Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

Tasting notes, varietals, grapes - anything related to wine
Message
Author
User avatar
Jim Anderson
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 6972
Joined: October 20th, 2010, 1:18 pm
Location: Portland/Newberg, Oregon
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 54 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#151 Post by Jim Anderson »

Todd Hamina wrote: July 25th, 2020, 6:39 pm
Jim Anderson wrote: July 25th, 2020, 11:21 am
Marcus Goodfellow wrote: July 25th, 2020, 9:49 am I really enjoy the Hundred Suns and Flaneur wines. Grant and Renee do great work with their own label(Hundred Suns) and the wines Grant is making for Flaneur have been some of my favorite WV wines over the past couple of years.
Buying fruit from 2 of Flaneur’s estate vineyards. Doing a SVD of one of them. Flaneur is far, far from being a teeny, tiny winery. I think they’re around 6,000 cases.
Agreed, not teeny tiny. Rather well funded too. But, good juice.
Very true. Marty does not lack, apparently, in the financing department. The La Belle Promenade site is a great piece of land and they’ve done a terrific job developing and farming it. The first time I saw it I knew I was interested in working with it and them. Good feelings all around. Hiring Grant to make the wines and run the show was also smart for a number of reasons. Just bottled the 2019 LBP the other day.
Co-owner, Patricia Green Cellars

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#152 Post by Todd Hamina »

Grape Ink Wines.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#153 Post by Todd Hamina »

I am pimping this again because you all will need some December wines. You have already made your plans for Turkey day as none of you slack when it comes time to throw down good booze for bird. However, December brings a more varied approach.

Here's what you do:

Peruse this thread again and take some chances. Most of the producers listed above make great wine and have been getting their teeth kicked in, so why not buy some wines from them?

If you love what they make you'll be a genius, and your guests will swoon. Be a genius.

Be a %$#@&* genius.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#154 Post by Max S. »

Here's an easier list to go through, let me know if I'm missing anyone or you want to add any color to their name:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Edit: Tried to embed, but it didn't work, so click.
5 w 0 m l 3 y

User avatar
Rodrigo B
Monopole Crü
Monopole Crü
Posts: 821
Joined: June 9th, 2020, 11:21 pm
Location: New York
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 38 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#155 Post by Rodrigo B »

Max S. wrote: November 28th, 2020, 8:21 pm Here's an easier list to go through, let me know if I'm missing anyone or you want to add any color to their name:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Edit: Tried to embed, but it didn't work, so click.
This is awesome. Thanks for compiling this
B r @ g @

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#156 Post by Max S. »

Rodrigo B wrote: November 28th, 2020, 8:47 pm This is awesome. Thanks for compiling this
Todd et al did the hard work. Ill see if I can't turn it into something more substantial if I can find some time...
5 w 0 m l 3 y

J0seph S c h e n c k
Monopole Crü
Monopole Crü
Posts: 295
Joined: August 9th, 2011, 12:07 pm
Location: Portland, OR
Has thanked: 4 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#157 Post by J0seph S c h e n c k »

A few more:

Here are two more beauties to add to list:

Quaintrelle
- beautiful Ribbon Ridge Pinot
- owner/winemaker is Savannah Mills. (Asst winemaker at Brickhouse)
- no website yet


Red Electric
- beautiful Ribbon Ridge Pinot, Armstrong Vineyard
- owner Doug Ackerman winemaker John Grochau
- https://www.redelectricwines.com/

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#158 Post by Max S. »

Thanks for all the updates/fixes/messages - will do my best to keep it updated.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
5 w 0 m l 3 y

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#159 Post by Todd Hamina »

This is great Max!!
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Marcus Goodfellow
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 2249
Joined: January 5th, 2011, 9:28 pm
Location: McMinnville, Oregon
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 53 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#160 Post by Marcus Goodfellow »

Nice list!

