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#1 Post by p. raghib » January 17th, 2018, 8:36 am

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#2 Post by luc@sl@belle » January 17th, 2018, 9:43 am

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#3 Post by c fu » January 17th, 2018, 10:11 am

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De-Meyer, 40, is accused of using an alias, "Mark Miller," to sell bottles to a North Carolina-based wine dealer. De-Meyer’s regular duties included receiving wine shipped to Solomon’s Manhattan apartment and transporting it to his boss’s cellar in East Hampton, New York.
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#4 Post by Nathan Smyth » January 17th, 2018, 11:22 am

Will a case like this eventually show up on the ECF for the NYSD?

Or is that the wrong place to look for the PDF of the indictment?

Or are indictments like this often sealed for a lengthy period of time? [For instance, there's an empty "1:18-mc-00020" at the ECF.]
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#5 Post by J a y H a c k » January 17th, 2018, 11:30 am

Nathan Smyth wrote:Will a case like this eventually show up on the ECF for the NYSD?

. . .
It does not show up on ECF. State cases are supposed to show up on Webcrims (https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcrim_attorney/Login) but this is federal so it will show up on PACER once it is unsealed.
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#6 Post by Anton D » January 17th, 2018, 11:39 am

Without reading a link, I will guess someone picked up a case of DRC that was left at his door?
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#7 Post by Dennis Atick » January 17th, 2018, 12:14 pm

$130k for 7 bottles of DRC.
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#8 Post by Paul Jaouen » January 17th, 2018, 12:17 pm

The comments are the best part. So funny!!!
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#9 Post by Nathan Smyth » January 17th, 2018, 12:40 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
Nathan Smyth wrote:Will a case like this eventually show up on the ECF for the NYSD?

. . .
It does not show up on ECF. State cases are supposed to show up on Webcrims (https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcrim_attorney/Login) but this is federal so it will show up on PACER once it is unsealed.
Okay, I think maybe I figured out the link for the criminal cases, but it looks like they're all sealed.

What's the turnaround time on un-sealing an indictment? A week? A month? A year?
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#10 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » January 17th, 2018, 3:18 pm

With all the money Solomon has, can't he just chalk this up to bad judgment on his own part?
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#11 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 17th, 2018, 3:40 pm

Shucks, I feel so bad for him.

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#12 Post by A Rubin Stein » January 17th, 2018, 3:44 pm

Steve Eisenhauer wrote:With all the money Solomon has, can't he just chalk this up to bad judgment on his own part?
What do you mean? That it was bad judgment to hire the assistant who later ripped him off?
Or that it was bad judgment to pay so much for trophy wines?
By "can't he just chalk this up to . . ." do you mean that he should just let this go?
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#13 Post by A Rubin Stein » January 17th, 2018, 3:50 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:Shucks, I feel so bad for him.

Not.
What a terrible thing to say. It's ok for a wealthy person to be robbed, because he is wealthy? He may be better positioned to recover from the crime, but that doesn't make the crime any less a crime.

I know the Solomon family from my home town. David Solomon is self-made, through his own efforts, hard work and skill. He doesn't deserve theft, regardless of his wealth.
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#14 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 17th, 2018, 4:05 pm

Like I give a shit.
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#15 Post by Victor Hong » January 17th, 2018, 4:29 pm

Based on your posting, yes.
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#16 Post by c fu » January 17th, 2018, 4:32 pm

David has such a caring heart.
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#17 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 17th, 2018, 4:35 pm

For those who deserve it.

Bankers? Not so much.
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#18 Post by Anton D » January 17th, 2018, 4:50 pm

Total thread drift: Without a long tale, the president of the local bank when I was a kid was a huge positive influence on me. Vast.

I get it that this guy's 1.2 million is like a twenty dollar bill to me, but I have affection for my wine, so I can imagine how upset I would be to lose something like that. Plus, being betrayed at any level hurts.
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#19 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 17th, 2018, 4:59 pm

Yeah, like when he was head of investment banking during the financial crisis?
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#20 Post by Anton D » January 17th, 2018, 5:02 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:Yeah, like when he was head of investment banking during the financial crisis?
Out of curiosity, what do you think is the main motivation these people have?

What do you think makes this guy tick?
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#21 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 17th, 2018, 5:03 pm

Money. That is how they keep score.
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#22 Post by Victor Hong » January 17th, 2018, 5:09 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:For those who deserve it.

