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#101 Post by Eric Lundblad » August 17th, 2018, 5:49 pm

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I was under the impression you can use it for multiple pours over time with the same bottle. So thinking might be able to use it for a second bottle if you use the first one for the initial bottle quickly?
I've used the repour for multiple bottles...it can handle a second bottle if 'lightly' used for the first bottle. You need to seal the repour in between uses, duct tape works well. Wipe the repour opening with a towel of some sort to insure a good duct tape seal, otherwise you'll lose its effectiveness.
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#102 Post by Karen Troisi » August 20th, 2018, 6:52 am

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We have use these in our tasting room since mid-May on all our red wines. We were very impressed with the results and I just placed a reordered. Wholesale pricing makes it a no brainer - much cheaper than argon and just as effective. Our staff loves them.
Have you used multiple bottles with one Repour?
Sorry for the late response. Yes we find that a repour usually lasts about two bottles (and that is constantly removing and recorking a bottle in the tasting room). For personal usage you would probably get more bottles - I would simply tape up the bottom so it wasn’t exposed to air and then remove the tape when you are ready to use it again.
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#103 Post by Sh@n A » August 20th, 2018, 7:58 am

What I want most is the ability to pour glasses of a single 750 without the pressure of finishing the entire bottle that day or the next day. E.G., pouring out half a bottle on Day 1 and consuming the remaining half on Day 3. I purchased a Coravin and afraid to use it because the wines did feel flatter the few times I used it, and the one time I Coravined and waited 2 weeks to consume the rest, the bottle was a oxygenated/very disappointing. Keen to pick up a few of these. Totally OK with the the cost per disposable use, because the enjoyment pick up will be substantial, let alone less waste. Doesn't allow for glass-by-glass, but just breaking 750s into 375s is value added!
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#104 Post by Mark Cochard » August 20th, 2018, 10:57 am

They gave out 4 packs to all attendees at Texsom last week.

This is from the discussion forum on Guild Somm.
This is the inventor Tom Lutz, Ph.D. talking.

"Repour is designed to save one full bottle of wine, consumed glass-by-glass, with perfect wine preservation on all glasses. I wanted to share a bit of the math behind the oxygen absorbing design of Repour so that you can fully understand and use Repour to achieve optimal results for your testing.

Repour has a nominal oxygen absorbing capacity to remove all of the oxygen from 1500 ml of air (5 glass pours from 750 ml bottle). There is a bit of excess safety capacity in each Repour stopper to allow for a bit of variability in use (sitting on the counter for a couple of minutes, etc) so the true absolute max is about 2000 ml. The math works like this,
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1 glass gone = 150 ml
2 glass gone = 300 ml
3 glass gone = 450 ml
4 glass gone = 600 ml
5 glass gone = empty
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Total Air = 1500 ml
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If you track the "air" in a very small pour setting, you will need to change to a new Repour stopper when the bottle is between 1/2-2/3 empty to save the full bottle as Ben has noted below."


Here is pdf from his bio on GuildSomm regrarding the chemistry
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#105 Post by Robert Grenley » August 20th, 2018, 5:26 pm

So, in cases where the Repour is used at the end of an evening to "arrest" further degradation of a partially consumed bottle, and assuming that it is properly sealed between uses, it would seem that one Repour could be used for anywhere from 2 to a few bottles before reaching it's 1500 cc O2-absorbing capacity (and Tom Lutz says that the actual capacity is more like 2000-2200cc so that there is a safe buffer above the 1500cc capacity claimed to protect a bottle consumed one glass at a time as above). It will be interesting to experiment with this.
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#106 Post by Alan Rath » August 20th, 2018, 5:43 pm

Mark Cochard wrote:
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1 glass gone = 150 ml
2 glass gone = 300 ml
3 glass gone = 450 ml
4 glass gone = 600 ml
5 glass gone = empty
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Total Air = 1500 ml
And that assumes that the entire "empty" volume of the bottle is replaced by fresh air each time you pour a glass, which is certainly not the case. But if they've factored that in, using it again on another freshly opened bottle might be problematic.
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#107 Post by Sh@n A » August 20th, 2018, 5:46 pm

