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#1 Post by Alan Eden » August 14th, 2018, 9:52 am

We all know Will is a great guy, anyone tasted these or any experience ?
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#2 Post by Scott Jameson » August 14th, 2018, 10:00 am

Search is your friend. Several tasting notes posted in the past few weeks.

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#3 Post by Todd F r e n c h » August 14th, 2018, 10:07 am

Scott Jameson wrote:
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Search is your friend. Several tasting notes posted in the past few weeks.
This - many notes, even a crappy set from me!

Wish they weren't only in 3-packs, grr. I need to be an attorney like the rest of the crew here so I can afford all this pricey wine.
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#4 Post by MOrsino » August 14th, 2018, 10:24 am

I just started drinking my '14s a couple of months ago and they are amazing! I know its relative but I believe the juice is worth the price! I keep telling myself I am going to drop off some lists but I can't bring myself to drop from this one!

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#5 Post by Derek P » August 14th, 2018, 10:25 am

I'm in. Went for 3 + 3
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#6 Post by Paul McCourt » August 14th, 2018, 10:34 am

I'm probably grabbing a three of the cab. Not sure about the blend at $95
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#7 Post by T. Melloni » August 14th, 2018, 10:40 am

I like Roy Piper's comment after tasting the 2016 from tank before being bottled: "If you are in thus far, I highly recommend you stay in."
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#8 Post by Eric S n y d e r » August 14th, 2018, 10:52 am

The 2014 W&M cab that I had earlier this year was epic and full of promise. Buy!

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#9 Post by M McCombs » August 14th, 2018, 10:55 am

When I first opened the offer it said I wasn’t allocated anything [cry.gif]

Was surpriing, I purchased a three pack from each of the previous two vintages. Just opened the link again and all is right with the world. champagne.gif
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#10 Post by Mark Y » August 14th, 2018, 10:56 am

How much are the Cabs?? if Todd can't afford them, they gotta be priced higher than Harlan?!
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#11 Post by Bud Carey » August 14th, 2018, 11:09 am

$110 including shipping.

I'm in for 6 cab and 3 red... easy no-brainer.
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#12 Post by T Fletcher » August 14th, 2018, 11:13 am

You can search for my comments but I'm a buyer of both, having had each via barrel sample as well as previously buying both the 2014 and 2015 Cabs.

Here is the offer, 3-pack increments per wine, shipping included.

2016 William & Mary Proprietary Red $95/bottle
50% Cabernet Franc, 50% Merlot
125 cases produced
14.5% alcohol

Seamless. Purity of fruit. Power without weight. Aromatically expressive. Tastes like barrel sample in the best way - youthful & energetic with a bright future. The Merlot is the core of the wine, the red fruit platform upon which everything is built. Standing tall on that platform is the Cab Franc, providing lift to the aromatics and midpalate while giving the overall wine power and drive.

I would encourage opening one of these early as there is something joyful about this youthful stage . I’d also recommend stashing one away for as long as you reasonably can as I suspect the best, most interesting days are well in its future.


2016 William & Mary Cabernet Sauvignon $110/bottle
100% Cabernet Sauvignon
150 cases produced
14.5% alcohol

Making wine is akin to dating. If you look in the right place and find someone interesting, each successive date, or in this case harvest, should be better than the one preceding it. The 2016 Cabernet Sauvignon is the next step in the progression of our understanding of the vineyard and its expression through grape into wine.

2016 was a ‘vineyard’ year in that the unique expression of site was able and encourgaged to shine. With a better understanding of the intricacies of the vineyard, the balance and construction of the wine are immediately apparent. Rich, cool red fruit with a lively mix of acid & tannin give the wine power, depth and intrigue. The best of the trio we have released thus far.
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#13 Post by Bud Carey » August 14th, 2018, 11:17 am

Trent... Looks Luke you got the prices backwards.
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#14 Post by T Fletcher » August 14th, 2018, 11:20 am

Bud Carey wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 11:17 am
Trent... Looks Luke you got the prices backwards.
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Corrected, thanks Bud.
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#15 Post by Roy Piper » August 14th, 2018, 11:45 am