You should add:

Championship Bottle
Lumos Wine Company


Also, as noted above, Flaneur is not really teeny-tiny.
Goodfellow Family Cellars
Winemaker & Owner

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#161 Post by Max S. »

Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 29th, 2020, 7:06 pm Nice list!

You should add:

Championship Bottle
Lumos Wine Company


Also, as noted above, Flaneur is not really teeny-tiny.
Your guys' list, I'm just the scribe champagne.gif

Flaneur pulled, Lumos and Championship added
5 w 0 m l 3 y

Randy Smith
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 231
Joined: January 7th, 2010, 2:03 pm
Location: Covington, LA
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#162 Post by Randy Smith »

I’ll throw Elevee Winegrowers into the mix.
http://www.thewinewrite.com/

dsGriswold
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 2841
Joined: October 7th, 2009, 12:42 pm
Location: Portland, OR
Has thanked: 12 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#163 Post by dsGriswold »

I will give a plug to my neighbor's Sylvanus Estate Vineyard west of Yamhill. Pinot Noir and Chard wines made at Bjornson.
DennisG

User avatar
David K o l i n
Monopole Crü
Monopole Crü
Posts: 17833
Joined: June 2nd, 2009, 5:29 pm
Location: ChiIl
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#164 Post by David K o l i n »

Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 29th, 2020, 7:06 pm Nice list!

You should add:

Championship Bottle
Lumos Wine Company


Also, as noted above, Flaneur is not really teeny-tiny.
Thanks, Marcus. Just brought in my first six pack from Championship.

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#165 Post by Todd Hamina »

Thanks to Max's suggestion, teenytinywineriesoforegon now has an Instagram page.

Feel free to tag it!
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Marcus Goodfellow
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 2249
Joined: January 5th, 2011, 9:28 pm
Location: McMinnville, Oregon
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 53 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#166 Post by Marcus Goodfellow »

David K o l i n wrote: November 30th, 2020, 1:17 pm
Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 29th, 2020, 7:06 pm Nice list!

You should add:

Championship Bottle
Lumos Wine Company


Also, as noted above, Flaneur is not really teeny-tiny.
Thanks, Marcus. Just brought in my first six pack from Championship.
champagne.gif
Goodfellow Family Cellars
Winemaker & Owner

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#167 Post by Max S. »

Todd Hamina wrote: November 30th, 2020, 2:14 pm Thanks to Max's suggestion, teenytinywineriesoforegon now has an Instagram page.

Feel free to tag it!
And then there were 3...
5 w 0 m l 3 y

Marcus Goodfellow
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 2249
Joined: January 5th, 2011, 9:28 pm
Location: McMinnville, Oregon
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 53 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#168 Post by Marcus Goodfellow »

Two more:

Paetra (Bill Hooper is a Berserker)
The Color Collector
Goodfellow Family Cellars
Winemaker & Owner

Christopher Barnes
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 75
Joined: September 19th, 2017, 7:32 am
Location: Yamhill-Carlton
Been thanked: 2 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#169 Post by Christopher Barnes »

Hey there, I'll throw my hat in the ring. Chris James Cellars is located in Carlton, our vineyard is out in the hills west of town on the edge of the Yamhill Carlton AVA. We produce a number of whites mostly from Willamette Valley and reds from Willamette and Columbia Valley. We usually have skin contact with our whites (Gewurz, Scheurebe, Muscat, Riesling, Pinot Gris and others). We mostly do small lots with a wide variety of cultivars so I am not afraid to experiment. :)
Chris Barnes
Winemaker, Farmer, Owner
Chris James Cellars, Willamette Valley (Carlton, Oregon)

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#170 Post by Todd Hamina »

Good throw!

