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#1 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 10:15 am

Not sure if there is a thread on this topic (I searched, but didn’t find anything generic enough).

With my inbox getting blown up over the past week with Fall Allocation emails, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed. Anyone have any good advice on managing these lists/working through selections?
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Kistler
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Williams Selyem
Bedrock
Roar
Alban
Cruse
Failla

- Plus a few others I didn’t actually ask to be on such as Saunter and Sinegal

Can’t forget the Clubs - Hawkes, Montelena, Corison

Anyone else in a FOMO situation?
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#2 Post by Matthew King » August 7th, 2018, 10:44 am

Christine:

I'm not on as many lists as I used to be. But when I feel FOMO coming on, I will skip an offer. It may cause some anxiety at first, but you learn that life goes on and there will always be another offer coming down the pike.

I frequently use this same strategy when ordering from an online retailer. I let an order sit in my cart for 24 hours. It's telling how often the itch to buy will have subsided. Similar exercise is spending 20 minutes browsing a favorite wine store, pulling a few bottles and then deciding to walk out without purchasing anything. Very therapeutic exercise!
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#3 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 7th, 2018, 10:50 am

After dropping off the Monte Bello list last month, none.
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#4 Post by Brian Tuite » August 7th, 2018, 11:09 am

Dozens
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#5 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » August 7th, 2018, 11:13 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:After dropping off the Monte Bello list last month, none.
Same here - Ridge was out last list, dropped in 2014, IIRC. Feels great.

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#6 Post by robert creth » August 7th, 2018, 11:16 am

I’m down to 4. Three I plan on staying with and the other is a fav that is getting too pricey for me. Feel free to pass on an allotment. If you want to stay on the list, shoot the winery an email saying you are passing this order but plan on staying on list. Most will be fine with this. If they are not, then you have some choices to make. Most of all do not feel hostage to a list. There is lots of great wine out there!

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#7 Post by JonF » August 7th, 2018, 11:17 am

I've been implementing a few pruning rules.

1. Huge price jump/no longer good QPR (for our budget)? gone
2. ridiculous shipping fees (shipping is necessary evil, but some are unusually high)? gone
3. wont ship to NJ or wont divulge the carrier (i prefer to avoid ups for wine)? gone
4. too redudant to another maker i much prefer? gone
5. bought last year but found the wines meh? gone
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#8 Post by John Morris » August 7th, 2018, 11:20 am

None, ever.
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#9 Post by Joe B » August 7th, 2018, 11:33 am

Too many and mainly due to the fact that Binnys doesn’t really carry the wines I want to drink in price ranges we agree to.
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#10 Post by Michael Martin » August 7th, 2018, 11:37 am

Not as many as I used to be on. Maybe 4 or 5 now.

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#11 Post by blarmston » August 7th, 2018, 11:46 am

I have no idea, but this morning I got 7 offer emails, and 3 yesterday.

Its ridiculous.
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#12 Post by Bdklein » August 7th, 2018, 12:01 pm

A bunch .
Actually buy from ? Very few.
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#13 Post by DavidN » August 7th, 2018, 12:39 pm

I'm on 16, which is a massive improvement from years ago, but I would like to get this below 10.

SQN, NoK, Saxum, Alban, Carlisle, Bedrock, Lewelling, Pride Reserve, Maybach, Schrader, Rivers Marie, Ceritas, Kutch, Rhys, Marcassin, and Aubert.
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#14 Post by Mark Y » August 7th, 2018, 12:47 pm

found this thread fro 2011
https://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/vi ... ion+mailer
Brian Tuite wrote:Dozens
Dang! in 2011 it was 2! ;)
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#15 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » August 7th, 2018, 12:49 pm

Ultramarine
Myriad
Bedrock
Carlisle
Dirty and Rowdy
Ridge
Cirq
Sea Smoke
Quilceda

Haven’t ordered from the last 3 lately.

