Keller taking over 0,7 ha of Piesporter Schubertslay

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Keller taking over 0,7 ha of Piesporter Schubertslay

#1 Post by Ulrich Beier-Dahl » December 17th, 2017, 7:59 am

Weingut Keller has just announced that from 2018 they will be taking over 0,7 Ha of Piesporter Schubertslay, previously farmed by Julian Haart - so it almost stays in the family, so to speak.
This vineyard is extremely steep and with very old (or very, very, very old as Mr Trump would have said) ungrafted Riesling vines, it 'll be most interesting to se how things develop.
Julian and Nadine Haart and the oldest son at Kellers - Felix - will be looking after the vineyard.
The best of these old, steep vineyards can give fantastic wines, but unfortunately they are so labour intensive that many have been abandoned during the last century for financial reasons.
So as a winelover it's nice to learn that this move is more a labour of love than a rational investment.
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#2 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 17th, 2017, 8:04 am

I saw the announcement. But not that the vines were previously tended by Julian Haart, only that they will be now. Was there something else published?

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#3 Post by Ulrich Beier-Dahl » December 17th, 2017, 8:27 am

I saw on Instagram a German sommelier writing that Julian Haart will be 'taking care of' Nieder Flörsheimer Frauenberg. So it seems that they are swapping vineyards.
They ar eclose friends but I take that that the legal side has agreed upon somehow.

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#4 Post by Ulrich Beier-Dahl » December 17th, 2017, 11:15 am

more precisely: Keller has acquired Schubertslay and Julian Haart has acquired a part of the Frauenberg vineyard with Riesling on limestone soil.

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#5 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 17th, 2017, 11:22 am

Well one if the best sites in Mosel and the best vigneron.
Makes sense
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#6 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 17th, 2017, 7:54 pm

More clarity here. So no more Julian Haart Schubertslay:

http://www.moselfinewines.com/klaus-pet ... neyard.php

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#7 Post by Ulrich Beier-Dahl » December 19th, 2017, 10:36 am

Thanks Russel - I drink too much and study too little ;-)

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#8 Post by Charlie Carnes » December 19th, 2017, 1:02 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:Well one if the best sites in Mosel and the best vigneron.
Makes sense
I would say they are two of the best vignerons. Sad to see Julian not have Schubertslay. I wonder if the Keller team will make similar wines Pradikats and trocken/GG. Also excited to see what Keller does especially if he makes Pradikats. Also, I would like to know more about Frauenberg...
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#9 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 19th, 2017, 7:08 pm

Can Keller make a GG in the Mosel? Would he have to apply to join the Grosser Ring?

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#10 Post by Charlie Carnes » December 19th, 2017, 7:58 pm

Russell Faulkner wrote:Can Keller make a GG in the Mosel? Would he have to apply to join the Grosser Ring?
He certainly has the ability. Can he call it GG? He might have to apply as you glibly put it. I was more thinking outloud, that I hope he makes wine as great and in a similar style as his compatriot Julian Haart. And I bet he can! I personally just don't like the idea of losing anything that Julian Haart makes.
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#11 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 19th, 2017, 8:05 pm

It’s a genuine question. Do you need to be in the Mosel VDP to make a GG there or can you ‘passport’ your VDP membership.

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#13 Post by Charlie Gierling » January 24th, 2018, 2:23 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:It’s a genuine question. Do you need to be in the Mosel VDP to make a GG there or can you ‘passport’ your VDP membership.
I just asked this questio in Germany
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#14 Post by Russell Faulkner » January 24th, 2018, 2:29 am

I asked them directly. They were not sure. In any event I think they want to make Kabinett.

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#15 Post by Pierfrancesco Bini » January 24th, 2018, 3:15 am

From VDP website (http://www.vdp.de/en/vdp/klassifikation ... osse-lage/):
A dry wine from a VDP.GROSSE LAGE© is designated VDP.GROSSES GEWÄCHS© and is bottled in a special bottle embossed with the “GG” logo. The use of the adjective trocken is mandatory.

It looks to me it is a VDP proprietary term. I would be surprised you are allow to use it if you are not a member. If you are a member why should you not be able to passport it?


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#16 Post by Russell Faulkner » January 24th, 2018, 3:33 am

Because each VDP is separate, it quite possibly hasn’t happened before. Klaus Peter wasn’t sure. I asked him.

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#17 Post by Charlie Gierling » January 24th, 2018, 8:19 am

Basically, the same question applies if Keller wants to make a Kabinett "Erste Lage" VDP. I understood it works.
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#18 Post by Arnt Egil Nordlien » January 24th, 2018, 9:51 am

Kruger-Rumpf is situated in Nahe. A few years ago they bought vineyards in Binger Scharlachberg right over the boarder in Rheinhessen. They make a GG from there and I think they did that from the first year. So seems to be no problem to make wine from another region and still name it GG.

Then of course Schubertslay is not considered a VdP Grosse Lage or Erste Lage as of today. So Keller would first have to apply for a classification.
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#19 Post by Russell Faulkner » January 24th, 2018, 10:00 am

It’s within Piesporter Goldtröpfchen isn’t it?

See http://shop.weingut-vereinigtehospitien ... mi-gg.html

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#20 Post by Arnt Egil Nordlien » January 24th, 2018, 10:21 am

It is considered a einzellage on its own, but geographically it is within Goldtröpfchen. But I see it IS already classified as Grosse Lage. I did not know that. But Vereinigte Hospitien is a VdP-member and owns the vineyard.

Then I think it is no problem for Keller to bottle this wine under his name and label it GG or Erste Lage kabinett.
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#21 Post by Jay Miller » January 24th, 2018, 10:43 am

Charlie Carnes wrote:
Claus Jeppesen wrote:Well one if the best sites in Mosel and the best vigneron.
Makes sense
I would say they are two of the best vignerons. Sad to see Julian not have Schubertslay.
Yes, this was my reaction as well. But I suppose a wine of the exact same quality which has Keller on the label will command a much higher price so the deal makes economic sense for them.
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#22 Post by Russell Faulkner » January 24th, 2018, 8:49 pm

Up to 10x if it goes to auction!

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