If any of you have suggestions for my Instagramness please feel free to reach out (I'm new at this). Thanks.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#171 Post by Todd Hamina »

Cho Wines
Day Wines
EIEIO
Valcan Cellars
Boedecker
D'Anu
Dion
J. Craw
One Love
Lumos
Denison Cellars
Last edited by Todd Hamina on November 30th, 2020, 5:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#172 Post by Todd Hamina »

...I am waiting for one of my kids to come home to help me navigate Instagram. Lack of knowledge has never stopped me before.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

User avatar
D@vid Bu3ker
Monopole Crü
Monopole Crü
Posts: 39273
Joined: February 14th, 2009, 8:06 am
Location: Connecticut
Has thanked: 48 times
Been thanked: 141 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#173 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

Todd Hamina wrote: November 30th, 2020, 5:07 pm ...I am waiting for one of my kids to come home to help me navigate Instagram. Lack of knowledge has never stopped me before.
Then you will be under the influencer.
David Bueker - Rieslingfan

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#174 Post by Todd Hamina »

I suppose it's worth it.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

User avatar
Rodrigo B
Monopole Crü
Monopole Crü
Posts: 821
Joined: June 9th, 2020, 11:21 pm
Location: New York
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 38 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#175 Post by Rodrigo B »

Todd Hamina wrote: November 30th, 2020, 4:41 pm Good throw!

If any of you have suggestions for my Instagramness please feel free to reach out (I'm new at this). Thanks.
Thanks for setting that up Todd. Followed the account. Picked up a couple of bottles from people's recommendations, including some Maloof per your rec Todd. Will post a pic and tag the account when I crack those open
B r @ g @

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#176 Post by Todd Hamina »

Bruno
Greywing
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#177 Post by Todd Hamina »

My Oregonian comrades are coming out of the woodwork now...


Statera
Lares
Troon
William Marie
Redolent
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#178 Post by Todd Hamina »

Oregon Wine Lab
Whiskey Hill
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

User avatar
PeterH
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 4259
Joined: May 14th, 2011, 3:06 pm
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 21 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#179 Post by PeterH »

Is Anderson Family considered Teeny Tiny? They sell most of their wine right out of the winery in the Dundee Hills.
P Hickner

On s'en bat les couilles

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#180 Post by Max S. »

Updated: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 30th, 2020, 3:07 pm Paetra (Bill Hooper is a Berserker)
I've got Paetra in there under Weinbau Paetra
5 w 0 m l 3 y

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#181 Post by Todd Hamina »

PeterH wrote: December 1st, 2020, 5:22 pm Is Anderson Family considered Teeny Tiny? They sell most of their wine right out of the winery in the Dundee Hills.
Sure.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Marcus Goodfellow
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 2249
Joined: January 5th, 2011, 9:28 pm
Location: McMinnville, Oregon
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 53 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#182 Post by Marcus Goodfellow »

Max S. wrote: December 1st, 2020, 5:52 pm Updated: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 30th, 2020, 3:07 pm Paetra (Bill Hooper is a Berserker)
I've got Paetra in there under Weinbau Paetra
[cheers.gif]

Of course!
Goodfellow Family Cellars
Winemaker & Owner

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#183 Post by Todd Hamina »

Fullerton
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

User avatar
Andy Steinman
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 669
Joined: April 30th, 2010, 3:56 am
Location: Salem, OR
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#184 Post by Andy Steinman »

Todd Hamina wrote: December 5th, 2020, 12:12 pm Fullerton
What's the line for Teeny Tiny? Fullerton produces 6,000+ cases.
ITB: Partner, Walter Scott Wines, Le Pigeon, Canard, and DigitalPour; Managing Director Metis NW

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#185 Post by Max S. »

Andy Steinman wrote: December 5th, 2020, 6:41 pm
Todd Hamina wrote: December 5th, 2020, 12:12 pm Fullerton
What's the line for Teeny Tiny? Fullerton produces 6,000+ cases.
I think that is where people were saying Flaneur is too, right?
5 w 0 m l 3 y

Brian Glas
Posts: 277
Joined: April 25th, 2018, 8:01 pm
Location: Seattle

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#186 Post by Brian Glas »

