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#1 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 14th, 2017, 6:33 am

My wine club organized a blind tasting of 12 premier cru's from 2012 . Overall , we were positively surprised : most wines were drinking beautifully and scored between 90 and 93 . So this year may not be a top vintage but still a very good one . The wines were served blind in duo's .
1. Excellent wine : ripe but with good acidities . Drink now 93/100 : GIRARDIN Chassagne Clos des Caillerets
2. Corked ( too bad , seemed very nice ) Nuits St Georges Les Terres Blanches Marchand Tawse : NR
3. Still muted but fresh and mineral in style . Paul Pillot St Aubin les Pitangerets 90/100
4. Wow , really good wine , ripe and rich , not so complex but top . Pierre Yves Colin Morey St Aubin En Remilly 92/100
5. Very floral which I associate with Puligny . For now , nice wine . Puligny Montrachet Le Cailleret la Pousse d'Or 91/100
6. More closed and muted . Very intense , very mineral . Power wine with great future . 93+/100 Henri Boillot Puligny M Clos de la Mouchere
7. Ripe , floral , butter , this is Meursault . Meursault Perrieres Domaine Michelot 91/100
8. Also floral . More full-bodied and intense, I love this to drink now . Domaine du Cerberon Meursault les Cras 92/100
9. Coche spicy nose . Very rich wine , wow . Coche-Dury Meursault les Caillerets 94/100
10. Peachy , still young . A good wine but has the bad luck to be served with the previous one 91/100 Buisson Charles Meursault Charmes
11. Very pure and mineral , still monolytic but what a powerful wine . Top class. 93+/100 Comte Lafon Meursault Genevrieres
12. there had to be one.... very advanced/oxidized.. NR Morey Blanc Hospices de Beaune Meursault Genevrieres cuvee Baudot

We were 9 tasters . Overall score :
-first place : Coche Dury Meursault Caillerets : 23 points ( 8 first places )
-second place : Henri Boillot Puligny M Clos de la Mouchere : 12 p
-third place : Comte Lafon : Meursault Genevrieres 10 p

These 3 wines , together with the Girardin and the PYCM were the best ones and maybe not fully ready . Most others were and offer real pleasure .

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#2 Post by Fred C » December 14th, 2017, 7:48 am

I don't find Girardin reds to be too exciting but their whites are very good to excellent.
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#3 Post by c fu » December 14th, 2017, 8:04 am

Fred C wrote:I don't find Girardin reds to be too exciting but their whites are very good to excellent.
Super under rated white wines. Racy and full of acid
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#4 Post by Jerry Hey » December 14th, 2017, 8:32 am

Thanks Herwig for the notes. I had my first 2012 1er cru yesterday - the Lafon Meursault Porusots. Lots of life and body with a great finish, I'd put this right along side the Genevrieres you tasted.

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#5 Post by J e f f Pryznyk » December 14th, 2017, 8:50 am

I know this is a hard questing to be definitive on, but how do people feel about 2012 1er aging potential going forward? Drink now or hold?

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#6 Post by carl klapper » December 14th, 2017, 9:11 am

About a year ago the '12 Porusots showed an unappetizing level of not fully integrated new oak. May be time to try again.

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#7 Post by Brad England » December 14th, 2017, 9:19 am

Nice tasting. I'm a huge fan of 2012 whites, particularly for current consumption.
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#8 Post by Rauno E (NZ) » December 14th, 2017, 1:10 pm

Good data point thanks. 2012s are looking pretty smart. And I agree that the Girardin range has been really good at that level for the last few years. Still not very convinced by their GC efforts, but the 1ers are consistently lovely.
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#9 Post by Jeremy Holmes » December 14th, 2017, 3:05 pm

Thanks Herwig. I like where '12's are at the moment. I like where '11's are at even more.
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#10 Post by Chris Seiber » December 14th, 2017, 10:01 pm

Jeremy Holmes wrote:Thanks Herwig. I like where '12's are at the moment. I like where '11's are at even more.
I like that both vintages are at a place that's before premox. But for how much longer? If they're drinking well now, now is a good time to drink them.

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#11 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 15th, 2017, 12:28 am

Yes , I agree , 2012 premier cru is great for current drinking . And why wait , considering premox .
Girardin always does well in our blind tastings , his whites are excellent imo .

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#13 Post by Brad England » December 15th, 2017, 6:34 am

Brad England wrote:
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Jeremy Holmes wrote:Thanks Herwig. I like where '12's are at the moment. YES.

I like where '11's are at even more. I USED TO SAY YES, BUT IT'S CLOSE NOW.
I like that both vintages are at a place that's before premox. YES.

