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#1 Post by Jeremy Holmes » June 25th, 2018, 10:25 pm

Quite possibly the best young Py from Foillard that I have seen. So bright and detailed with aromas of fresh flowers, sandalwood and red fruits. It is silky in the mouth, with excellent definition and a palate that builds and fans out like great red Burgundy. The finish is energetic and long.
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#2 Post by William Kelley » June 25th, 2018, 10:29 pm

Have had it a couple of times in the last week and agree that it's a serious hit for Foillard. It contains the old vines that would typically go into the cuvée 3.14
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#3 Post by Dennis Atick » June 26th, 2018, 3:34 am

Ah, very good guys. Have bought this on the regular last five years or so. Have a few 16s, I've yet to try. Take one for a ride soon.
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#4 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » June 26th, 2018, 3:57 am

Great note, thanks Jeremy. What's your preferred drinking window for the Cote de Py, generally speaking?

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#5 Post by DarnellMcMasters » June 26th, 2018, 8:43 pm

I really enjoyed the 2015s. Is this even better?

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#6 Post by Jeremy Holmes » June 26th, 2018, 9:51 pm

Sarah, I have had them with 10+ years age, and enjoyed them, but tend to drink them young, within the first 5 years of release.

Darnell, as William intimates, there's some serious material in the '16 and it is a bit fresher and more detailed than the '15.
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#7 Post by William Kelley » June 26th, 2018, 11:30 pm

Foillard's wines are some of the better and more consistent propositions for bottle aging among "natural" Beaujolais producers. Had a 2006 Côte de Py the other day that is cruising along, and I still have 2009 in my cellar. But they're fun young, too. I would describe them as wines to follow with pleasure throughout their lives, rather than wines that need to be forgotten.
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#8 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » June 27th, 2018, 3:01 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:Sarah, I have had them with 10+ years age, and enjoyed them, but tend to drink them young, within the first 5 years of release.
Thanks Jeremy.

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#9 Post by Kent Comley » June 27th, 2018, 3:26 am

Interesting. Mine lobbed today. Obviously no travel shock when sent to Tanunda?
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#10 Post by Marcus Dean » September 19th, 2018, 7:07 pm

I had to throw a bit of a tantrum to get this wine in NZ, the new importer only wanted to offer it to restaurants and wine bars.

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#11 Post by Alan Eden » September 19th, 2018, 7:25 pm

Would say this is a typical very good example to try gamay ?
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#12 Post by Marcus Dean » September 19th, 2018, 7:27 pm

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#13 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » September 21st, 2018, 7:19 am

Alan Eden wrote:
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Would say this is a typical very good example to try gamay ?
FWIW, it was my gateway.
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#14 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » September 21st, 2018, 7:30 am

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#15 Post by Viet Ly » September 21st, 2018, 8:39 am

Any thoughts on the Cuvee Corcelette vs Cote du Py?

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#16 Post by M.Kaplan » September 21st, 2018, 1:40 pm

Coincidentally, we drank this tonight at the tiny (18 seat) and very good bistro, Grive. Very energetic. Excellent balance. Delicious now, but I imagine it will be better after a couple of years.
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#17 Post by Bill Moore » September 21st, 2018, 7:24 pm

DarnellMcMasters wrote:
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I really enjoyed the 2015s. Is this even better?
Yes! The 2016s are equally delicious as the 2015s but with much more structure to last. The 2016s are beautiful and have lots more spine, mineralty, and tension than the more fruit-driven 2015s.
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#18 Post by William Kelley » September 22nd, 2018, 7:20 am

Viet Ly wrote:
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Any thoughts on the Cuvee Corcelette vs Cote du Py?
Prefer the Côte de Py.

Sandy soils in Corcelette, and the wine is a bit softer and broader.
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#19 Post by Dennis Atick » September 22nd, 2018, 8:55 am

Well, I was going to post a note, but then this popped up again, so here goes:

2016 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py Gamay more
9/22/2018 -
Terrific young Cote du Py from Foillard. Floral and wet rock (life after it rains) and fall spice nose. Juicy cranberry-ish fruit, that is crunchy and so light weight, the palate texture is like silk. So smooth. Leaves you wanting more of that juice. Finishes cool and long. Such energy, no harm in drinking now, but prob has a nice long life ahead.
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#20 Post by Alan Rath » October 9th, 2018, 6:30 pm

I'll add my note to this thread. Guess I'm the lone hold out in declaring this the wine of the vintage:

