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#1 Post by Pat Martin » June 25th, 2018, 6:43 pm

2000 Magdelaine
I didn’t discover this Rightie until fairly late (thanks Ramon, Dale and Jay), buying my first bottles only ~7 years ago. But along with Chateau Canon discovered around the same time, it’s been a torrid romance ever since and these two estates have come to epitomize for me the heights that great, old school, terroir-driven, merlot-based Bordeaux can attain. It’s that much more special given how rare such things have become.

Trusting the vintage, I loaded up on the 2000 Magdelaine a few years ago at a good price. I just tried my first bottle from that haul.

Man, what a beguiling, almost unique expression of wine. This is in early maturity, offering lots of enjoyment already. There’s a signature earthy, loamy, minerally, freshly-tilled Mollisol profile that is truly special. Some experienced winos really dislike this essence of “dirt” that Magdelaine and Canon can show, but I can’t get enough. There’s plenty of black cherry to go along with this terroir expression and a minty topnote, but they play an (important) second fiddle. Terrific brightness and excellent concentration and sweetness for this Château (which can be overly lean in weak years). Long finish.

To be fair, this wine could easily be overlooked at a big tasting. I had the whole bottle to follow over two evenings and its quiet spell only grew the longer I spent with the bottle. Other than Canon, the wines that this most remind me of this are a flight of 90, 91 and 92 DRCs I was recently treated to in London. Those DRCs were superior wines overall to be sure, but this Magdelaine evoked those wines for me which is some extraordinarily high praise.
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#2 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 25th, 2018, 6:49 pm

Oh wow what a beautiful note. I wish I had more of this classic wine. I popped a gorgeous 66 with MarcF recently, and that earth profile was so unique. Thanks for sharing.

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#3 Post by Jayson Cohen » June 25th, 2018, 7:05 pm

1966 and 1967 were among the first two I tried, thanks to the close friend who put me onto Magdelaine about 16 years ago. Both gorgeous wines.

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#4 Post by Jayson Cohen » June 25th, 2018, 7:18 pm

Just what I thought might happen, Patrick. You pushed robal to action. He couldn’t resist the temptation. I could practically hear the: “I must have this wine! Brahahahahaha.” I won’t say more....

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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 25th, 2018, 7:38 pm

Ha. Patrick has golden palate!

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#6 Post by Pat Martin » June 25th, 2018, 8:44 pm

You know, I waited until I won a few more at WineBid on Sunday before posting this note.

Robal, you’ll love this but no rush here, I bet it is even better in 5-10.
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#7 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 26th, 2018, 4:33 am

Believe it or not, I've never had one. Think the ship has pretty much sailed now. Thanks for the lovely note
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#8 Post by Ramon C » June 26th, 2018, 5:21 am

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Some experienced winos really dislike this essence of “dirt” that Magdelaine and Canon can show, but I can’t get enough.
Same here, I just can't get enough. I wish there were more.

Thanks for the very nice note on a vintage that I have not tasted, but have bottles that I bought blindly and stored away.

Btw, I drank a 2007 version last month, and even that was truly Magdelaine in profile and taste. But not sure (am never sure, anyway) if they'll make old bones.

edited to add: DRCs in London ... awesome! Looks looks like Ian and team took very good care of you with your visit.
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#9 Post by Pat Martin » June 26th, 2018, 8:25 pm

Yeah, Ramon, that London stop over was incredible. 82 Bordeaux the first night, 90-92 DRC and 90 Leroy the second night. Some of the very best wines I’ve ever had, the 90 DRC Richebourg in particular was close to perfection.

Really great to see Ian again for several days. We had a cleansing ale both nights and made some half-hearted attempts to party with a hip crowd half our age.
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#10 Post by Ramon C » June 27th, 2018, 6:51 am

I expected no less than you guys in London re-experiencing all our NYC post wine-dinners of local pub-crawls for pints of cleansing ales, and with the added kicks of getting to know the pretty bar patrons. Good old days!

Glad to know that you got together in London, and with awesome beverages, too! Last visited Ian and Maureen in 2016, but it was a hurried 2-day trip for me and yet he still harnessed local wine-geeks and got together for some good old 2nd Growths at a local restaurant. But no pub and cleansing ales after, as I had a very early next-day flight out.