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#16 Post by S teve R edenbaugh » August 7th, 2018, 12:50 pm

Quilceda Creek, Cayuse, No Girls, L'Aventure, Tables Creek, Auteur, Bedrock, Carlisle, Anthill Farm, Epoch, Aubert, Paul Lato, Rivers-Marie, Kutch, Rhys, Arnot-Roberts, Sandlands, Hirsch, Littorai, Ferren, Ceritas, County Line, Arista, Desire Lines, Beta, Arbe Garbe, Massican....Way too many, but I'm seriously trying to cut back. No longer buy Sea Smoke or Merry Edwards. New policy, if I sign up for a new one, cut two existing.

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#17 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 7th, 2018, 12:53 pm

Still way too many. Skipping several this fall. We'll see who drops me.
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#18 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 12:58 pm

Matthew King wrote:Christine:

I'm not on as many lists as I used to be. But when I feel FOMO coming on, I will skip an offer. It may cause some anxiety at first, but you learn that life goes on and there will always be another offer coming down the pike.

I frequently use this same strategy when ordering from an online retailer. I let an order sit in my cart for 24 hours. It's telling how often the itch to buy will have subsided. Similar exercise is spending 20 minutes browsing a favorite wine store, pulling a few bottles and then deciding to walk out without purchasing anything. Very therapeutic exercise!
Wow! Such discipline and great advice!
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#19 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 12:59 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
Neal.Mollen wrote:After dropping off the Monte Bello list last month, none.
Same here - Ridge was out last list, dropped in 2014, IIRC. Feels great.
Did you just run out of room? Or stopped being interested?
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#20 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » August 7th, 2018, 1:04 pm

Too many. Have dropped quite a few, and have cut back total number of bottles ordered from each, but it still adds up.

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#21 Post by Ted Erfer » August 7th, 2018, 1:06 pm

dropped almost all lists - some I waited years to get on.
Now just two or three.
I ended up with too much wine from the same producers, same years, same amount of aging needed. And I am running out of years to drink it all.

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#22 Post by T. Melloni » August 7th, 2018, 1:07 pm

I think the responses need to factor whether the respondent favors US domestic wines or wines from outside the US, where generally the concept of a winery maintaining a mailing list seems foreign. (Yes - intended!)

For example, I can purchase Rancia locally. If I could not do so and Felsina had a mailing list, I would certainly be on that list.
I enjoy Oregon and California pinot noir. Roughly 99% of the wines I purchase from lists are wines for which I will not see comparable products in my local wine store.
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#23 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 7th, 2018, 1:07 pm

C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s wrote:
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
Neal.Mollen wrote:After dropping off the Monte Bello list last month, none.
Same here - Ridge was out last list, dropped in 2014, IIRC. Feels great.
Did you just run out of room? Or stopped being interested?
Combination of factors, but mostly I don't drink very much domestic wine and I am old. The combination has me looking for backfills on mature wines, and not recent vintage reds. Also, the domestic wines I used to buy with regularity have gotten expensive enough that they have become easy passes for me.
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#24 Post by Sebastian C. » August 7th, 2018, 1:15 pm

Rhys & Littorai . Rhys has shipping inluded and thus you can order just a couple of bottles. From littorai I order sparingly. I also have a few friends who take some of my bottles. Not buying IS an option.
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#25 Post by Brian Tuite » August 7th, 2018, 1:42 pm

Looking back at my inbox I get offers from 50 different brands. I obviously don’t buy from all of them each release but I mix them up to keep my cellar diverse.
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#26 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 1:43 pm

S teve R edenbaugh wrote:Quilceda Creek, Cayuse, No Girls, L'Aventure, Tables Creek, Auteur, Bedrock, Carlisle, Anthill Farm, Epoch, Aubert, Paul Lato, Rivers-Marie, Kutch, Rhys, Arnot-Roberts, Sandlands, Hirsch, Littorai, Ferren, Ceritas, County Line, Arista, Desire Lines, Beta, Arbe Garbe, Massican....Way too many, but I'm seriously trying to cut back. No longer buy Sea Smoke or Merry Edwards. New policy, if I sign up for a new one, cut two existing.
Ahh I forgot to add Massican to my list. Sounds like a solid policy!
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#27 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 1:44 pm

John Morris wrote:None, ever.
Woah? Any particular reason?
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#28 Post by bscott » August 7th, 2018, 1:46 pm

