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#1201 Post by Mattstolz » January 25th, 2020, 5:34 am

AD Northup wrote:
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I went with the 05 produttori which was confirmed to be rabaja after I ordered
damn I wish I would have known that. that takes it from a pretty good deal to a really good one if it is. $65 or $75?

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#1202 Post by Dennis Atick » January 25th, 2020, 5:47 am

Mattstolz wrote:
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AD Northup wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 10:55 pm
I went with the 05 produttori which was confirmed to be rabaja after I ordered
damn I wish I would have known that. that takes it from a pretty good deal to a really good one if it is. $65 or $75?
Me too. I almost bit, but thought that the Produttori prices were wack. Makes sense they were mislabeled and were actually the crus.
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#1203 Post by bradkaplan » January 25th, 2020, 3:11 pm

I'm just saving up for Dirty & Rowdy : ) been tempted buy those Heresztyn-Mazzinis because I REALLY liked the '14
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#1204 Post by Shay h arnoy » January 28th, 2020, 9:21 pm

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I can't find it in CellarTracker, and I'm afraid to add it...
Seems to be a negotiant bottle they purchased from someone as a one off. If it's not in there by the time I take delivery, I'll add it.
No confirmation for me yet
So... did anyone get the Charles noellat mystery bottle? How is it? What is it? They have some more online now 2010 vintage

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#1205 Post by Troy Stark » January 29th, 2020, 7:21 am

Shay h arnoy wrote:
January 28th, 2020, 9:21 pm
So... did anyone get the Charles noellat mystery bottle? How is it? What is it? They have some more online now 2010 vintage
I'll be receiving my bottles of the 2010 Beaune this week. I'll post a note when we pop one.
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#1206 Post by C Chen » January 29th, 2020, 11:12 am

2014 Heresztyn Mazzini Gevrey-Chambertin at $40 is prob their best overall offering for that producer (if you're a fan of that style). Wasn't at all tempted by 2011 or 2013.
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#1207 Post by Barry L i p t o n » January 29th, 2020, 11:37 am

C Chen wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 11:12 am
2014 Heresztyn Mazzini Gevrey-Chambertin at $40 is prob their best overall offering for that producer (if you're a fan of that style). Wasn't at all tempted by 2011 or 2013.
I'm guessing that means not classic or traditional?

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#1208 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 31st, 2020, 1:35 pm

Probably should be in the champagne thread but the bara mags are a nice deal.

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#1209 Post by Andrew M » January 31st, 2020, 6:47 pm

What was the offer on Bara mags? Greg emailed that I’d been added to his list but I still don’t get them.
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#1210 Post by YLee » January 31st, 2020, 6:51 pm

$130/1.5 L
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#1211 Post by Andrew M » January 31st, 2020, 6:55 pm

2012 Special Club or another bottling?
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#1212 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 31st, 2020, 7:46 pm

Grande millesime

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#1213 Post by Cris Whetstone » January 31st, 2020, 7:52 pm

Andrew M wrote:
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2012 Special Club or another bottling?
It's the Brut Millésimé. They did some good work with this vintage. It's a strong wine.
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#1214 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 4th, 2020, 2:09 pm

Decent cellar

07 angerville are very nice atm

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#1215 Post by RyanC » February 4th, 2020, 2:11 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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Decent cellar
Some of those d'Angervilles are interesting. I still can't get acclimated to current pricing for H-N or Jamet, notwithstanding my affinity for both producers.
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#1216 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 4th, 2020, 2:12 pm

RyanC wrote:
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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 2:09 pm
Decent cellar
Some of those d'Angervilles are interesting. I still can't get acclimated to current pricing for H-N or Jamet, notwithstanding my affinity for both producers.
I don’t think the jamet prices were good at all. H-n isn’t fantastic either except maybe the 08 cv

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#1217 Post by Bryan Carr » February 4th, 2020, 2:30 pm