Oh, and by the way, because of this post, I winesearched and ended up buying a couple of 1982s.
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#11 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 24th, 2018, 4:54 pm

I grabbed a few 2000s and 2002s based on this note by Pat. I have some other vintages as well across the spectrum. So I finally got around to trying this 2000. I am not sure I have the vocabulary to equal Pat's wonderful note, but I confirm, he is spot on. I love the rich, dank, wet soil profile on this wine. I have no clue what the earth here looks like, but my visual is something dark, moist, infused with coarse rocks and minerals. The soil note is almost gamey. Has that minty profile that Magdelaine always seems to showcase, most notably in leaner vintages like 2002 and 2011, followed by a deep range of red and black fruits. The nose, beguiling. This is not a wine for modernists, and probably not even for all lovers of classic Bordeaux. It is an archetype of nothing but itself. Such a distinct wine.

This wine is into the drinking window, but still young in that regard. Can easily go for a very long haul. Having had a 1966 this past year, and read notes from others on this forum, this is certainly a winery that can withstand the test of time.

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#12 Post by Karl K » December 24th, 2018, 8:32 pm

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#13 Post by William Kelley » December 25th, 2018, 2:12 am

Just opened the first bottle of a case of 1998! Smells amazing. On aromas alone it's getting the best of a 1995 Figeac for the moment, but let's see.
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#14 Post by Gerhard P. » December 25th, 2018, 2:48 am

Ch.Magdelaine was always a very fine drink, quite traditionally made and aging beautifully. Never really spectacular, but always really good.
We had a huge Magdelaine fan in our monthly tasting group, so I got to taste a lot of it over the years.

Unfortunately since 2012 it has been merge with Ch.Belair into Belair-Monange and is made in a quite modern style ...
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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 25th, 2018, 4:40 am

William Kelley wrote:
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Just opened the first bottle of a case of 1998! Smells amazing. On aromas alone it's getting the best of a 1995 Figeac for the moment, but let's see.
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#16 Post by William Kelley » December 25th, 2018, 5:23 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 25th, 2018, 4:40 am
William Kelley wrote:
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Just opened the first bottle of a case of 1998! Smells amazing. On aromas alone it's getting the best of a 1995 Figeac for the moment, but let's see.
I think Sir William owes us a note.....

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#17 Post by Diane Kessler » December 25th, 2018, 6:09 am

If I hadn't pulled a wine for tonight's dinner (1990 Dominus), I would now be digging around the cellar for one of my 2000 Magdelaine. I had one about 5 years ago and decided to let the rest slumber.

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#18 Post by Pat Martin » December 25th, 2018, 9:03 am

Great note, Robert! Nice to read on Christmas Day too. Glad you liked it as much as I did.

Depending on the mood, I sometimes don’t score wines, but if I had, 93-94 points would be right about where I’d put the 2000 Magdelaine as well. It should give us wonderful drinking for another 20+ years*, I’d wager.

For my palate, I would say Magdelaine is quite capable of spectacular, but I didn’t always feel that way. I think this wine and it’s style takes a little while to get used to (maybe like an old school Cornas?), but once it charms you, it doesn’t let go.

*my favorite vintage of Magdelaine is the 1970, which is still in fine fiddle, followed closely by the sexy 1982. I would put both of these in the spectacular category. But so many vintages are really good (66, 85, 89, 90, 98).
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#19 Post by William Kelley » December 25th, 2018, 9:11 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
December 25th, 2018, 4:40 am
William Kelley wrote:
December 25th, 2018, 2:12 am
Just opened the first bottle of a case of 1998! Smells amazing. On aromas alone it's getting the best of a 1995 Figeac for the moment, but let's see.
I think Sir William owes us a note.....

Don’t be a tease!
The 1998 is still a bit too young, and at this stage the bouquet is dominated by dark berry and currant fruit, with nuances of menthol, cigar smoke and rich soil in the background. The framing of new oak is quite prominent but integrates with extended aeration (I double-decanted at noon to drink with dinner). On the palate, the wine is medium to full-bodied, velvety and precise, with supple but not yet melted tannins, ripe but lively acids and sneaky structural tension that belies its suave, elegant profile. The finish is long, and at this stage still slightly oak-inflected. I would say four or five years more patience will see it hit its stride, at least from this case.
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 25th, 2018, 10:38 am

Nicely done, William! See, that wasn’t work, just simple pleasure!

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#21 Post by Arv R » December 25th, 2018, 11:37 am

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#22 Post by David Glasser » December 25th, 2018, 10:43 pm

Sounds like the 2000 is in a great spot. This is one I’ll need to seek out.

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#23 Post by Ian A » December 26th, 2018, 5:22 am

David I just did. Trusting Patrick’s and Ramon’s palate I just bought a case realising I have very little Magdelaine in my cellar, just the odd bottle of 1988. Probably not as cheap as it was seven years ago.
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#24 Post by Ramon C » December 26th, 2018, 7:01 am

Given how good vintage Magdelaine’s price creeps up over time, Ian’s case price would likely be a steal 7 years from now.
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#25 Post by Pat Martin » December 26th, 2018, 8:48 am

I paid $93 all-in at auction for a few recent bottles of the 2000 Magdelaine. That is a fair/good price I think, especially given that the final releases (2009, 2010, 2011) are at least that much at retail.