But for how much longer? And sadly, YES.
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Herwig Janssen wrote:Yes , I agree , 2012 premier cru is great for current drinking . And why wait , considering premox .
Girardin always does well in our blind tastings , his whites are excellent imo .
I am also a big fan of Girardin whites. Dominique Lafon since 2009 has done an excellent job. Has anyone had premoxed Lafon since 2009?
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#15 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 15th, 2017, 8:15 am

No . Lafon changed his style of wine making , I think . The wines are more tight and mineral .

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#16 Post by k s h i n » December 15th, 2017, 9:08 am

Herwig Janssen wrote:No . Lafon changed his style of wine making , I think . The wines are more tight and mineral .
I heard that from a negoce who works closely with Dominique. I love his wines once again! Lafon was more expensive than Coche in the early 90s in the states.
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#17 Post by Brad England » December 15th, 2017, 5:58 pm

k s h i n wrote:Has anyone had premoxed Lafon since 2009?
Kevin, I haven't had any that I can recall.
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#18 Post by dcornutt » December 16th, 2017, 3:22 am

This kind of tasting is the reason that I buy Boillot Clos de la Moucheres every vintage. Thanks Herwig. Coche always rules in a ripe vintage when others tend to struggle IMHO.
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#19 Post by Blake Brown » December 16th, 2017, 6:12 am

Nice blind event. The top 3 are all really good ones, but I`m surprised the Pierre Yves Colin Morey St Aubin En Remilly did not come in at the top. I`ve had a few and all have been spectacular.
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#20 Post by Subu Ramachandran » December 16th, 2017, 8:26 am

Great notes Herwig...not surprised by the top 3...but thought the PYCM En Remilly would show better. Like Blake I have never been disappointed with one. Btw I saw Ramonet making an En Remilly starting 2013, anyone tried them yet?

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#21 Post by k s h i n » December 16th, 2017, 11:17 am

Blake Brown wrote:Nice blind event. The top 3 are all really good ones, but I`m surprised the Pierre Yves Colin Morey St Aubin En Remilly did not come in at the top. I`ve had a few and all have been spectacular.
I love PYCM En Remilly but not sure if it is as good as the top 1er crus Meursualts or Pulignys.
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#22 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 16th, 2017, 11:58 am

Agree with Kevin

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#23 Post by Khiem Le » December 18th, 2017, 12:58 pm

Herwig,

I would have expected the Lafon Genévrières to be more elegant than powerful.

Have you tried any white 2015s? They're delicious right now!

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#24 Post by Howard Cooper » December 18th, 2017, 1:05 pm

Great interview of Dominique Lafon by Levi Dalton on I'll Drink to That. Indicated he is now using DIAM. Is that what people are seeing?
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#25 Post by William Kelley » December 18th, 2017, 1:25 pm

Subu Ramachandran wrote:Great notes Herwig...not surprised by the top 3...but thought the PYCM En Remilly would show better. Like Blake I have never been disappointed with one. Btw I saw Ramonet making an En Remilly starting 2013, anyone tried them yet?
Yes, they now make a few Saint Aubins - Charmois (which they have had for a while) and Murgers des Dents de Chien too. They are all nice wines, elegant and supple, but they're probably not going to make you forget the better 1er Crus from Chassagne and Puligny in the Ramonet cellar.
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#26 Post by Subu Ramachandran » December 18th, 2017, 7:40 pm

Thanks William!

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#27 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 18th, 2017, 11:52 pm

Hi Khiem , yes I tried some 2015’s and they are indeed already delicious . I would certainly drink them before the glorious 2014’s . ( but yesterday , I had a 2014 Francois Carillon Puligny which was also a top wine ) . Conclusion ? Whites are drinking better sooner than before ? So you don’t have to wait 10 years no longer ? I don’t know
Howard , at Lafon , the change is more than DIAM alone . His wines are tighter and more mineral , I think.

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#28 Post by k s h i n » December 19th, 2017, 5:55 am

Herwig Janssen wrote:Hi Khiem , yes I tried some 2015’s and they are indeed already delicious . I would certainly drink them before the glorious 2014’s . ( but yesterday , I had a 2014 Francois Carillon Puligny which was also a top wine ) . Conclusion ? Whites are drinking better sooner than before ? So you don’t have to wait 10 years no longer ? I don’t know
Howard , at Lafon , the change is more than DIAM alone . His wines are tighter and more mineral , I think.
I believe he picks earlier than before. Even after the change, I don't find Lafon wines elegant but pure and expressive.
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