2016 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (10/9/2018)
Some crushed dark fruit on the nose, along with more than a hint of sweet/sour pickle; pretty decent darker fruit on the medium bodied palate, turning sweeter strawberry on the mid-palate through the finish, with good acidity and some fine tannins hidden in there somewhere. I like this more than I did the riper 15 version, but that sweet note is not really a favorite. This bottling is getting a lot of raves, but for my tastes I preferred the 14, or the 16 Thivin I wrote up a few days ago. (88 pts.)
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#21 Post by AlexS » October 9th, 2018, 6:45 pm

I often find Thivin to be Gamay personified at it's absolute Beaujolais best, whereas Foillard often fools me into thinking outstanding 1er Cru Pinot.
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#22 Post by lleichtman » October 9th, 2018, 8:16 pm

I have the 2014 open right now and love the minerality.
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#23 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 10th, 2018, 9:47 am

This thread is making me want to pull a Foillard tonight. Won't be a '16 because I don't have mine yet, but I'm pretty sure I have others at home.
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#24 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 7th, 2019, 11:47 am

2016 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (2/24/2019)
-- popped and poured --
-- tasted non-blind over approx. 3 hours --

NOSE: typical for this bottling: carbonic, and red-fruited; high-toned with a savory aspect; expressive; hint of butterscotch off a pour that had been in the glass for about 30 minutes.

BODY: slightly hazy garnet color of medium to medium-deep depth; medium-light bodied.

TASTE: campfire smoke at first; very light, fine, gentle tannins; high acidity; alc. not noticeable; strawberry Jolly Rancher and savory cranberry; maybe a tiny hint of brett; not as ripe/glossy as some vintages; Pinot-like; this is excellent; started closing down about 3 hours in; score was a bit higher the first couple of hours, so my score might ultimately prove to be conservative. No shame in drinking now, but I see upside. Drink or Hold.

50, 5, 12, 17, 8 = (92+ pts.)
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#25 Post by John Kight » March 8th, 2019, 6:42 am

The Foillard Cote du Py is now one of my favourite wines. I am in the minority, as I prefer (at least for right now) the 2015 to the 2016. While I found most 2015 Beaujolais to be overripe, overdense, and in many cases undrinkable (Thivin Cote de Brouilly, I'm looking at you), I found the Foillard to be nearly perfect, with great complexity and terrific drinkability. By contrast, while the 2016 is certainly delicious, I find it to be just a bit too tart at this point. (Unlike some others, I find the 2015 has sufficient acidity, though on the low side for Foillard). I suspect that bodes well for the future (and I bought several magnums...still available online at Winex), but for now I'm happy to drink my '15s and I'm totally looking forward to the 2017 to arrive. I'm guessing the 2016s will be perfect in about 3-5 years...possibly more, though I have no real history of drinking aged Beaujolais, so this is pure guesswork on my part.

As a side note, I just had a delicious 2017 Charly Thevenet Regnie Gran & Granit the other day. This is one I will definitely start following and it reminded me quite a bit of a Foillard in complexity, though less elegant as it is also quite fruity, floral and powerful compared to Foillard.

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#26 Post by Mark Morrissette » March 8th, 2019, 7:07 am

I got a nice offer on the 2017 Foillard Cote du Py, and decided to grab it before the scores come out.

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#27 Post by C. Mc Cart » March 8th, 2019, 8:51 am

What's the price on the CdPy these days? 16 & 17?
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#28 Post by Mark Morrissette » March 8th, 2019, 9:25 am

WS Pro has the lowest prices as:
2016: $36
2017: $32

I just paid a bit less than the lowest WS price from JJB.

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#29 Post by Greg Mitrakas » March 8th, 2019, 9:28 am

William Kelley wrote:
June 26th, 2018, 11:30 pm
But they're fun young, too. I would describe them as wines to follow with pleasure throughout their lives, rather than wines that need to be forgotten.
Great description!

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#30 Post by Andrew S. » March 8th, 2019, 9:53 am

The 09 Foillard is terrific juice and has years and years of life ahead of it. I may be in the minority, and there is a wide variety of quality to my taste in even the top producers, but I think the 09s are legends in the making. Like the 47s as some producers have said. I've also had a few top tier producers that have lost their sparkle, I'm afraid. I look forward to trying the 16s.

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#31 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 8th, 2019, 11:42 am

Talk about consistency across vintages ... I looked at my 10 TNs in CT for this bottling. They span 5 vintages.
2016 10.0% Notes (1) / Views (616) / Helpful votes (5) / Avg. 92.0 pts. in 1 rating
2014 20.0% Notes (2) / Views (6,927) / Helpful votes (1)
2013 10.0% Notes (1) / Views (3,112) / Avg. 92.0 pts. in 1 rating
2012 10.0% Notes (1) / Views (2,136) / Helpful votes (1)
2011 50.0% Notes (5) / Views (14,359) / Helpful votes (1) / Avg. 92.0 pts. in 1 rating

Every time I've rated this bottling, I've given it 92. And I give a "gut impression " score in one of my 2014 notes --- you guessed it! 92 points.
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#32 Post by Clayton Wai-Poi » March 13th, 2019, 6:40 pm

Drunk side by side tonight:
  • 2011 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (3/13/2019)
    Bright and crystalline carmine color.