Thought i'd see this cellar mentioned here. If they're still around we bit on some of the d'As and a CdV, but no '07s. I know the vintage is spotty, is d'Angerville one of the exceptions in that year?
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#1218 Post by RyanC » February 4th, 2020, 2:43 pm

Bryan Carr wrote:
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Thought i'd see this cellar mentioned here. If they're still around we bit on some of the d'As and a CdV, but no '07s. I know the vintage is spotty, is d'Angerville one of the exceptions in that year?
Volnay in general did well in 07–d’Angerville included.
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#1219 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 4th, 2020, 3:10 pm

I think 07 is drinking wonderfully atm

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#1220 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » February 4th, 2020, 6:03 pm

Picked up 2017 Domaine Louis Michel Chablis Grand Cru Vaudésir

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#1221 Post by Troy Stark » February 5th, 2020, 4:49 am

Shay h arnoy wrote:
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So... did anyone get the Charles noellat mystery bottle? How is it? What is it? They have some more online now 2010 vintage
My CT Note;

As for this wine, it is good. Just what you'd expect from a nicely aged village level wine from a classic vintage. A touch of earth on the nose mingles with cranberries and raspberries. Mid-weight palate with a decent finish. Nice bright acidity and just a hint of tannin. Drinking well now, but likely has a few years ahead of it. Bottled under Diam 5.

Happy to have purchased this for $25.


Additional info; this wine interestingly does not have an importer label on the back. Is that even legal? The front label in small print reads "Mis en bouteille par Charles Noellat." The cork had traces of mildew on the top, suggesting it's been stored in a cellar under original cork since bottling.
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#1222 Post by Shay h arnoy » February 5th, 2020, 9:13 am

Troy Stark wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 4:49 am
Shay h arnoy wrote:
January 28th, 2020, 9:21 pm
So... did anyone get the Charles noellat mystery bottle? How is it? What is it? They have some more online now 2010 vintage
My CT Note;

As for this wine, it is good. Just what you'd expect from a nicely aged village level wine from a classic vintage. A touch of earth on the nose mingles with cranberries and raspberries. Mid-weight palate with a decent finish. Nice bright acidity and just a hint of tannin. Drinking well now, but likely has a few years ahead of it. Bottled under Diam 5.

Happy to have purchased this for $25.


Additional info; this wine interestingly does not have an importer label on the back. Is that even legal? The front label in small print reads "Mis en bouteille par Charles Noellat." The cork had traces of mildew on the top, suggesting it's been stored in a cellar under original cork since bottling.
Thank you for the follow up! Getting a major envoyer shipment today. Will see how it stacks in my cellar and may pull the trigger on some of these.

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#1223 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 5th, 2020, 11:21 am

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Thought i'd see this cellar mentioned here. If they're still around we bit on some of the d'As and a CdV, but no '07s. I know the vintage is spotty, is d'Angerville one of the exceptions in that year?
I got some 07 taillepieds, love this wine. The Champans is delicious too; whoever got it will be very happy.

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#1224 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » February 5th, 2020, 11:30 am

My one and only shipment from Envoyer was over a year ago when they proactively reached out and said they needed to ship to clear space. I have 126 bottles pending with them (I’m sure not all have landed in their facility), but haven’t heard from them. Should I reach out and arrange a shipment or hold tight? I’m in no rush, but we may start seeing warmer temps in March here in TX, which would mean pushing out another year.

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#1225 Post by Josh Grossman » February 5th, 2020, 11:41 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 11:30 am
My one and only shipment from Envoyer was over a year ago when they proactively reached out and said they needed to ship to clear space. I have 126 bottles pending with them (I’m sure not all have landed in their facility), but haven’t heard from them. Should I reach out and arrange a shipment or hold tight? I’m in no rush, but we may start seeing warmer temps in March here in TX, which would mean pushing out another year.
I’m in the same boat. Imagine I have 250 bottles waiting to be shipped from them. Not sure I have room. If they will store them for free, I’m not complaining.