Bankers? Not so much.
That is an appropriate threshold, in order to care? Assault, murder, cancer, etc?
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#23 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 17th, 2018, 5:29 pm

Owning versus renting?
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#24 Post by Markus S » January 17th, 2018, 6:41 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:Money. That is how they keep score.
Or the size of their hands or trigger buttons in other realms.
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#25 Post by Markus S » January 17th, 2018, 6:41 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:Owning versus renting?
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#26 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » January 17th, 2018, 7:09 pm

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D@vid Bu3ker wrote:Owning versus renting?
?? newhere
You gotta get in the 'Wayback Wasdin' machine for that one.
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#27 Post by Randy Bowman » January 17th, 2018, 7:23 pm

Defense strategy has been determined: All stolen bottles were obviously fake and purchased from associates of Rudy K. De-Meyer was attempting recoup some of Solomon's losses by selling them to an unsuspecting wine dealer. (Hmm, wonder if it was the same wine dealer involved with the French Laundry theft.) Hence using the alias as to conceal Solomon's identity in the fraud.

You attorneys already thought of that, didn't you?
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#28 Post by Arv R » January 17th, 2018, 9:05 pm

My personal assistant had thieving problems too.

She would flap her ears, fly up, and steal croissants off the countertop.
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#29 Post by James Billy » January 17th, 2018, 11:38 pm

Nothing do with wine. Just another 'investment grade' asset to make a rich man richer.

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#30 Post by Peter Hirsch » January 18th, 2018, 3:39 am

So many opinions about a guy, without actually knowing the guy.

BTW, I do not know the guy but I do feel bad for him.

I know other people who put their trust in someone, someone they considered a friend. Some in a similar capacity as this, others in a business partner capacity, others in an investment capacity. And they lost money as the person they each trusted turned out to be a thief. It's a terrible thing, makes you really rethink your ability to really trust someone. Reagan "Trust But Verify" is really the only way to go.

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#32 Post by John Morris » January 18th, 2018, 5:28 am

James Billy wrote:Nothing do with wine. Just another 'investment grade' asset to make a rich man richer.
You obviously haven't read anything about the guy. He's seriously interested in food and wine.
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#33 Post by Russ Williams » January 18th, 2018, 5:56 am

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#34 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » January 18th, 2018, 6:09 am

Shaking my head. I just don't understand the mindset of thinking all "rich bankers" are evil, and simply because of his job title, David Solomon deserves anything bad that happens.

I don't know him, but I do know quite a few wealthy investment bankers (including some that buy great wine). Many that I know are wonderful people, good friends, parents and neighbors, and extremely generous and philanthropic. Not a fan of painting all these people with such a negative broad brush.

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#35 Post by John Morris » January 18th, 2018, 6:16 am

Sherri S h a p i r o wrote:Shaking my head. I just don't understand the mindset of thinking all "rich bankers" are evil, and simply because of his job title, David Solomon deserves anything bad that happens.

I don't know him, but I do know quite a few wealthy investment bankers (including some that buy great wine). Many that I know are wonderful people, good friends, parents and neighbors, and extremely generous and philanthropic. Not a fan of painting all these people with such a negative broad brush.
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#36 Post by Neal.Mollen » January 18th, 2018, 6:26 am

Peter Hirsch wrote:I also get David's view (and others with a similar view). He's angry and looking for someone to blame for the Great Recession. So where to point that finger??. Is he going to blame Clinton and Cuomo for pushing the Community Reinvestment Act? Nah, that's somewhat nuanced. Or Barney Frank and Maxine Waters and others for eviscerating the Freddie and Fannie regulators in open hearings, circa 2004? Nah, not so much fun and again nuanced. Or how about the actual borrower, who decided that markets could only go up (This is America, you make your own decisions!!) and decided that some free money would be great!! Nah. No one wants to blame themselves!! That's a Cognitive Bias!!! He wants the easy one. The Evil Bankers, who of course also shoulder some of the blame. Better story line than the other ones, easy villain to see. I get it.
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#37 Post by Brian Tuite » January 18th, 2018, 6:35 am

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Peter Hirsch wrote:I also get David's view (and others with a similar view). He's angry and looking for someone to blame for the Great Recession. So where to point that finger??. Is he going to blame Clinton and Cuomo for pushing the Community Reinvestment Act? Nah, that's somewhat nuanced. Or Barney Frank and Maxine Waters and others for eviscerating the Freddie and Fannie regulators in open hearings, circa 2004? Nah, not so much fun and again nuanced. Or how about the actual borrower, who decided that markets could only go up (This is America, you make your own decisions!!) and decided that some free money would be great!! Nah. No one wants to blame themselves!! That's a Cognitive Bias!!! He wants the easy one. The Evil Bankers, who of course also shoulder some of the blame. Better story line than the other ones, easy villain to see. I get it.
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#38 Post by Dan Kravitz » January 18th, 2018, 7:42 am

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#40 Post by Dennis Borczon » January 18th, 2018, 8:12 am