Thanks to this post my daughter visited Day Wines. Had a great time tasting there. We also enjoyed our recent visits to Anderson Family, Kings North, and Hundred Suns.

mmeyers
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 63
Joined: November 13th, 2010, 7:09 pm
Location: Chapel Hill, NC

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#187 Post by mmeyers »

Have enjoyed following this thread and have tried to keep up with the Oregon wine scene, although purchases have generally been those with a track record with a few exceptions (morgen long for instance). But remarkable how rapidly it has expanded the last few years. So many places that are totally unfamiliar, including those that are truly teeny tiny 2-300 cases/year) and those much larger (6-8000/yr like Day and Fullerton). A couple thoughts.

1. Where is all this wine going? Are they primarily tasting room sales, or somewhere else? Many appear to be $30-45 at the low end, so competing for a fairly small part of the market.

2. A couple of things caught my eye and I’m looking forward to trying them.
- Championship bottle. I have a gravity’s pull Chardonnay on deck for consumption in the near future.
- The color collector. I don’t have much experience with gamay but interesting project and story.

Anyone else have any new discoveries that you are looking forward to trying?
Mike

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#188 Post by Todd Hamina »

Teeny tiny and actual production can ebb and flow. Over 3k cases and you need a full time person, so your margin takes a hit. I have long considered the 3,500 to 10,000 case production a death zone as you're production is too big to handle solo, but not big enough to make a decent profit as you have to staff up to get things done. Folks can figure this out on their own.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Marcus Goodfellow
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 2249
Joined: January 5th, 2011, 9:28 pm
Location: McMinnville, Oregon
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 53 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#189 Post by Marcus Goodfellow »

mmeyers wrote: December 5th, 2020, 7:44 pm Have enjoyed following this thread and have tried to keep up with the Oregon wine scene, although purchases have generally been those with a track record with a few exceptions (morgen long for instance). But remarkable how rapidly it has expanded the last few years. So many places that are totally unfamiliar, including those that are truly teeny tiny 2-300 cases/year) and those much larger (6-8000/yr like Day and Fullerton). A couple thoughts.

1. Where is all this wine going? Are they primarily tasting room sales, or somewhere else? Many appear to be $30-45 at the low end, so competing for a fairly small part of the market.

2. A couple of things caught my eye and I’m looking forward to trying them.
- Championship bottle. I have a gravity’s pull Chardonnay on deck for consumption in the near future.
- The color collector. I don’t have much experience with gamay but interesting project and story.

Anyone else have any new discoveries that you are looking forward to trying?
I’m not going to touch point 1, other than to say that the only reason I can exist at 4500 cases without dealing with what Todd talks about, is the $20-25 Willamette Valley wines.

But to point 2, here’s my view of what I am excited to try:

New wines from Ovum, Franny Beck, and Morgen Long

Project M-Jerry Murray has been making top tier wines for a number of well known wineries for a long time(Patton Valley and Van Duzer, plus a few others). He’s always had a deft touch, and the confidence to make wines with an individual nature(which becomes more and more important to me)

Mellen-Meyer and Lundeen sparkling: because it’s really good...

Violin, Vincent, and Championship Bottle: These are in my regular buy(or trade).
Goodfellow Family Cellars
Winemaker & Owner

User avatar
Andy Steinman
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 669
Joined: April 30th, 2010, 3:56 am
Location: Salem, OR
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#190 Post by Andy Steinman »

Todd Hamina wrote: December 5th, 2020, 8:01 pm Teeny tiny and actual production can ebb and flow. Over 3k cases and you need a full time person, so your margin takes a hit. I have long considered the 3,500 to 10,000 case production a death zone as you're production is too big to handle solo, but not big enough to make a decent profit as you have to staff up to get things done. Folks can figure this out on their own.
I agree with this in concept but disagree regarding the specific volume range.

