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#1 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 17th, 2018, 3:31 am

A youthful wine that is just starting to flesh out and show some complex little things beyond its tremendous core of delicious fruit.

I really cannot get over the intensity of fruit on this wine. This is a Cabernet Franc vintage for VCC, something like 30% in the mix, and it shows in a glorious way, giving the wine a really broad range in the fruit spectrum. The attack is all red fruits, an intense core of deep, ripe, but high acid red fruits that made me think of a structured vintage of Rougeard. The core is rounded out by dark and plummy fruits, some tangy quality given the vintage. Moist tobacco leaf, wet mossy earth and truffles as the wine opened over the evening. Decanted for 45 minutes, would recommend a bit longer as the wine did open up much more into the glass.

Excellent wine, I immediately emailed my local retailer for more when I got home, sadly he was all gone!

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#2 Post by Russell Faulkner » June 17th, 2018, 4:07 am

Nice. Have a case I haven’t opened yet (and a 95 too)

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#3 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » June 17th, 2018, 4:12 am

I purchased 6 bottles at release. Not tried any. Your note looks very promising, I as would have expected.

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#4 Post by Mark Golodetz » June 17th, 2018, 5:47 am

Very quietly, VCC seems to have taken its place as the best Pomerol outside of Petrus and possibly Lafleur. While I understand the allure of Le Pin, I can’t think of a recent vintage that I like it as much as VCC.

A recent tasting showed the wines can age effortlessly for decades. Since the mid nineties the wines have been consistently superb, and for me, the greatest VCC is 2005, but the 2004 is one of the best of the vintage and not too far away.

Seems I am not the only one to see how good the quality is, as prices are on the up, although there are some stray bottles of the brilliant 2014 at around $160 a bottle.
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#5 Post by Ramon C » June 17th, 2018, 6:08 am

2004 VCC was one of the wines of the vintage for me back when I tasted at release, and at the winery. Have not tasted since, and so thanks for the data.
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#6 Post by D Zurcher » June 17th, 2018, 6:10 am

Nice note....I should hunt down a few bottles of VCC. I've tasted a few bottles over the years, all were wonderful, but I have never bought any. Not sure why....
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#7 Post by Russell Faulkner » June 17th, 2018, 7:15 am

Prices doubled in 2005, IIRC.

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#8 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 17th, 2018, 7:58 am

I agree Mark. It’s solidly in my top five favorite Bordeaux. I don’t put the First Growths in my top five - for the obvious reason, price - but VCC is First Growth quality regardless.

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#9 Post by Mark Golodetz » June 17th, 2018, 10:40 am

Robert,
You should buy some of those 2014s.
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#10 Post by lleichtman » June 17th, 2018, 11:16 am

Bought a half case for $750 at release.
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#11 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 17th, 2018, 11:29 am

I have a 1966 standing up and was going to open it tonight, but no one is drinking with me. *sad face* Soon. Maybe on my birthday
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#12 Post by RobLloydq » June 17th, 2018, 3:24 pm

Nice note Robert. There was a good event here with Alexandre Thienpont a few months ago and he opened possibly another wine of the vintage, 2006, which was also excellent. He also spoke highly of 2004 and noted that these types of vintages are simply more interesting from a wine grower’s perspective.

I’d recommend listening to his interview with Levi Dalton.

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#13 Post by Joshua Kates » June 17th, 2018, 3:58 pm

RobLloydq wrote:Nice note Robert. There was a good event here with Alexandre Thienpont a few months ago and he opened possibly another wine of the vintage, 2006, which was also excellent.
Good to know, Robert,
I had seen this thread earlier and was about to post asking for word on the 2006, as I have been cellaring some.

Thanks!

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#14 Post by Karl K » June 17th, 2018, 5:32 pm

I too am a VCC fan.

This thread reminds me to get more

Had an 86 a few years ago which was strongly leafy, more than I would prefer
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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 17th, 2018, 5:35 pm

I’m grabbing more 2010. My local guy has more. Was holding off given the ager of a vintage, but WTF, love this stuff too much.