Pride, Quivet, Myriad, Carter Cellars, Rivers Marie, Sin Qua Non, Saxum, Alban, Andremily, Next of Kyn, Lillian, Quilceda Creek, Trespass, Outpost, Realm
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#29 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » August 7th, 2018, 1:50 pm

C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s wrote:
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
Neal.Mollen wrote:After dropping off the Monte Bello list last month, none.
Same here - Ridge was out last list, dropped in 2014, IIRC. Feels great.
Did you just run out of room? Or stopped being interested?
Mostly lost interest as my tastes changed to almost exclusively old world. I was never on more than 2-3, and those mostly because I visited the winery and signed up in a moment of excitement. I haven't bought a recent vintage new world wine in ages. Also, we now buy depth rather than breadth, and would rather buy cases of the wines we know we love (price permitting) instead of hitting the bid on on dozens of wines across multiple mailers.
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#30 Post by John Morris » August 7th, 2018, 1:51 pm

C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s wrote:
John Morris wrote:None, ever.
Woah? Any particular reason?
I'm more focused on European wines and don't care to be tied to minimum orders, etc.
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#31 Post by Bill G » August 7th, 2018, 1:52 pm

A good number of them (8 to 10) but I have purposely dropped off a few recently due to pricing or quality issues.

I have gotten to the point where its hard to find occasions to drink the really expensive/good stuff so I opt for value.
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#32 Post by Dennis Atick » August 7th, 2018, 1:53 pm

A lot of you are on way more lists than I could ever handle. I don't get it, to be honest.

I'm on two.
D&R 'cause they are old friends and Ultramarine 'cause Hardy told me I should years ago (and he was right).
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#33 Post by David Glasser » August 7th, 2018, 2:00 pm

Down to 3. I'm no longer on any lists that drop you if you miss a year or two or that require you to buy X to get Y.

At one point years ago it was close to 20. The initial pain of dropping them was replaced by a sense of relief and freedom.

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#34 Post by Jeff Vaughan » August 7th, 2018, 2:05 pm

I was on a little more than a half dozen. Slowly dropped off as our palates shifted and wines accumulated.

Between the lists and internet hunting, I also realized I hardly ever stopped into wine shops and randomly tried new things. I missed that and I am now making it a point to look locally for obscure Piedmont varieties.
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#35 Post by Bdklein » August 7th, 2018, 2:09 pm

Bill G wrote: I have gotten to the point where its hard to find occasions to drink the really expensive/good stuff so I opt for value.
If you wait until special occasions to drink the really expensive/good stuff, it may be too late in terms of the life of the wine and/or you or any significant others. So don't wait !!!!
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#36 Post by David Baum » August 7th, 2018, 2:40 pm

Agree! A special day doesn't make the wine special. The wine makes the day special!

On about two dozen but order from about 6 every vintage occasionally from others

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#37 Post by Joe Raymond » August 7th, 2018, 3:19 pm

I had a thread on this last year and I think I had something like 37? allocation lists I was on and was trying to cut it down. Well now I am at 12 lists with almost all of those that only require a one bottle minimum to purchase which makes it more appealing. For example, I love Aubert but a six bottle minimum was just tough so I dropped them even though you pay a premium on secondary market usually for their wine. It feels really good to knock off 25 lists and focus on a few that I love. Still waiting on 6 more waiting lists and then will re assess my list and cut some more probably
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#38 Post by Mattstolz » August 7th, 2018, 3:32 pm

JonF wrote:I've been implementing a few pruning rules.

2. ridiculous shipping fees (shipping is necessary evil, but some are unusually high)? gone
curious because im in the stage right now where I am getting ONTO lists, what sort of shipping prices end up being unusually high?

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#39 Post by Albert R » August 7th, 2018, 3:37 pm

JonF wrote:I've been implementing a few pruning rules.