The numbers are very variable depending on a winery's business model, distribution channels, etc. At any given volume level there are those that are very successful and others that are less so. The economic parameters can also be quite different depending on locale - the Willamette Valley versus Sonoma, Napa, the CA Central Coast, etc.

In my view, the "death zone" is 10,000 to 20,000 cases - large enough to require a lot of infrastructure and people but too small to be able to afford it.
ITB: Partner, Walter Scott Wines, Le Pigeon, Canard, and DigitalPour; Managing Director Metis NW

Todd Hamina
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 4536
Joined: February 3rd, 2009, 2:16 pm
Location: McMinnville, OR
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#191 Post by Todd Hamina »

Feel free to disagree.
Co-Owner at Biggio Hamina Cellars
-BiggioHamina

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#192 Post by Max S. »

I added Ovum, Fullerton, Anderson Family, and King's North. I'll err on the side of adding unless people challenge it.
5 w 0 m l 3 y

mmeyers
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 63
Joined: November 13th, 2010, 7:09 pm
Location: Chapel Hill, NC

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#193 Post by mmeyers »

Interesting discussion re: the business. I can only imagine the number of variables impacting that. I guess the other part of the equation is that some, if not much, of the growth are passion projects and/or independently funded where the business model is certainly different.

For context, I was pointing out a couple things that caught my eye in this thread. I will add that there are others mentioned that I've added in the last few years. Specifically, Goodfellow and Walter Scott have become at least somewhat regular purchases. Biggio hamina, vincent and morgen long I've picked up in the last couple years from local retailers and working through starting to understand them. Look forward to trying some others.

Thanks again for all the discussion.
Mike

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#194 Post by Max S. »

mmeyers wrote: December 6th, 2020, 6:38 am For context, I was pointing out a couple things that caught my eye in this thread. I will add that there are others mentioned that I've added in the last few years. Specifically, Goodfellow and Walter Scott have become at least somewhat regular purchases. Biggio hamina, vincent and morgen long I've picked up in the last couple years from local retailers and working through starting to understand them. Look forward to trying some others.
Same here! This thread and Todd+Marcus are the reason I tried Vincent and Martin Woods when I was out there. Oregon is now the single largest region in my collection at something like 50 or 60 bottles.
5 w 0 m l 3 y

User avatar
Rodrigo B
Monopole Crü
Monopole Crü
Posts: 821
Joined: June 9th, 2020, 11:21 pm
Location: New York
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 38 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#195 Post by Rodrigo B »

This thread is becoming more and more perilous as time goes on. Every time it's updated there's more interesting wineries I add to my list to try. Just Marcus' last post has me pondering the purchase of several cases of wine to try.
B r @ g @

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#196 Post by Max S. »

This thread really makes me want to get into Chardonnay, but there's just something about it that turns me off. Of course, that's how I was with pinot noir, so maybe someday...
5 w 0 m l 3 y

User avatar
Brian S t o t t e r
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 2548
Joined: April 21st, 2015, 6:05 am
Location: St. Louis, MO
Has thanked: 47 times
Been thanked: 58 times
Contact:

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#197 Post by Brian S t o t t e r »

Max S. wrote: December 6th, 2020, 7:17 am This thread really makes me want to get into Chardonnay, but there's just something about it that turns me off. Of course, that's how I was with pinot noir, so maybe someday...
I was once an ABC riesling geek, but make exception to the fantastic OR chardonnays being made.
CT: rieslinghoarder

2020 WOTY: 2001 Joh. Jos. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese

2021 WOTY Candidates:

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#198 Post by Max S. »

Brian S t o t t e r wrote: December 6th, 2020, 8:22 am
Max S. wrote: December 6th, 2020, 7:17 am This thread really makes me want to get into Chardonnay, but there's just something about it that turns me off. Of course, that's how I was with pinot noir, so maybe someday...
I was once an ABC riesling geek, but make exception to the fantastic OR chardonnays being made.
Riesling and Chenin are really my game. I tried both Vincent's and Marcus' chardonnays, and while both were among the best I've had, neither hit that sweet spot that a Huet hits for me. Not a knock on Oregon by any means, it's just a personal taste thing.
5 w 0 m l 3 y