I guess i am glad to be so poor i can't afford a personal assistant. If my wife ( my personal assistant) found out i spent $130,000 on 7 bottles of wine i would need a villa in Cyprus to hide out. What does it say about our hobby where such values for wine are merely shrugged at? Any crime is deplorable, but as my millennials might say, "This is beyond a first world problem, more like a 0.01% problem"

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#41 Post by Anton D » January 18th, 2018, 8:20 am

Russ Williams wrote:
Peter Hirsch wrote:I also get David's view (and others with a similar view). He's angry and looking for someone to blame for the Great Recession. So where to point that finger??. Is he going to blame Clinton and Cuomo for pushing the Community Reinvestment Act? Nah, that's somewhat nuanced. Or Barney Frank and Maxine Waters and others for eviscerating the Freddie and Fannie regulators in open hearings, circa 2004? Nah, not so much fun and again nuanced. Or how about the actual borrower, who decided that markets could only go up (This is America, you make your own decisions!!) and decided that some free money would be great!! Nah. No one wants to blame themselves!! That's a Cognitive Bias!!! He wants the easy one. The Evil Bankers, who of course also shoulder some of the blame. Better story line than the other ones, easy villain to see. I get it.
Nice summation Peter. [cheers.gif]
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Keeping it wine related.

That analysis is about as nuanced as Caymus 40th cabernet-like beverage.

Take it to the the cesspool, you two. Russ knows the way.

I am relieved that Goldman somehow managed to escape the hoards of evil home buyers across the nation. Shorting the very products they sold was so patriotic.

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#42 Post by M A T T H A R T L E Y » January 18th, 2018, 3:04 pm

Dying to know who the wine merchant in NC that bought all this stuff was...
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#43 Post by ykwon » January 18th, 2018, 3:10 pm

M A T T H A R T L E Y wrote:Dying to know who the wine merchant in NC that bought all this stuff was...
Is there any recourse assuming they still have the wines?
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#44 Post by c fu » January 18th, 2018, 3:16 pm

M A T T H A R T L E Y wrote:Dying to know who the wine merchant in NC that bought all this stuff was...
I made a guess above.
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#45 Post by Arv R » January 18th, 2018, 4:38 pm

So assuming the merchant has to return the wine to the original (lawful) owner, does that happen through the law enforcement process? Does NYPD tell the merchant 'return it or we file receipt of stolen property charges' or does Solomon have to sue the merchant independently? This is like the Premier Cru fraudulent conveyance problem...although the merchant probably should have taken some diligences to make sure it wasn't dealing in stolen property. This may end up being an expensive lesson for them, even if they already flipped the bottles for a quick score.
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#46 Post by John Morris » January 18th, 2018, 5:09 pm

Arv R wrote:So assuming the merchant has to return the wine to the original (lawful) owner, does that happen through the law enforcement process? Does NYPD tell the merchant 'return it or we file receipt of stolen property charges' or does Solomon have to sue the merchant independently? This is like the Premier Cru fraudulent conveyance problem...although the merchant probably should have taken some diligences to make sure it wasn't dealing in stolen property. This may end up being an expensive lesson for them, even if they already flipped the bottles for a quick score.
Yes, Solomon could bring a civil suit.

My guess is that the cops and prosecutors won't chase this down, since the merchant probably has some defense. Moreover, the theft was in NY, so there would be jurisdictional issues.

Given the regulation of liquor retailing, perhaps Solomon could exert some pressure on the store via the State of North Carolina.
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#47 Post by James Billy » January 18th, 2018, 9:39 pm

Is it a long enough time to forget about the crash less than a decade ago?

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#48 Post by Markus S » January 19th, 2018, 4:54 am

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James Billy wrote:Nothing do with wine. Just another 'investment grade' asset to make a rich man richer.
You obviously haven't read anything about the guy. He's seriously interested in food and wine.
I don't see how an interest in food and wine makes a person a good & decent soul, but God can be the judge of that. The disappointing and degrading thing here is the loss of personal trust, which is never a good thing.
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M A T T H A R T L E Y wrote:Dying to know who the wine merchant in NC that bought all this stuff was...
I made a guess above.
Never heard of him.
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Goldman Sachs Co-President has $1.2mm in wine stolen...

#50 Post by Neal.Mollen » January 19th, 2018, 5:01 am

Markus S wrote:
John Morris wrote:
James Billy wrote:Nothing do with wine. Just another 'investment grade' asset to make a rich man richer.
You obviously haven't read anything about the guy. He's seriously interested in food and wine.
I don't see how an interest in food and wine makes a person a good & decent soul, but God can be the judge of that. The disappointing and degrading thing here is the loss of personal trust, which is never a good thing.
I think John's comment was simply a response to James' claim that the wine was merely an investment vehicle.
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