The Cab is tremendous. Had it just before it went to bottle.
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#16 Post by Loren Sonkin » August 14th, 2018, 12:10 pm

Is Will the winemaker or TRB or someone else?
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#17 Post by AlexS » August 14th, 2018, 12:12 pm

In for 3 + 3
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#18 Post by Bud Carey » August 14th, 2018, 12:12 pm

Will is the winemaker.
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#19 Post by Tom Gutting » August 14th, 2018, 12:17 pm

I hadn't posted this previously, but tasted both 2016s from bottle with Will last Monday. The Cabernet is superb, a refined, full effort that has lush fruit and ripe tannins. Drank very well upon opening and kept gaining with air over the ensuring 24 hours. The blend, sadly, was slightly corked, so I reserved judgment, but it definitely showed more of the earth/leaf character of Cab Franc. Highly recommend the Cabernet at the price; reserve judgment only because I tasted a corked bottle of the blend.
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#20 Post by Loren Sonkin » August 14th, 2018, 12:18 pm

Thanks Bud. My buying is cut way down, but Will has been great to deal with over the years, glad to support him. I am in for a few.
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#21 Post by Matthew King » August 14th, 2018, 12:23 pm

Sorry, tangent alert:

I don't know squat about CA cabernet, but I do know my Steely Dan. When I saw this title thread, I couldn't help but think of "My Old School."

I was smoking with the boys upstairs when I
Heard about the whole affair, I said oh no
William and Mary won't do
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#22 Post by Frank Murray III » August 14th, 2018, 12:24 pm

My first post with the new site layout.....

I tasted both the 2016s a few weeks ago, so FWIW, here are my impressions. I have yet to receive the offering email, however.
  • 2016 William & Mary Cabernet Sauvignon Shifflett Ranch - USA, California, Napa Valley (7/26/2018)
    July 2018 Rivers-Marie Visit (At Mending Wall winery): Poured blind, in a flight of three which all turned out to be the William and Mary wines. Plush, even a bit pillowy in the texture and for me has the best approachability and overall best experience for me of the three wines (2014-2016). Pencil shavings, herb, juicy, lush and youthful and just getting started as a young wine would be.
  • 2016 William & Mary Proprietary Red Shifflett Ranch - USA, California, Napa Valley, Oak Knoll (7/26/2018)
    July 2018 Rivers-Marie Visit (At Mending Wall winery): Poured blind, and followed a flight that was the three releases of William and Mary Cabs (2014-2016). Of all 4 wines, this was my stand-out favorite as I found this wine to have all the parts working well for me, the flavor profile to be more aligned with my own palate, which is often away from the more modern style. Delicious mix of acidity, wood, fruit and less opulence and more reigned in that the Cabs, showing focus with bright red fruit. I will be buying this wine when it is released this year. Excellent.
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#23 Post by Paul McCourt » August 14th, 2018, 12:28 pm

Matthew King wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 12:23 pm
Sorry, tangent alert:

I don't know squat about CA cabernet, but I do know my Steely Dan. When I saw this title thread, I couldn't help but think of "My Old School."

I was smoking with the boys upstairs when I
Heard about the whole affair, I said oh no
William and Mary won't do
LOL

I'm both a big Steely Dan fan and have a daughter at William & Mary. I'm almost obligated to buy some.
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#24 Post by rick m » August 14th, 2018, 1:18 pm

just had them last week....for me this is a must buy. loved both cab and blend. great juice
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#25 Post by Tom Gutting » August 14th, 2018, 1:48 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 12:24 pm
My first post with the new site layout.....