User avatar
Jim Anderson
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 6972
Joined: October 20th, 2010, 1:18 pm
Location: Portland/Newberg, Oregon
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 54 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#199 Post by Jim Anderson »

Speaking as someone who has crossed through all the sizes of wineries being discussed at this point in the thread I think it’s important to realize that, in the case of wineries at least, size doesn’t really matter. Well, it’s not the first thing to think about anyway.

When Patty and I were at Torii Mor in the late 90s we were a teeny tiny winery averaging about 3,500 cases in production and that was brought up a bit by the large 1999 harvest. However, be all definitions it was a vanity project winery (started and funded by a well off, vineyard owning doctor who had nothing to do with day to day operations). Wineries like that, while maybe somewhat uncommon these days, are still started and functioning. Some are mentioned here in this thread, in fact.

When we left Torii Mor and then stumbled ass backwards into buying an existing winery and vineyard we knew we had to make and sell more wine. By 2002 we were at nearly 10,000 cases and had our one and only (ever) custom client adding another 2,000 cases or so. 12,000 cases in 2002 was a “big” winery back then. It’s not far off it now. However, we were hard scrabble owner/operators, we farmed 4 other vineyards other than our own (basically no vineyard management companies back then), made wine in an old school way, were the point of contact and sale at every level and made both good and horrible choices along the way depending on how whatever needed to be done intersected with our skill set and experience.

At 17,000 cases (2019 harvest) were around 35th-40th largest winery in Oregon of my reading of reported gallonage is correct and you count spin-off/second brand “wineries” in with their premier domaine (Cloudline, for instance, isn’t a winery, it’s a DDO brand). We do have a sales staff and we only farm one other vineyard than our Estate (trust me, the economics matter at the farming level almost more so than anywhere else simply due to risk management). I don’t deliver wine to shops and restaurants anymore as we have a wholesaler now.

However, and I am not trying to say we’re doing this and other wineries our size are not (that’s the opposite of the point actually), we are still, intrinsically, a family business. It’s just that it’s the family we chose rather than the family we started with. Bethel Heights, Beaux Freres, Cristom and even places like DDO I think manage to truly embody the spirit of “small wineries” by doing things the right way. Look at how people here view wineries that end up being sold to corporate conglomerate operations (for the most part).

I’m not attempting to run down small wineries. It’s basically what defines the Oregon wine industry. I’m simply stating that it’s what’s in people’s heads and hearts that define their winery and winery concept, not their production level.

How you operate also defines the ability to make it. It is, as Todd said, true that at about 3,000 cases you need to not only be working full time yourself, you need another person in some capacity and that capacity better include a more efficient way to generate net revenue either by them creating it or freeing you up to do it. After that it really depends on how you want to function and, honestly, the type of facility and space you have at your disposal. We don’t have the giant cities with large wealth pockets nearby to fuel cult level wineries and the incredible DTC sales they can generate. You have to put together a well-rounded sales plan here.

Sorry for the long-winded post and hopefully it’s not coming off as self-serving or self-aggrandizing. There are lots of ways to “get it done” as far as being a winery but I don’t believe that looking at output amount necessarily tells you much of anything about a winery and it’s soul.
Co-owner, Patricia Green Cellars

Max S.
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 679
Joined: March 16th, 2020, 3:01 pm
Location: Denver
Has thanked: 94 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Re: Teeny Tiny Wineries of... Oregon

#200 Post by Max S. »

That's an interesting take, thanks Jim. I feel like I've heard a couple of winemakers say they worked at Torii Mor, is there something special about that winery?
5 w 0 m l 3 y

Post Reply

Return to “Wine Talk”