By the way, one critic who fully gets Magdelaine is John Gilman — for my money, his Magdelaine notes and scores are spot on across the board (and I hope he’s especially correct about that 08 which I got a case of when K&L was dumping it for $45).
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#26 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 26th, 2018, 9:04 am

I paid $80 and $99 this year for the 2000 and $45 for the 2002. The 2011 was like $50 at a Wally’s sale, then I paid normal retail for 2009 and 2010, like $90-100.

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#27 Post by Pat Martin » December 26th, 2018, 9:23 am

$50 for Magdelaine is a no-brainer. Nice scores!
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#28 Post by David Glasser » December 26th, 2018, 1:25 pm

I’m seeing the 2000 for $103 but not sure if I can get it shipped here. Will do a bit of research.

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#29 Post by Ian A » December 26th, 2018, 3:41 pm

I paid the equivalent of $110 per bottle all in after tax.
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#30 Post by PCLIN » December 26th, 2018, 3:55 pm

‘89 could be great but some bottles still tannic surprisingly. The hardest to source is probably the ‘85.
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#31 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 26th, 2018, 4:18 pm

I snagged an 85 off WineBid. I think Jayson brought it to my attention. Have never had it, but soon.

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#32 Post by Jayson Cohen » December 26th, 2018, 6:11 pm

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The hardest to source is probably the ‘85.
Agree - I keep an eye out for small lots. Pounced on a single bottle on Winebid last April for $115 hammer.

Edit: now I see Robert chimed in. There were 2 or 3 single lot bottles last spring.

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#33 Post by Tom Reddick » December 26th, 2018, 9:43 pm

FWIW- Moueix are now starting to do library releases of Chateau Magdelaine. This fall I purchased a 6 pack of the 1994 and a 12 bottle OWC with 3 bottles each of the 2000, 1998, 1990 and 1975 (OWC branded to indicate the vintages included.) I am hopeful that some future releases will include the 1985 which, as others have indicated, is very hard to find.

Obviously these bottles are more expensive than secondary market purchases- I think I paid around $2,500 for the mixed case and $700 for the six pack of 1994- but I would also advise that the premium is worth it given Magdelaine's history in the US marketplace. Simply put, while a small number of us are rabid fans, the world at large has not shared that love- especially starting in the late 90s when the stylistic shift in Bordeaux to suit the current market really started to accelerate. As such, older vintages in the secondary marketplace today have a higher risk than usual for potentially having languished in retail conditions for an excessive period of time. CT tells that tale well- there are quite a few lackluster TNs that are suggestive of bottles that are advanced due to poor provenance.

You never know- but generally Magdelaine is most safely purchased when a broker or auction house gets a collection of several vintages held by a Magdelaine fan and collector, or now via these library releases. (And note- my ITB status has zero connection with distribution of Magdelaine library releases, plus my extensive holdings are for my own consumption and would be among the last things I would ever sell should I find myself needing to trim the cellar.)
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#34 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 27th, 2018, 6:47 am

Love the funk in Magdelaine
The 2000 is starting to show it [cheers.gif]
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#35 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » December 27th, 2018, 7:19 am

Great notes Pat and Rob. Love Mageldelaine and continue to be impressed by some under the radar 2000s which continue to show very well. The vintage obviously got hype for the FGs and it’s millennial symbolism but some great juice around.

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#36 Post by David Glasser » April 5th, 2019, 6:30 pm

I picked up a few of these because of this thread, and I have to say the wine is everything Pat and Robert have made it out to be.
  • 2000 Château Magdelaine - France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru (4/5/2019)
    Purchased 2019 from Benchmark. Perfect cork and fill, dark red core, lighter at rim without bricking. Nose is all about rich, moist, dark earth overlying dark cherry and hints of mint and vegetal notes. Medium body, excellent balance, fruit and earthy notes play beautifully off of each other. Moderate aged complexity with plenty of acid and fruit to develop even more in the coming years. Drinking wonderfully now but still on the upswing. Excellent.

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#37 Post by Jay Miller » April 8th, 2019, 5:02 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
December 26th, 2018, 9:43 pm
FWIW- Moueix are now starting to do library releases of Chateau Magdelaine. This fall I purchased a 6 pack of the 1994 and a 12 bottle OWC with 3 bottles each of the 2000, 1998, 1990 and 1975 (OWC branded to indicate the vintages included.) I am hopeful that some future releases will include the 1985 which, as others have indicated, is very hard to find.