    High toned nose of forrest floor, a touch of mint, violets, and cherry.

    Lovely and seamless on the palate with a weight that floats across its length. Red fruited (mostly strawberries) with a hint of salinity, and a long crisp finish. Shows some fine grained tannin at the end but this is in a really appealing place right now, i see no need to hold (but it should last another 3-5 years).

    A like the style in this vintage... very appealing quite sexy beaujolais. (92 pts.)
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  • 2010 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (3/13/2019)
    Bright and jewel like ruby color.

    High toned nose of and a touch of raspberries, dried herbs, blue flowers, a touch of smoke and a hint of acetone.

    Delicious and resolved palate of crunchy and sweet red fruit, lots of mid palate acid, and a weightless but strong finish. Also ends with a ferrous and ever so bitter note.

    a very fine beaujolais. (91 pts.)
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#33 Post by A S K R O B A C K » March 13th, 2019, 7:04 pm

William Kelley wrote:
September 22nd, 2018, 7:20 am
Viet Ly wrote:
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Any thoughts on the Cuvee Corcelette vs Cote du Py?
Prefer the Côte de Py.

Sandy soils in Corcelette, and the wine is a bit softer and broader.
Usually I would agree, but the 2012 is the opposite by a wide margin.
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#34 Post by William Kelley » March 27th, 2019, 10:14 am

The 2017 Côte du Puy just hit the shelves here in Beaune, and I have a bottle open in front of me. It's richer than the 2016, showing warmer, sunnier fruit tones on the nose—strawberry preserve, dark cherries and licorice—though some lovely floral top-notes are emerging with air. The tannins seem just a touch drier and firmer out of the gates, though I doubt that the difference will be pronounced after another year in bottle. Very nice wine and there isn't much in it between this and the 2016, but I would give the latter a slight edge based on this first, informal encounter.
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#35 Post by Mark Morrissette » March 27th, 2019, 11:25 am

William Kelley wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 10:14 am
The 2017 Côte du Puy just hit the shelves here in Beaune, and I have a bottle open in front of me. It's richer than the 2016, showing warmer, sunnier fruit tones on the nose—strawberry preserve, dark cherries and licorice—though some lovely floral top-notes are emerging with air. The tannins seem just a touch drier and firmer out of the gates, though I doubt that the difference will be pronounced after another year in bottle. Very nice wine and there isn't much in it between this and the 2016, but I would give the latter a slight edge based on this first, informal encounter.
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#36 Post by David_K » March 27th, 2019, 12:38 pm

William Kelley wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 10:14 am
The 2017 Côte du Puy just hit the shelves here in Beaune, and I have a bottle open in front of me. It's richer than the 2016, showing warmer, sunnier fruit tones on the nose—strawberry preserve, dark cherries and licorice—though some lovely floral top-notes are emerging with air. The tannins seem just a touch drier and firmer out of the gates, though I doubt that the difference will be pronounced after another year in bottle. Very nice wine and there isn't much in it between this and the 2016, but I would give the latter a slight edge based on this first, informal encounter.
Thanks for your note, William. I have some Corcelette on order; will be interested in your thoughts on that wine as well.
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#37 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » March 27th, 2019, 1:20 pm

Just ordered our case of 2017. I think I'll open the first bottle from our case of 2014 tonight to celebrate.

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#38 Post by William Kelley » March 27th, 2019, 11:23 pm

David_K wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:38 pm
William Kelley wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 10:14 am
The 2017 Côte du Puy just hit the shelves here in Beaune, and I have a bottle open in front of me. It's richer than the 2016, showing warmer, sunnier fruit tones on the nose—strawberry preserve, dark cherries and licorice—though some lovely floral top-notes are emerging with air. The tannins seem just a touch drier and firmer out of the gates, though I doubt that the difference will be pronounced after another year in bottle. Very nice wine and there isn't much in it between this and the 2016, but I would give the latter a slight edge based on this first, informal encounter.
Thanks for your note, William. I have some Corcelette on order; will be interested in your thoughts on that wine as well.
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#39 Post by A S K R O B A C K » March 28th, 2019, 7:43 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:20 pm
Just ordered our case of 2017. I think I'll open the first bottle from our case of 2014 tonight to celebrate.
Please post your thoughts, Sarah. I have a bunch of that in off-site, as well as the 13 and 15. [cheers.gif]
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#40 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » March 29th, 2019, 5:24 am

