I enjoyed a 1989 very much last weekend.
The nose was extremely captivating, but the structure and grip on the palate had decreased too much.
The 1986 has developed better, as you write
Claus

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Re: In The Pantheon of Great Bordeaux QPRs: 1986 Chateau Meyney

#42 Post by Charlie Carnes » December 13th, 2018, 7:13 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 7th, 2018, 7:36 pm


Lug? A lug can't say that about another lug - it's weird.

Actually, in 2018, it is perfectly fine!
So shines a good deed in a weary world!

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Re: In The Pantheon of Great Bordeaux QPRs: 1986 Chateau Meyney

#43 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 9th, 2019, 5:27 pm

Just opened my last of the 4 I purchased (one was gone/spoiled/corked). All have had soaked corks, but this one was COMPLETELY soaking wet. Mold all over the top of the cork revealed itself when I removed the capsule. The Durand came in handy yet again, as I could tell how moist the cork was by the feel of the corkscrew end going in - like a pile of wet newspaper in feeling and smell. Not looking good...

Amazingly, the wine is perfect - delicious fragrant nose, filled with olive oil, saddle leather, slate, and the palate is probably the best of the three I've had - silkier than the others, seemingly a bit more structure overall though the tannins are absolutely tiny specks of dust small. Big cassis profile but in a mature, not fresh delivery. Delicious, classic Bordeaux profile. Thanks Alfert - this was a fun trip with these wines.
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