Obviously these bottles are more expensive than secondary market purchases- I think I paid around $2,500 for the mixed case and $700 for the six pack of 1994- but I would also advise that the premium is worth it given Magdelaine's history in the US marketplace. Simply put, while a small number of us are rabid fans, the world at large has not shared that love- especially starting in the late 90s when the stylistic shift in Bordeaux to suit the current market really started to accelerate. As such, older vintages in the secondary marketplace today have a higher risk than usual for potentially having languished in retail conditions for an excessive period of time. CT tells that tale well- there are quite a few lackluster TNs that are suggestive of bottles that are advanced due to poor provenance.

You never know- but generally Magdelaine is most safely purchased when a broker or auction house gets a collection of several vintages held by a Magdelaine fan and collector, or now via these library releases. (And note- my ITB status has zero connection with distribution of Magdelaine library releases, plus my extensive holdings are for my own consumption and would be among the last things I would ever sell should I find myself needing to trim the cellar.)
They did a library release of the 1985 a few years ago. I snagged 2 bottles,but iirc they were pricey.
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#38 Post by Todd F r e n c h » April 8th, 2019, 9:57 am

I'm STILL chasing down some Magdelaine because WB has made it the most desirable wine I've not yet found...
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#39 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 8th, 2019, 10:41 am

I just grabbed some 1982 Magdelaine.

Rare Wine Company has a mag of 1975 library release for $499.

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#40 Post by Claus Jeppesen » April 8th, 2019, 10:51 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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I just grabbed some 1982 Magdelaine.

Rare Wine Company has a mag of 1975 library release for $499.
Luckily most vintages received bad rating from the Niel Young lookalike with the 15 point system, so they are priced @ max 60 $ here in EU
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#41 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 8th, 2019, 11:17 am

It's gotta taste better, Claus, at the $499 price. Right?

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#42 Post by Claus Jeppesen » April 8th, 2019, 11:24 am

Never tried 1982, but I am sure it is great. Maybe not 499$ great
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#43 Post by Jay Miller » April 8th, 2019, 12:14 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
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Never tried 1982, but I am sure it is great. Maybe not 499$ great
Just bought 85, 86,89,90,94
It is great. For me at least it is not $499 great.
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#44 Post by Jayson Cohen » April 8th, 2019, 2:08 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
April 8th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
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Never tried 1982, but I am sure it is great. Maybe not 499$ great
Just bought 85, 86,89,90,94
It is great. For me at least it is not $499 great.
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#45 Post by Pat Martin » April 9th, 2019, 9:02 am

I just grabbed a few 1998 Magdelaine for $110.
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#46 Post by Ramon C » April 9th, 2019, 11:14 am

1998 for $110. Is that 1.5L?
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#47 Post by Pat Martin » April 9th, 2019, 3:32 pm

Alas, no. 750 ml, $110 (that price includes the sales tax now being charged but not shipping)
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#48 Post by David Glasser » June 16th, 2019, 4:24 pm

Brought another bottle of this to a BWE gathering in DC last night. Showing really well, just as the notes above describe it. Among my top 2 or 3 on the night, with 1989 Pichon Baron, 1990 Léoville Barton, 1986 Talbot, and another passel of excellent Bordeaux.

Hate to admit it, but WOTN was a 1995 Bouchard Corton. My Bordeaux badge may be revoked.

Edit: 1986, not 1886 Talbot
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Re: 2000 Magdelaine

#49 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 16th, 2019, 4:38 pm

David Glasser wrote:
June 16th, 2019, 4:24 pm
Brought another bottle of this to a BWE gathering in DC last night. Showing really well, just as the notes above describe it. Among my top 2 or 3 on the night, with 1989 Pichon Baron, 1990 Léoville Barton, 1886 Talbot, and another passel of excellent Bordeaux.

Hate to admit it, but WOTN was a 1995 Bouchard Corton. My Bordeaux badge may be revoked.
That is a killer line-up, minus the Burg, of course. I may need to break up with you. I cannot image what that 100+ year old Talbot was like! [cheers.gif]

Ok, I know that’s a typo. The 86 Cordier stable is exceptional. And the 89 Pichon Baron and 90 Leoville Barton, are oh my gosh wines for me. I’ve had several bottles of the 2000 Magdelaine. It’s excellent. Would love to see how it fares in that left bank line-up. Hard to beat Cordier from that era, but even that 89 Baron knocks me out.

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Re: 2000 Magdelaine

#50 Post by David Glasser » June 16th, 2019, 6:58 pm

Oops, typo fixed...

1989 Pichon Baron and 1986 Talbot have been so consistently great for so many years.

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