A S K R O B A C K wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 7:43 pm
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:20 pm
Just ordered our case of 2017. I think I'll open the first bottle from our case of 2014 tonight to celebrate.
Please post your thoughts, Sarah. I have a bunch of that in off-site, as well as the 13 and 15. [cheers.gif]
I drank the 2014 over 2 nights and found it good, not great. It was pretty grapey upon opening, which is my main complaint about a lot of gamay, and is one of the reasons why I don't like Beaujolais all that much in general. Foillard's Cote du Py is the only one we buy anymore. I found the '14 lighter bodied than some vintages and not as snappy or juicy. We loved the 2013, for comparison's sake. Haven't opened any 2015 yet.

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#41 Post by Brian Heslop » March 29th, 2019, 8:59 pm

I enjoyed the'17's a little more than the'16's (perhaps even more then the'14s) my preference would be for the Eponym bottling, it has a real elegance and drive to it that I didn't see in the corcelette/cote du py.
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#42 Post by JT Ng » March 30th, 2019, 9:52 pm

William Kelley wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 10:14 am
The 2017 Côte du Puy just hit the shelves here in Beaune, and I have a bottle open in front of me. It's richer than the 2016, showing warmer, sunnier fruit tones on the nose—strawberry preserve, dark cherries and licorice—though some lovely floral top-notes are emerging with air. The tannins seem just a touch drier and firmer out of the gates, though I doubt that the difference will be pronounced after another year in bottle. Very nice wine and there isn't much in it between this and the 2016, but I would give the latter a slight edge based on this first, informal encounter.
Seen the 2015 Athanor around?

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#43 Post by A S K R O B A C K » March 31st, 2019, 8:16 am

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
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I drank the 2014 over 2 nights and found it good, not great. It was pretty grapey upon opening, which is my main complaint about a lot of gamay, and is one of the reasons why I don't like Beaujolais all that much in general. Foillard's Cote du Py is the only one we buy anymore. I found the '14 lighter bodied than some vintages and not as snappy or juicy. We loved the 2013, for comparison's sake. Haven't opened any 2015 yet.
Thanks! I have six mags of the 2013 for some strange reason, so I'm happy to hear that.
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#44 Post by William Kelley » March 31st, 2019, 10:37 am

JT Ng wrote:
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The 2017 Côte du Puy just hit the shelves here in Beaune, and I have a bottle open in front of me. It's richer than the 2016, showing warmer, sunnier fruit tones on the nose—strawberry preserve, dark cherries and licorice—though some lovely floral top-notes are emerging with air. The tannins seem just a touch drier and firmer out of the gates, though I doubt that the difference will be pronounced after another year in bottle. Very nice wine and there isn't much in it between this and the 2016, but I would give the latter a slight edge based on this first, informal encounter.
Seen the 2015 Athanor around?
Not yet, and am not especially chasing 2015s to be honest, having bought those that excited me and forgotten about them in the cellar. Indeed, in that genre I'm a bit apprehensive about my 10 days of tasting 2018s that's coming up in June. Have heard tell of some monster wines.
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Re: Tn: 2016 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py

#45 Post by A S K R O B A C K » March 31st, 2019, 5:54 pm

May I ask folks what is the oldest Foillards they have tasted, and how did they think they showed?
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#46 Post by Marc Frontario » March 31st, 2019, 6:05 pm

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#47 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » March 31st, 2019, 6:07 pm

A S K R O B A C K wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 5:54 pm
May I ask folks what is the oldest Foillards they have tasted, and how did they think they showed?
Not old by any stretch, but I had the 2009 yesterday. It was OK, but nearly a decade in the cellar had not brought any nuances.
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#48 Post by A S K R O B A C K » March 31st, 2019, 6:15 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 6:07 pm
A S K R O B A C K wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 5:54 pm
May I ask folks what is the oldest Foillards they have tasted, and how did they think they showed?
Not old by any stretch, but I had the 2009 yesterday. It was OK, but nearly a decade in the cellar had not brought any nuances.
Thanks, David. I had a 2005 Lapierre Morgon last fall. I found it wonderful, but very different. My father, who is a big Gamay fan, did not like it very much.
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Re: Tn: 2016 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py

#49 Post by m. ristev » March 31st, 2019, 6:33 pm

i had a 2005 foillard fleurie which was awesome (drank somewhere around 12 years in bottle). it definitely was very pinot like and resembled more of an aged burgundy experience than drinking a gamay. no signs of being tired or decline.
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#50 Post by A S K R O B A C K » March 31st, 2019, 7:34 pm

thx!
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