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#1 Post by alan weinberg » December 21st, 2017, 6:59 pm

recent purchase of some 2015 made me want to taste one with at least a few years on it. Drinking Corton Charlemagne this young is a bit of a travesty, ameliorated some by the risk of premox.

This is old school—in a good way—Corton Charlemagne. Dense and oily, almost thick and chewy, it’s the essence of citrus wrapped in acidity, some steeliness and a very rigid spine, though the wine fans out on the finish, lasts and lasts. Really great stuff.

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#2 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » December 21st, 2017, 7:01 pm

Oh man, PYCM GC. Thursday night balla.
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#3 Post by alan weinberg » December 21st, 2017, 7:15 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:Oh man, PYCM GC. Thursday night balla.
tough case today and just a half day tomorrow.

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#4 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » December 21st, 2017, 7:17 pm

Well deserved.
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#5 Post by Larry Link » December 21st, 2017, 7:28 pm

Sounds great. I’m liking the 2011 vintage more and more. We recently tasted 4 Meursaults from 2011 including the PYCM MP. The wines are taut with a lovely acid based energy that make them fun to drink.

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#6 Post by alan weinberg » December 21st, 2017, 7:47 pm

Larry Link wrote:Sounds great. I’m liking the 2011 vintage more and more. We recently tasted 4 Meursaults from 2011 including the PYCM MP. The wines are taut with a lovely acid based energy that make them fun to drink.
if his MP didn’t cost the same as the CC, I’d buy that one also—it’s fabulous.

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#7 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 21st, 2017, 8:00 pm

I wasn’t a huge fan of this wine, sold off half of mine. It was the oily thick and chewy character I disliked. Not my style of CC.

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#8 Post by Robert Pavlovich » December 21st, 2017, 10:09 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:Oh man, PYCM GC. Thursday night balla.
Thursday night's a great night to get in to some good Burg. Most of the work done for the week, but not so obvious like the weekend.

Love the 2011 whites right now.

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#9 Post by Fred C » December 21st, 2017, 10:15 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
Larry Link wrote:Sounds great. I’m liking the 2011 vintage more and more. We recently tasted 4 Meursaults from 2011 including the PYCM MP. The wines are taut with a lovely acid based energy that make them fun to drink.
if his MP didn’t cost the same as the CC, I’d buy that one also—it’s fabulous.
Just bought 5 of the 2015 MP for more than what the CC is running. I think the MP is the better wine. It's also much harder to find.
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#10 Post by Max K » December 22nd, 2017, 9:43 am

I opened the 2009 of this about a month ago, and it too was stunningly good. No hint of flabbiness to be found - just rich fruit, precision, and length for days.
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#11 Post by Jerry Hey » December 22nd, 2017, 2:39 pm

I think in general I prefer Meursault Perrieres to CC, and especially with PYCM. I have an 11 MP I might open during the holidays. I haven't tried anything from that vintage other than the St. Aubin en Remilly.

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#12 Post by David Gerstenfeld » December 22nd, 2017, 2:46 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:Oh man, PYCM GC. Thursday night balla.
tough case today and just a half day tomorrow.
Funny I am a surgeon as well and when I have long tough day in the OR I always reach for something special that night.

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#13 Post by Tom Gutting » December 22nd, 2017, 2:52 pm

I love the PYCM wines. Have got to get some of the CC at some point. I love good CC, and the PYCM style should jive really well with me. Thanks for this excellent note, Alan. And sounds like it was richly deserved!
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#14 Post by Dale Bowers » December 22nd, 2017, 4:29 pm

Fred C wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:
Larry Link wrote:Sounds great. I’m liking the 2011 vintage more and more. We recently tasted 4 Meursaults from 2011 including the PYCM MP. The wines are taut with a lovely acid based energy that make them fun to drink.
if his MP didn’t cost the same as the CC, I’d buy that one also—it’s fabulous.
Just bought 5 of the 2015 MP for more than what the CC is running. I think the MP is the better wine. It's also much harder to find.
No kidding. Like finding hen’s teeth.
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#15 Post by carl klapper » December 22nd, 2017, 5:54 pm

Like a lot of really good '11s the PYCM MP is beginning to show its stuff--I'd call it restrained in a refined MP kind of way. I don't think you'll regret opening it Jerry.

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#16 Post by Larry Link » December 22nd, 2017, 5:59 pm

Fred C wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:
Larry Link wrote:Sounds great. I’m liking the 2011 vintage more and more. We recently tasted 4 Meursaults from 2011 including the PYCM MP. The wines are taut with a lovely acid based energy that make them fun to drink.
if his MP didn’t cost the same as the CC, I’d buy that one also—it’s fabulous.
Just bought 5 of the 2015 MP for more than what the CC is running. I think the MP is the better wine. It's also much harder to find.
I suspect that was a Sage purchase!

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#17 Post by Fred C » December 22nd, 2017, 7:00 pm

Larry Link wrote:
I suspect that was a Sage purchase!
Too far down the totum pole for that allocation. I had to cull them from 2 separate sources.