I was thinking the reverse, that they didn’t allocate enough time for being on the counter.
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#108 Post by Alan Rath » August 20th, 2018, 6:17 pm

Their numbers are the "worst case", i.e., air space completely replaced with fresh air after each pour.
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#109 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 20th, 2018, 6:28 pm

Cheap enough to give them a try. Ordered a 10 pack on Amazon
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#110 Post by Russ Williams » August 20th, 2018, 7:57 pm

Why is this device better than pouring half the bottle into an airtight 375ml vessel stored in the fridge?
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#111 Post by Robert Grenley » August 20th, 2018, 10:01 pm

I was wondering the same thing...though I have also wondered why a wine that tasted really good at the end of an evening degrades overnight when placed in a 375ml screwtop filled to the brim. Unless it is O2 that is in solution in the wine that continues to oxidize and degrade the wine. The Repour inventor says that the O2 is removed from the airspace and that subsequently the O2 in solution in the wine comes out of solution and is removed as well, which if true might explain why this would be better than the 375ml screwtop with no airspace. If this is indeed the case.
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#112 Post by c fu » August 20th, 2018, 10:38 pm

had a 2015 Gangloff la Barbarine chilling in my fridge with a Repour on it for about 12 days. Had 1/3rd the bottle left. Still lots of fresh fruit on the nose, dark inky color on the visual. Still showed a bit of the bitter oak but didn't have quite the density of fruit. But held up really well I thought since we had initially double decanted the wine when we opened it.
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#113 Post by Yao C » August 21st, 2018, 9:22 am

Alan Rath wrote:
August 20th, 2018, 6:17 pm
Their numbers are the "worst case", i.e., air space completely replaced with fresh air after each pour.
Alan is it not a reasonable assumption that all the air will have been replaced in the bottle? Especially if you're not rushing to recork the bottle immediately after? I don't know the math around diffusion of gases etc etc
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#114 Post by Alan Rath » August 21st, 2018, 10:06 am

It would probably take 5-10 minutes for the air to be completely replaced after pouring out a couple of glasses. So leaving it on the counter for 30 seconds or a minute won't do all that much. Of course, each glass you pour out will be replaced with an equal volume of air right away, but the air that's already in there will take some time.

Edited to clarify: the first glass you pour out, air replaces that instantly. If you come back the next day and pour out a glass, that amount of air will replace the liquid volume instantly, but the first glass worth of air will take more time. And that doesn't account for the fluid dynamics of the air movement while pouring. I actually like that Repour used the worst case estimate in their calculations, just pointing out you might get a bit more out of it than they claim.
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#115 Post by Sh@n A » August 21st, 2018, 10:09 am

So putting this material onto corks at time of manufacture, and then using a Coravin, would solve everything.... any oxygen that manages to leak into a bottle filled with Coravin gas would be absorbed by the oxygen absorbing material on the original cork.
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#116 Post by Justin S » August 21st, 2018, 10:26 am

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So putting this material onto corks at time of manufacture, and then using a Coravin, would solve everything.... any oxygen that manages to leak into a bottle filled with Coravin gas would be absorbed by the oxygen absorbing material on the original cork.
Once you insert the Repour stopper, you have to keep the bottle upright, as the wine cannot come into contact with the absorptive material.
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#117 Post by Robert Grenley » August 21st, 2018, 11:15 am

Maybe we are just excessive imbibers, but we don't tend to open a decent bottle for one glass. But I would use this frequently for saving the remnant in a (?second) bottle at the end of the evening. I have just ordered a pack to try. But I have suggested it to a couple of wine-loving friends whose spouses no longer drink and that has interfered with their ability to open nice bottles from their cellars. Fortunately we are not afflicted so.
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#118 Post by larry schaffer » August 21st, 2018, 11:30 am

The real 'test' is using this side by side with other methods - and doing this with multiple bottles and a number of times. Everything else just seems to be 'seat of the pants', no?