1. Huge price jump/no longer good QPR (for our budget)? gone
2. ridiculous shipping fees (shipping is necessary evil, but some are unusually high)? gone
3. wont ship to NJ or wont divulge the carrier (i prefer to avoid ups for wine)? gone
4. too redudant to another maker i much prefer? gone
5. bought last year but found the wines meh? gone


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#40 Post by Scott Brunson » August 7th, 2018, 3:46 pm

Schrader
Scarecrow
MACDONALD
Drinkward-Peschon
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Lewelling
Saxum
Lillian
Rhys
Failla
Antica Terra
Myriad
Quivet
Roar
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Pisoni
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Limerick Lane
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Epoch
No Girls (although I passed last year so I am probably shunned)
Horsepower (ditto)
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Levy & Mc

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#41 Post by R Nanda » August 7th, 2018, 4:17 pm

As my taste and budget have turned to Europe, I regularly buy from fewer than ever mailing lists, and in more limited quantities. My regular mailing list purchases are now limited to:
Ridge MB
Rhys
Kutch
Ceritas
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I buy occasionally from a handful of others: Walter Scott, Goodfellow, Vincent, Pax, Enfield ...
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#42 Post by crickey » August 7th, 2018, 4:20 pm

Does Rhys count as one or three?
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#43 Post by M. Dildine » August 7th, 2018, 5:01 pm

Many. But I don’t buy retail.
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#44 Post by J a y H a c k » August 7th, 2018, 5:13 pm

Way too many. I'm trying to cut back. All these mergers are good. When a winery gets acquired by megaultramonster, Inc., I drop it, so the number is getting lower. I think myriad and MacDonald are the only recent additions.
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#45 Post by Jim McCully » August 7th, 2018, 5:17 pm

I'm using this response as a therapy...will look long and hard at the list, hopefully recognize it as the addiction it is, and perhaps thereby begin the steps necessary to gain my release from all their releases.

Cases per annum tiers
3 case + ;
Tablas Creek
Ridge (this one is on the shakiest ground, qpr threat level red)
Bedrock

2 case +
Calera
Sans Liege

1-2 case
Hammell Wine Alliance
Rhys
Alban

I have "friends" who abuse me with access to their Kistler and Aubert allocations.
I am on the wait list for SQN

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#46 Post by JMFrawley » August 7th, 2018, 6:17 pm

Bedrock
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Failla
Ridge
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#47 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 6:53 pm

Jim McCully wrote:I'm using this response as a therapy...will look long and hard at the list, hopefully recognize it as the addiction it is, and perhaps thereby begin the steps necessary to gain my release from all their releases.

Cases per annum tiers
3 case + ;
Tablas Creek
Ridge (this one is on the shakiest ground, qpr threat level red)
Bedrock

2 case +
Calera
Sans Liege

1-2 case
Hammell Wine Alliance
Rhys
Alban

I have "friends" who abuse me with access to their Kistler and Aubert allocations.
I am on the wait list for SQN
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#48 Post by Bruce Rudman » August 7th, 2018, 7:00 pm

Too many - but love them all:
Myriad
Sojourn
Rivers Marie
Saxum
Rhys
Schrader
Ancillary
Riverain (a new list)
Kosta Browne
Cirq
Williams Selyem
William & Mary
Piper
Quivet
Carter
Realm
Rochioli
Sea Smoke
Patine'
Loring (a club)
Eric Kent (sort of a club)
Harlan (haven't ordered since 2012 vintage though)
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#49 Post by J.Vizuete » August 7th, 2018, 7:29 pm

31 mailers (I don’t bite on most and when I do it’s a max of 6 bottles) and 10 waiting lists (SQN, Macdonald, Saxum, Cayuse, Ultramarine, etc) All of these are domestic and I only get on a list if I can’t find the wine in my market. I’m not into case buys at his point; still trying to learn what I like and how long I should hold them. If there’s a case minimum I go in with friends, which adds to the anticipation and fun. Variety is the spice of life
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#50 Post by C h r i s t i n e Z u b r i s » August 7th, 2018, 7:39 pm

Bruce Rudman wrote:Too many - but love them all:
Myriad
Sojourn
Rivers Marie
Saxum
Rhys
Schrader
Ancillary
Riverain (a new list)
Kosta Browne
Cirq
Williams Selyem
William & Mary
Piper
Quivet
Carter
Realm
Rochioli
Sea Smoke
Patine'
Loring (a club)
Eric Kent (sort of a club)
Harlan (haven't ordered since 2012 vintage though)
Sounds like a $20,000 list hobby
-CZ

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