Update on Bob Cabral, former winemaker for Williams Selyem

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Update on Bob Cabral, former winemaker for Williams Selyem

#1 Post by Blake Brown » August 15th, 2018, 10:53 am

This is for those wanting to track Bob Cabral,the former winemaker for Williams Selyem from 1998-2015, before Jeff Mangahas took over in 2015. Here's an update:

Bob Cabral Wines: After making wine since the 1970s, Bob Cabral is returning to the grassroots approach that got him excited about winemaking in the first place. Proprietary names are used for each wine, with each of the names having a personal meaning and significance. There are subtle elements of Bob's fascination with old concert posters in the label art. The inaugural releases were from the 2015 vintage. The wines are sold exclusively through a mailing list at www.bobcabralwines.com.
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#2 Post by Mel Knox » August 15th, 2018, 12:11 pm

Bob also makes Game of Thrones wine.
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#3 Post by Steve Gautier » August 15th, 2018, 12:58 pm

The Wine Makers podcast did two podcast with him recently. The first covered Three Sticks Winery and the second one covered his own brand.
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#4 Post by T. Melloni » August 15th, 2018, 1:33 pm

Thanks for the update.
I liked many of the wines he made for Williams Selyem, so I took a look at the web-site, despite not needing another mailing list to add to my collection.

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#5 Post by John Morris » August 15th, 2018, 1:42 pm

I have to say, this gives the impression that it's all about marketing:
Blake Brown wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 10:53 am
Proprietary names are used for each wine, with each of the names having a personal meaning and significance. There are subtle elements of Bob's fascination with old concert posters in the label art.
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#6 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 15th, 2018, 2:04 pm

$75 for a rosé? WTF!
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Re: Update on Bob Cabral, former winemaker for Williams Selyem

#7 Post by Wes Barton » August 15th, 2018, 2:33 pm

John Morris wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 1:42 pm
I have to say, this gives the impression that it's all about marketing:
Blake Brown wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 10:53 am
Proprietary names are used for each wine, with each of the names having a personal meaning and significance. There are subtle elements of Bob's fascination with old concert posters in the label art.
Not really. Proprietary names are a marketing challenge. The cache of his name along with the price points he's set are the marketing, implying high quality and limited quantity. Defying the conventional wisdom that SVDs are universally the zenith of quality can turn off a lot of potential customers.
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#8 Post by John Ammons » August 15th, 2018, 3:30 pm

Gotta love Michael Jordan, MS, for this impressive bit of schooling:
Cabral is also the only person in the world to make a 100 point Pinot Noir from California, and there has only been one ever.

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#9 Post by Bdklein » August 15th, 2018, 3:58 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 2:04 pm
$75 for a rosé? WTF!

Do you pay $75 for any wine?
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#10 Post by Barry Sunderland » August 15th, 2018, 4:01 pm

This title sounded like he was recovering from an illness!!

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#11 Post by Richard Leland » August 15th, 2018, 4:22 pm

John Ammons wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 3:30 pm
Gotta love Michael Jordan, MS, for this impressive bit of schooling:
Cabral is also the only person in the world to make a 100 point Pinot Noir from California, and there has only been one ever.
That's nonsense - I've given lots of California Pinots 100 points, especially after the 5th glass.
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#12 Post by John Morris » August 15th, 2018, 4:24 pm

Wes Barton wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 2:33 pm
John Morris wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 1:42 pm
I have to say, this gives the impression that it's all about marketing:
Blake Brown wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 10:53 am
Proprietary names are used for each wine, with each of the names having a personal meaning and significance. There are subtle elements of Bob's fascination with old concert posters in the label art.
Not really. Proprietary names are a marketing challenge. The cache of his name along with the price points he's set are the marketing, implying high quality and limited quantity. Defying the conventional wisdom that SVDs are universally the zenith of quality can turn off a lot of potential customers.
Wes - What I was trying to say is that highlighting proprietary names with "meaning and significance" and cool labels that mean something to the winemaker is a side of California wine that really makes me want to gag. It makes it sound like the business plan began with marketing and the wines are an afterthought. [bleh.gif]

Maybe the wines are great, and I'm sure this is a sensible business approach when you're trying to sell debut wines at these price points. But it still annoys me.

But I guess I'm not the target market.
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#13 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 15th, 2018, 5:07 pm

Bdklein wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 3:58 pm
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 2:04 pm
$75 for a rosé? WTF!

Do you pay $75 for any wine?
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#14 Post by Jeff Vaughan » August 15th, 2018, 5:26 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 2:04 pm
$75 for a rosé? WTF!
That's what I was thinking.
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#15 Post by Evan Pontoriero » August 15th, 2018, 5:42 pm

I think Donum's Rosé is $75
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#16 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 15th, 2018, 6:04 pm

Who? WTFx2!
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Re: Update on Bob Cabral, former winemaker for Williams Selyem

#17 Post by Blake Brown » August 16th, 2018, 6:43 pm

Barry Sunderland wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 4:01 pm
This title sounded like he was recovering from an illness!!
I agree Barry. Could have worded it differently. When I got this info, I had just read a thread that had to do with Bob and Jeff Mangahas, his predecessor and I'm thinking here's an update on Bob`s whereabouts; thru. the "Update".
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