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#16 Post by Ramon C » June 17th, 2018, 5:38 pm

Have to agree with Mark. 2005 is in another stratosphere.
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#17 Post by RyanC » June 17th, 2018, 7:22 pm

I really like 2004 and I love VCC. I need to find some of this.
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#18 Post by Frank Drew » June 18th, 2018, 9:32 pm

Thanks for the note, Robert; I had the '98 a little over a month ago, my first try of VCC of any vintage. I'd bought the bottle on release and it was in like-new condition. It reminded me a bit of La Conseillante's style -- sneaky power, or maybe quiet power, not an obvious blockbuster. The three of us drinking it with dinner liked it a great deal; I don't drink a ton of Bordeaux these days but this (like La Conseillante) really hit my pleasure zone.

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#19 Post by Russell Faulkner » June 19th, 2018, 1:58 am

2017 out at €196 a bottle.

Not for me.

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#20 Post by Mark Golodetz » June 19th, 2018, 5:43 am

Frank Drew wrote:Thanks for the note, Robert; I had the '98 a little over a month ago, my first try of VCC of any vintage. I'd bought the bottle on release and it was in like-new condition. It reminded me a bit of La Conseillante's style -- sneaky power, or maybe quiet power, not an obvious blockbuster. The three of us drinking it with dinner liked it a great deal; I don't drink a ton of Bordeaux these days but this (like La Conseillante) really hit my pleasure zone.

We had the two side by side, the Conseillante had far more of a herbal edge than VCC. Both very good, but I preferred VCC
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#21 Post by Mark Golodetz » June 19th, 2018, 5:44 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:2017 out at €196 a bottle.

Not for me.

Yeah, not for me either. Got enough, otherwise I would be backfilling.
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#22 Post by Frank Drew » June 19th, 2018, 11:10 am

Mark,
Which vintages of VCC and La Conseillante did you have together? 1998? I've only had the '85, '89, '90 and '99 La Conseillante, and for the earlier three I was lucky to have begun buying wine just before the big price escalations began in the mid-'90s, so they were all in $50-60 range. The '85 is my one of my all-time favorite wines, from anywhere.

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#23 Post by Mark Golodetz » June 19th, 2018, 12:50 pm

Frank, I have tasted VCC extensively, while I have had far fewer la Conseillantes. They did a large vertical of la Conseillante at the Chateau about 4 yeas ago, and overall very impressed with the overall quality, and loved the 1989/1990 combination. The 2005 was young and powerful but hard to gauge, and the 1998 there was also a tad green, close to and probably slightly overstepping my limits. The star was the bottle of 1945 which they threw in at last minute.

Since then, apart from the 1998 flight, the only real time I have tasted Conseillante was at the Burdigala event in NY, where I sat at La Conseillante table.

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#24 Post by Frank Drew » June 21st, 2018, 10:27 am

Mark, I remember your thread on the Burdigala evening.

I believe that La Conseillante doesn't always realize the potential of their terroir.

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#25 Post by Mark Golodetz » June 21st, 2018, 3:02 pm

It is interesting how close L'Evangile, Conseillante and Cheval are too each other, and how different the wines are.

I will say that 1946 Conseillante was unbelievably good, and I did not want to say too much about it as it was my bottle, but it is among the greatest Pomerols (wines) I have ever had. The 1945 was amazing too. We know how great the potential is, but even the better vintages like 1989/1990 still fall a little below that extraordinary duo.
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#26 Post by A S K R O B A C K » June 23rd, 2018, 7:07 am

Happy to have picked up a case of the 2004 for $78 all in per a few years after release. Have not cracked the case yet. Thanks for the note - sounds like a good one is waiting in the wings.
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#27 Post by Lee Barnard » February 9th, 2019, 8:48 pm

Was able to backfill a few of these at a good price, so opened one. Just delicious. Sultry and spicy red fruit, but kept in check by the Cab Franc and acid. Wet earth, truffle and florals. The only knock is the slight dryness of the tannins on the finish. Maybe just entering a youthful peak. Shooting myself in the foot since I'm a buyer of more, but seems way undervalued due to the 2004 vintage.

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#28 Post by Rich Stahmer » February 10th, 2019, 3:18 pm

Thanks for the note. I own some since it's my anniversary year but haven't opened one yet. Sounds great

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#29 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 10th, 2019, 3:25 pm

The re-surfacing of this thread got me searching, but I ended up buying other stuff. Prices definitely up. I'd love to grab some 2000, 01, 04 and 11.

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