I tasted both the 2016s a few weeks ago, so FWIW, here are my impressions. I have yet to receive the offering email, however.
  • 2016 William & Mary Cabernet Sauvignon Shifflett Ranch - USA, California, Napa Valley (7/26/2018)
    July 2018 Rivers-Marie Visit (At Mending Wall winery): Poured blind, in a flight of three which all turned out to be the William and Mary wines. Plush, even a bit pillowy in the texture and for me has the best approachability and overall best experience for me of the three wines (2014-2016). Pencil shavings, herb, juicy, lush and youthful and just getting started as a young wine would be.
  • 2016 William & Mary Proprietary Red Shifflett Ranch - USA, California, Napa Valley, Oak Knoll (7/26/2018)
    July 2018 Rivers-Marie Visit (At Mending Wall winery): Poured blind, and followed a flight that was the three releases of William and Mary Cabs (2014-2016). Of all 4 wines, this was my stand-out favorite as I found this wine to have all the parts working well for me, the flavor profile to be more aligned with my own palate, which is often away from the more modern style. Delicious mix of acidity, wood, fruit and less opulence and more reigned in that the Cabs, showing focus with bright red fruit. I will be buying this wine when it is released this year. Excellent.
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#26 Post by Cameron and Bahaneh Hobel » August 15th, 2018, 2:55 pm

Will was kind enough to bring over his 16's....plus almost the entire range of 16's from Rivers Marie a couple weeks back. Both of Will's wines were good but the 16' Cabernet really stood out as being super serious and for sure his best Cabernet bottling to date.
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#27 Post by Peter Panzica » August 15th, 2018, 3:48 pm

In for Cab.
Wish I could take my full allocation because Will is an awesome dude. Unfortunately overcommitted.
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#28 Post by NickRut » August 15th, 2018, 4:03 pm

How’s the cab compare to other $110 bottling? Any fair comparisons?
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#29 Post by Phil S t a f f o r d » August 15th, 2018, 4:07 pm

The cab smokes other $110 bottlings. Do not hesitate. It’s really a $90-something bottling with free shipping and no tax. Buy!

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#30 Post by AlexS » August 15th, 2018, 4:24 pm

Phil S t a f f o r d wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 4:07 pm
It’s really a $90-something bottling with free shipping and no tax.
I like your self-brainwashing strategy! Might have to start telling myself the same lol.

I've been buying since the 2014, haven't tried one yet...although that will soon be changing, as I grabbed one today from storage - will post impressions.
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#31 Post by NickRut » August 15th, 2018, 4:39 pm

Whelp. I’ll be in for at least 3 then. Maybe 6. Good selling.
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#32 Post by PaulMills » August 15th, 2018, 4:49 pm

I went in for threee of the cabs. We opened a 2015 Sunday and it was fabulous. I really wanted to pick up some of the propriety red but just can not swing it right now due to other commitments, wine and otherwise. It it was sold by single bottles I would at least get one just to try it.

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#33 Post by Tom Reddick » August 15th, 2018, 8:38 pm

I went all-in again this year. I have not tried the 2016s yet, but the 2014 and 2015 Cabs were spectacular. They are "big boy" wines, but there is a seriously structured inner core to them as well which I think indicates they will age AND transform with time.

As a general rule, I am very much old-world minded- Chateau Magdelaine is the largest holding in my cellar- but this a rare California Cabernet I have found that has that thrilling edge and heft of the some of the more "modern" cult wines, yet with a proper balance and a firm basic structure keeping it all in place.

On the question of price since many have raised it- yes I know $95-110 is, on the face of it, a lot of money (and buying both at once was really painful- hoping for staggered releases in future)- but it is a good bit less expensive than many other limited production Cabs new to the market in recent years which do not show near the promise. If a major critic starts publishing the kinds of ratings I think this will get, $110 will be a dream long gone before too long is my guess.
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#34 Post by Sean Malloy » August 16th, 2018, 4:22 am

My prior post on the 2014: "Opened a bottle of 2014 William & Mary recently. What struck me about this bottle was its uniqueness in the large sea of often good but somewhat indistinguishable Napa cabs. There were two things about this that stood out to me. One was the "oily" texture, mentioned above, which was definitely there and definitely a positive. The other was on the palate for me, which screamed cherry with an under layer of dark cocoa, but in a really cool and unique way which was not at all traditional overripe red fruit and chocolate notes. It was very nuanced and delicious. Really cool wine, glad I ordered some."