Sounds like an interesting thing to use - I find my screw caps do a great job of 'holding a wine steady' for a couple of days or more, especially when placed in the regular fridge.

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#119 Post by Yao C » August 21st, 2018, 4:11 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
August 21st, 2018, 10:06 am
It would probably take 5-10 minutes for the air to be completely replaced after pouring out a couple of glasses. So leaving it on the counter for 30 seconds or a minute won't do all that much. Of course, each glass you pour out will be replaced with an equal volume of air right away, but the air that's already in there will take some time.

Edited to clarify: the first glass you pour out, air replaces that instantly. If you come back the next day and pour out a glass, that amount of air will replace the liquid volume instantly, but the first glass worth of air will take more time. And that doesn't account for the fluid dynamics of the air movement while pouring. I actually like that Repour used the worst case estimate in their calculations, just pointing out you might get a bit more out of it than they claim.
Ooh interesting; 5-10m is not at all intuitive to me. I'll be less squeamish about reusing them now
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#120 Post by Karen Troisi » August 28th, 2018, 4:53 am

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I checked the website, and it suggests it can be used multiple times with one bottle. "Repour was carefully designed to absorb the oxygen of one bottle of wine, savored over several glasses, over an extended period of time. If used on a second bottle, it may lose its oxygen-absorbing capacity before you are done with your bottle." It depends on how much ferrous carbonate is in them, and how much oxygen it's exposed to with each time it's used and removed.
The use rate really depends upon how many times you open a bottle to pour - with high traffic tourist season we use one new repour for each new bottle opened as we are constantly opening and resealing.
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#121 Post by Andrew Dodd » August 28th, 2018, 9:11 am

I've used a 4 pack, it works better than a Vaccuvin or Private Preserve, but not nearly as well as a Coravin.

They are handy for resealing that half full bottle you bring back from a restaurant/friends house etc.

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#122 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » August 28th, 2018, 10:38 am

Just received a 10-pack. I use my Pungo often, usually when I only want a glass or 2 and am not sure when I will drink the rest of the bottle, and that works well for my purpose. But I like the idea of being able to have multiple bottles open, as well as being able to bring these with me when I go out (BYO).

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#123 Post by DanielP » November 22nd, 2018, 8:33 am

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#124 Post by Sh@n A » November 22nd, 2018, 8:53 am

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#125 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 22nd, 2018, 9:02 am

Thanks for the head's up! Tried it and liked it.
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#127 Post by Stan Y. » December 5th, 2018, 5:01 pm

I tried this on the 20% off sale, used it the first time two days ago, and am sampling the wine just now...2013 Ramonet Clos Saint-Jean rouge, absolutely delicious two days ago, and the result is pretty much the same as if I'd just left the bottle out on its own - noticeably oxidized. I had the bottle open about 2 hours and we drank three-fourths of it. I'll try one day in the fridge next time, which often gives me a fair to ok result with argon gas.
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#128 Post by Robert Grenley » December 5th, 2018, 7:12 pm

It occurs to me that I need to do the following experiment. Open 2 bottles of the same wine and taste to make sure they are sound and equivalent. Then pour into and fill to the brim a 375cc bottle and apply screwtop so no airspace, then half fill a 750cc bottle and apply the Pour and half fill a 750cc bottle and use the WineSave argon gas. (Then drink the remaining half bottle.) Then compare them a couple of days later.

Then do exactly the same experiment but with wine that has been decanted and open during an evening...to reproduce when I am trying to save the remaining wine after a tasting, where we typically double decant the wine a few hours before and the wines are open all evening. Then, to see which method of "preservation" is most effective at keeping the wines that have been open a while where they were at the end of the tasting.

The only question is whether to do the above 2 experiments leaving the wines out on the counter vs. putting the wines into the fridge...which might entail 4 experiments...or just assume that putting them into the fridge is critical.