I did make my first Sage Society purchase yesterday though!
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#18 Post by alan weinberg » December 22nd, 2017, 8:00 pm

what the heck is Sage Society? Btw, I just bought a couple b of the MP.

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#19 Post by Larry Link » December 22nd, 2017, 8:22 pm

alan weinberg wrote:what the heck is Sage Society? Btw, I just bought a couple b of the MP.
Please PM me your source, hope they have a couple more. Thanks.

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#20 Post by Brad England » December 22nd, 2017, 9:20 pm

Nice note Alan. I've had the 11 CC once, about a year ago, and it drank beautifully. I'm also loving PYCM's 2012 CC. With premox a risk, I'm trying whites earlier and if they are great, I keep opening them. Which is an easy decision at our age. As an aside, I got some half bottles of 2014 Bouchard CC, so decided to try one. Expected it to be closed. But it was big and rich, and also very much open for business.
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#21 Post by Ian A » December 23rd, 2017, 8:06 am

I have both the 2011 CC and MP from PYCM. About ten days ago we drank the MP next to a Pierre Morey MP 1988 (from Jasper Morris’s cellar). The 1988 was still really vibrant and had wonderful aromatic complexity. The 11 PYCM was very slow out of the blocks but gradually reined in the 1988 over 3-4 hours as it slowly opened up. This is a very young wine and if you are going to open one I would advise drinking it over 2-3 days as I did with a second bottle this week. On days two and three it was thrilling. Touch wood I have never had a premoxed PYCM, and I think this wine could last 2-3 decades if it doesn’t succumb.
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#22 Post by alan weinberg » December 23rd, 2017, 11:52 am

I also think he makes the best Bienvenue I have ever tasted, besting Ramonet.

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#23 Post by Fred C » December 23rd, 2017, 1:24 pm

alan weinberg wrote:I also think he makes the best Bienvenue I have ever tasted, besting Ramonet.
+1. His Bienvenue may be my favorite of his grand crus. Especially the 08.
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#24 Post by billnanson » December 24th, 2017, 2:02 am

His 2016 CC was my wine of the vintage...
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#25 Post by Robert Pavlovich » December 24th, 2017, 12:21 pm

Fred C wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:I also think he makes the best Bienvenue I have ever tasted, besting Ramonet.
+1. His Bienvenue may be my favorite of his grand crus. Especially the 08.
Had the 10' BBM thanks to Ed recently. Was very nice, though maybe we probably didn't catch it at peak. Was surprised by how fresh it was.

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#26 Post by A Songeur » December 24th, 2017, 1:01 pm

Thanks Bill, I got a few of these plus Chassagne Baudines. Will wait a few years though. I suppose / hope these can age 5-8 years without fearing premox...
Réf 2014, 2015 and 2016 whites in what order would you open them?
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#27 Post by Larry Link » December 24th, 2017, 2:15 pm

A Songeur wrote:Thanks Bill, I got a few of these plus Chassagne Baudines. Will wait a few years though. I suppose / hope these can age 5-8 years without fearing premox...
Réf 2014, 2015 and 2016 whites in what order would you open them?
I’m not Bill, but I do drink a lot of WB. Based on tastings, I think 15 will drink best young, followed by 16 then 14 last. The 14s are spectacular and should age quite well.

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#28 Post by Brad England » December 24th, 2017, 4:52 pm

Larry Link wrote:
A Songeur wrote:Thanks Bill, I got a few of these plus Chassagne Baudines. Will wait a few years though. I suppose / hope these can age 5-8 years without fearing premox...
Réf 2014, 2015 and 2016 whites in what order would you open them?
I’m not Bill, but I do drink a lot of WB. Based on tastings, I think 15 will drink best young, followed by 16 then 14 last. The 14s are spectacular and should age quite well.
I agree with Larry. And with respect to the 2014's, a fantastic vintage, many are tight and not early drinkers, but occasionally they are like the 2012's and great young. So don't be afraid to try them.
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#29 Post by Scott Brunson » December 24th, 2017, 5:48 pm

Robert Pavlovich wrote:
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:Oh man, PYCM GC. Thursday night balla.
Thursday night's a great night to get in to some good Burg. Most of the work done for the week, but not so obvious like the weekend.

Love the 2011 whites right now.
STRONGLY considering this wine for Charleston next year, Robert.
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#30 Post by A Songeur » December 24th, 2017, 11:51 pm

Thanks for the advice. While I love the 2014s young, I will refrain from opening the top wines...but I cannot keep my hands off the villages, the Chablis 1er., the Meursault and pretty much all. So delicious! Even very young
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#31 Post by Doug Ackerman » December 25th, 2017, 7:20 pm

funny, we opened his 11 Meursault Narvaux on Friday on a whim with sushi (great match). beautiful wine, obviously not in the same league as the Perrieres or CC I would imagine. Still, such a clean, strong, vibrant wine. He has mastered walking the line on the edge of reduction.
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