I have not had the 2015, but bought some, and I just bought 3 of the 2016 Cab. I would buy more, but I'm very overweight U.S. in my cellar and trying to rebalance old world. I'm hardly buying any U.S. wines right now...the fact that I bought this is a sign to myself that it is very high on my list of Napa Cabs.

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#35 Post by Cameron and Bahaneh Hobel » August 17th, 2018, 10:59 am

Phil S t a f f o r d wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 4:07 pm
The cab smokes other $110 bottlings. Do not hesitate. It’s really a $90-something bottling with free shipping and no tax. Buy!
Love it Phil....I may steal this strategy to justify my purchases as well!
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#36 Post by Jim F » August 17th, 2018, 2:13 pm

I went in too!
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#37 Post by brigcampbell » August 17th, 2018, 2:55 pm

Loren Sonkin wrote:
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Is Will the winemaker or TRB or someone else?
As mentioned above, Will is the winemaker.

The fruit comes from his wife's family vineyard which had previously sold the fruit to another producer. Will got involved and helped "update" the contracts with new producers and Will is taking some of the fruit for his bottling.

I really like it. I wrote down tasting notes when FMMIII / I visited but haven't written them up.

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#38 Post by Scott Brunson » August 17th, 2018, 3:31 pm

We had the '14 with Brian Tuite in June; it was terrific (but no formal notes).
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#39 Post by luc@sl@belle » August 17th, 2018, 4:43 pm

I took 3X Cab and 3X proprietary Red. Haven’t tried any of my 15s yet but am excited to as the reviews seem overwhelmingly positive. [cheers.gif]

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#40 Post by AlexS » August 18th, 2018, 9:10 am

Scott Brunson wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 3:31 pm
We had the '14 with Brian Tuite in June; it was terrific (but no formal notes).
+1

I opened the 2014 yesterday, ended up drinking it with unexpected company so no notes. It was my first William & Mary and all I can say is that it's awesome, awesome Cab -- in fact, we had it next to a 2012 Myriad Dr. Crane ("regular") and the William & Mary was just as good, if not even better.

Although this is at the top end of what I pay for wine, I'm already regretting only purchasing 3 bottles per release.
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#41 Post by JFertitta » August 18th, 2018, 10:22 am

My first allocation. I bought a 3 pack of the cab. I'd much rather spend my money with smaller producers so I figured I'd give Will a shot. I hope it's as good as everyone else in here makes it out to be!
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#42 Post by Bud Carey » August 18th, 2018, 10:37 am

It is, I assure you.
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#43 Post by Chris H. » August 25th, 2018, 6:52 am

I just placed an order for a 3 pack, wish I could have sprung for more, but it's been a brutal few months wine wise on the card...

At any rate, I am very excited, based on the talk on this board as well as Cellar Tracker. One thing that was a bit surprising, is it looked like on the shipping page of the website, that the bottles will be shipped in Spring 2019?
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#44 Post by PHuff » August 25th, 2018, 7:02 am

Chris H. wrote:
August 25th, 2018, 6:52 am
I just placed an order for a 3 pack, wish I could have sprung for more, but it's been a brutal few months wine wise on the card...

At any rate, I am very excited, based on the talk on this board as well as Cellar Tracker. One thing that was a bit surprising, is it looked like on the shipping page of the website, that the bottles will be shipped in Spring 2019?
I thought the release email said that the wine would ship in November........
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#45 Post by Chris H. » August 25th, 2018, 8:07 am

November makes more sense, I may have misread it. Thanks!
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#46 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » September 30th, 2018, 10:35 am

The checkout page did say shipping would be in April, but I emailed Will and he said “Weather permitting, I'll be shipping the week after Thanksgiving.”

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#47 Post by Joe B » September 30th, 2018, 10:53 am

Somehow I missed 2015 order. Then I did not get an email for the 2016. Logged on to my account and was able to order a three pack.
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#48 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 1st, 2018, 8:31 am

In on 3 pack.

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