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#1226 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 5th, 2020, 12:33 pm

13 gouges chenes Carteaux at 49 is a ridiculous deal.

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#1227 Post by Neal.Mollen » February 5th, 2020, 12:40 pm

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13 gouges chenes Carteaux at 49 is a ridiculous deal.
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#1228 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 5th, 2020, 12:59 pm

I think it’s a very good vintage for gouges because it should be a little less dense and tannic than say, 14.

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#1229 Post by Cris Whetstone » February 5th, 2020, 8:52 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 11:30 am
My one and only shipment from Envoyer was over a year ago when they proactively reached out and said they needed to ship to clear space. I have 126 bottles pending with them (I’m sure not all have landed in their facility), but haven’t heard from them. Should I reach out and arrange a shipment or hold tight? I’m in no rush, but we may start seeing warmer temps in March here in TX, which would mean pushing out another year.
There's no harm in reaching out and asking for status.

I get the feeling from the wording of recent offers that there is a container on the way. I could certainly be wrong about that. Frank Murray and Brig sometimes drop over there. They may have some idea of status. They deliver to my offsite for free so I just wait and see what shows up.
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#1230 Post by mattccheung » February 5th, 2020, 9:15 pm

There has been a container arriving almost every 2-3 weeks these days. They have been air shipping a lot.

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#1231 Post by C Chen » February 6th, 2020, 10:25 am

Asked Envoyer if they would price match K&L (located an hour away from me) at $19.99 for the Bordelet Granit. Mission failed. :(

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#1232 Post by Bryan Carr » February 7th, 2020, 10:38 am

Thoughts on strategies to actually "get" some of the more limited stuff from them? I tend to email pretty quickly after the email hits my inbox but it always seems to fall into a void and by the time I get a response to my followup email the stuff I want is gone. Do I just have to call instead?
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#1233 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am

Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:38 am
Thoughts on strategies to actually "get" some of the more limited stuff from them? I tend to email pretty quickly after the email hits my inbox but it always seems to fall into a void and by the time I get a response to my followup email the stuff I want is gone. Do I just have to call instead?
How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
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#1234 Post by Bryan Carr » February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:38 am
Thoughts on strategies to actually "get" some of the more limited stuff from them? I tend to email pretty quickly after the email hits my inbox but it always seems to fall into a void and by the time I get a response to my followup email the stuff I want is gone. Do I just have to call instead?
How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
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#1235 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am

Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:38 am
Thoughts on strategies to actually "get" some of the more limited stuff from them? I tend to email pretty quickly after the email hits my inbox but it always seems to fall into a void and by the time I get a response to my followup email the stuff I want is gone. Do I just have to call instead?
How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
I'm sure for those bottlings in particular they are in very limited supply and there's high demand, so I wouldn't be surprised if they run out by the time you get in touch with them. The few items I've been shut out of are when they announce a limited supply that just came in of popular bottles (e.g. board darlings like Paul Bara Brut Rose).
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#1236 Post by RyanC » February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am

Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:38 am
Thoughts on strategies to actually "get" some of the more limited stuff from them? I tend to email pretty quickly after the email hits my inbox but it always seems to fall into a void and by the time I get a response to my followup email the stuff I want is gone. Do I just have to call instead?
How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
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#1237 Post by Dennis Atick » February 7th, 2020, 10:53 am

RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am


How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
For me, 7-10 years ago was the golden age for Envoyer. I was buying more, pricing (Burgundy) was not totally insane, and they had a much smaller email list, so less competition. So many killer cellars back then it seemed. The Burgundy deals were the best. I miss those days.
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#1238 Post by RyanC » February 7th, 2020, 10:55 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:53 am
RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am


Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
For me, 7-10 years ago was the golden age for Envoyer. I was buying more, pricing (Burgundy) was not totally insane, and they had a much smaller email list, so less competition. So many killer cellars back then it seemed. The Burgundy deals were the best. I miss those days.
Yes indeed. And those Envoyer emails were interspersed with the (in)famous PC 'Weekend Special' emails!
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#1239 Post by Dennis Atick » February 7th, 2020, 11:01 am

RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:55 am
Dennis Atick wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:53 am
RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am


The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
For me, 7-10 years ago was the golden age for Envoyer. I was buying more, pricing (Burgundy) was not totally insane, and they had a much smaller email list, so less competition. So many killer cellars back then it seemed. The Burgundy deals were the best. I miss those days.
Yes indeed. And those Envoyer emails were interspersed with the (in)famous PC 'Weekend Special' emails!
Ah yes, the infamous PC weekend specials. Wines slashed to prices 50%-60% cheaper than any other shop on the planet. What? Why worry? [cheers.gif]
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#1240 Post by Bryan Carr » February 7th, 2020, 1:08 pm

RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am


How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
hot damn ok, good to know!
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#1241 Post by alan weinberg » February 7th, 2020, 1:19 pm

RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:39 am


How soon after are you replying to their offers? I have a special ringtone on my phone for when an e-mail comes in from them.
Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
that’s why I long ago exited the emails and site. Not interested in hearing about all the things I missed.

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#1242 Post by Troy Stark » February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am

alan weinberg wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 1:19 pm
RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am
Bryan Carr wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:42 am


Haha wow probably not as fast as you then, I usually have to gut-check whether I'm comfortable dropping a grand on back vintage burgundy, so maybe 15-20 minutes after it hits my inbox. Sometimes as long as half an hour.
The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
that’s why I long ago exited the emails and site. Not interested in hearing about all the things I missed.
And yet, here you are. ;)
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#1243 Post by alan weinberg » February 10th, 2020, 12:58 pm

Troy Stark wrote:
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RyanC wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:46 am


The best cellar stuff goes in minutes -- often 1 or 2 minutes.
that’s why I long ago exited the emails and site. Not interested in hearing about all the things I missed.
And yet, here you are. ;)
good point! But it’s tougher to ask and get shut out! Misery loves company.

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Re: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else

#1244 Post by Shay h arnoy » February 11th, 2020, 4:48 pm

I bit on those 2013 Heresztyn-Mazzini Bourgogne for $20. Opened my first one this week. EPIC! Probably the best $20 wine I have drunk. Don't worry, I ordered more and cleaned them out -- they only had two left.
Not sure how replicable it is but if a retailer can direct me to high QPR in obscurish wines thats a huge trust and value. Makes me want to buy more of everything from Envoyer if they are going to 'watch our back'.

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Re: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else

#1245 Post by bradkaplan » February 11th, 2020, 5:03 pm

I bought some of their '14 Gevrey a while back, opened a bottle, and bought more as soon as it popped up again. Agreed, fantastic value (the '14 was $40, and $20 for halves) - probably should have gotten some of the Bourgogne, too.
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#1246 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » February 11th, 2020, 5:31 pm

Hmmmm. I opened my first of three of the H-M Gevrey a week or two ago; wasn't impressed.
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#1247 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 11th, 2020, 6:06 pm

Which year? I’ve loved the 13s I’ve had.

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#1248 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » February 11th, 2020, 6:11 pm

The '14 Gevrey "Clos Village."
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#1249 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 11th, 2020, 6:17 pm

I haven’t had the 14s yet but think they need more time.

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Re: Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else

#1250 Post by Shay h arnoy » February 11th, 2020, 7:04 pm

While cleaning out the Bourgogne, I also picked up some more of the 2013 and 2014 Gevrey Clos Village. The 2013 was good, though at 50% more than the Borgougne, not worthy of a post to highlight QPR. Even though its definitely a good deal on its own.

Speaking of which, has anyone here tried their 2014 Pousse D'Or Corton Clos du Roi?
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