By the way, I did put the remnants after a tasting into smaller bottles and used the Pure stoppers and placed them into the fridge. 2 days later the wines were still good...which is the first time in my experience that the wines held up after their prolonged exposure to air before and during an evening tasting, despite trying filling a 375cc to the brim with no airspace and trying the Winesave. However, I have never put them into the fridge before, so that could be the critical factor. But it would be nice to know whether WineSave argon works as well as the Pour stopper which may work as well as filling a 375 to the brim with no airspace, and whether the fridge is critical.
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#129 Post by Karen Troisi » January 2nd, 2019, 6:39 am

Here’s an update on the Repours after using them for about 6 months on a daily basis...

- They work well when you have wine leftover and will consume next day or maybe even day after (and you are not opening the bottle multiple times). The aromatics stay fresh as does the wine. So if using for non-commercial purposes I would buy.

- They do not hold the wine for more than a day when you are opening the bottle numerous times to pour. So for commercial applications I cannot recommend.

We had hoped these would work better than argon as they are easier to use, but we are back to using gas for wine preservation in the tasting room.

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#130 Post by Sh@n A » January 2nd, 2019, 6:43 am

Karen, in your first scenario, how many days do you think the repour can be good for?

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#131 Post by YLee » January 2nd, 2019, 10:56 am

I have been using Vacu Vin wine saver for about 8 years. It works for my needs. My wines last about 3-5 days (I never went past 5 days because I drink it all up by then)
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#132 Post by Karen Troisi » January 2nd, 2019, 2:14 pm

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Karen, in your first scenario, how many days do you think the repour can be good for?

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If you open a bottle (don’t finish) and reseal with a Repour I think the bottle could last up to a week depending upon the wine. We opened a young cab, poured a small amount, resealed with a repour. Went back to the wine 5 days later and the wine was pretty much the same as when it was first opened including the aromatics. Hope this helps.
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#133 Post by Robert Grenley » January 2nd, 2019, 5:25 pm

As mentioned earlier, my needs are to attempt to "preserve" the remnants...whether a portion of a bottle after a night of drinking or several remnants after a night of a wine tasting...as opposed to pouring glass by glass and preserving in between.

I think I need to compare the WineSave argon vs. the Repour, both refrigerated and left on the counter, and figure out what works best to "preserve" a wine left open during the course of an evening and "preserved" at the end of the evening for drinking the next day...not for long term storage.
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#134 Post by Robert Grenley » January 2nd, 2019, 5:25 pm

As mentioned earlier, my needs are to attempt to "preserve" the remnants...whether a portion of a bottle after a night of drinking or several remnants after a night of a wine tasting...as opposed to pouring glass by glass and preserving in between.

I think I need to compare the WineSave argon vs. the Repour, both refrigerated and left on the counter, and figure out what works best to "preserve" a wine left open during the course of an evening and "preserved" at the end of the evening for drinking the next day...not for long term storage.
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#135 Post by Stan Y. » January 2nd, 2019, 7:50 pm

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If you open a bottle (don’t finish) and reseal with a Repour I think the bottle could last up to a week depending upon the wine. We opened a young cab, poured a small amount, resealed with a repour. Went back to the wine 5 days later and the wine was pretty much the same as when it was first opened including the aromatics.
I'm not seeing anything like that when preserving a quarter of the bottle after being open two hours. If I put it in the fridge I get a better result than a vac-u-vin but not as good as argon. I haven't found anything that works well for this.
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#136 Post by Steve Gautier » January 6th, 2019, 5:36 am

I have been experimenting a little bit with the Repour. The other night I opened two bottles that had been sealed with a Repour after opening and pouring 75-80% out. 2012 AP Vin Rosella’s Pinot was exactly the same after 6 days. 2010 Lillian Syrah seemed a slight bit muted after 5 days but was very close to being the same.

I am having issues getting the Repour all the way in the bottle so I have been taping it down with electrical tape. Not sure if that is necessary or helping.
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#137 Post by Chris V. » January 6th, 2019, 6:33 am

Did my first trial of the Repour a few weeks back. Opened a 2009 Lopez de Heredia Cubillo. Decanted half of it to drink that night. Immediately stoppered the rest with a Repour and put it back in the cellar, standing upright. Left in the cellar untouched for 14 days, then opened and consumed. The results were a tad more oxidative than I had hoped. Drinkable, not totally shot, but definitely sub-optimal. As others have mentioned the upper limit on drinking window may be something like 5 days or less (assuming you aren't re-opening for BTG pours, which may shorten that further).
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#138 Post by Philip G » January 6th, 2019, 6:52 am

Seems like this is probably not much, if any, better than the argon gas canisters and not as good as Coravin. Seems the general consensus on Coravin is weeks to months with some mixed results for over a few months.
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#139 Post by David Glasser » January 6th, 2019, 7:10 am

A big difference between Repour and Coravin, whether you trust Coravin for more than ~2 weeks or not (I don’t): Coravin doesn’t work on aged bottles with sediment.

In our house if we don’t finish a bottle, it usually gets polished off the next day. Sometimes 2-3 days later. Repour works well for this.

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#140 Post by dvansteenderen » January 6th, 2019, 7:18 am

Tempted to try this.
I own 2 Coravin's and for over more than two years only had 3 bottles (one Magnum) which were inaccurate after some time. Could be due to not clearing the needle well enough, or having them "open" for too long. But also this seems a bit inconsistent?
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#141 Post by Russ Williams » January 6th, 2019, 10:49 am

375ml air tight glass container kept in the fridge works great for up to 2-3 days. I rarely wait more than a day. I really don’t see the need for gadgets.
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#142 Post by Steve Brickley » January 7th, 2019, 11:00 pm

My newest theory is I use Repour for wine consumed over 2-5 days and my Pungo for more extended periods. I travel with Repour too.
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#143 Post by Eric Lundblad » January 7th, 2019, 11:56 pm

Steve Brickley wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 11:00 pm
My newest theory is I use Repour for wine consumed over 2-5 days and my Pungo for more extended periods. I travel with Repour too.
I think you're better off using the Pungo all the time (except for Diam situations, where I use both, more on that below). I was a Pungo early adopter, so after a fair bit of use (and being one of the earlier models to roll off the line), my pungo went back to the shop and was brought up to snuff. Since then, the Pungo has kept bottles in good shape for an extended period. For context, my primary purpose is to preserve bottles between pouring for restaurants/shops/etc...and I want bottles I pour to be in pristine condition. I want folks that sell my wine to know what it tastes like on pop and pour, not PnP plus some unknown amount of wine evolution. Anyways, currently Pungo does the best job of this. I have to be careful to flush argon through the pungo needle before inserting it into the bottle tho, otherwise I'm adding a small bit of oxygen each time...definitely not a good thing preservation-wise.

The one exception to this is a bottle with a Diam cork. The Diam is so dang dense, Pungo can't go through it. So I pull the Diam cork, insert a Repour to clear the headspace, and then use the Pungo to do the actual pouring. Using the repour here may seem like a small advantage, but like I said above, I want the bottles I pour to be as pristine as possible, so being a bit over the top in this regard seems reasonable. And hey, being over the top and reasonable, all at the same time, is a rare opportunity for me!

For my purposes, I don't see repour, on it's own, as anything but a 2-3 day solution max...and that's not esp useful for me (wrt pouring for restaurants)... and for my personal drinking, opening a bottle and keeping it in the fridge in between works well for me for a few days (note that the 'drink a bottle at home' scenario is much easier on a bottle than the 'drive around town and pour for folks' scenario).

The problem I see with repour is that while you're pouring wine, oxygen gets absorbed into the wine. The repour does a good job of absorbing the oxygen after pouring, but it doesn't do anything for the dissolved oxygen levels of the wine in the bottle...so the wine will evolve some amount.

Oh, the travel scenario...I forgot about that. I'm a little unclear about when you can/can't travel with the argon cartridges (that pungo/coravin use). Travelling with a couple of repours might be simpler tho.

Anyways, my 2 cents.
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