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#1 Post by RickieM » June 7th, 2017, 7:59 am

This looks pretty darn interesting. It's a Kickstarter project for now, but take a look:

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#2 Post by Victor Hong » June 7th, 2017, 8:13 am

One can achieve the same effect by dropping clean glass marbles into a wine bottle, until the remaining wine rises up the neck, to avoid oxidation.
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#3 Post by mattcitrang » June 7th, 2017, 8:19 am

Victor Hong wrote:One can achieve the same effect by dropping clean glass marbles into a wine bottle, until the remaining wine rises up the neck, to avoid oxidation.
.....and much easier to clean.

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#4 Post by NED VALOIS » June 7th, 2017, 8:22 am

A tad more eloquent than marbles , however.

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#5 Post by Victor Hong » June 7th, 2017, 8:23 am

I have a few loose marbles, to spare.
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#6 Post by TomC » June 7th, 2017, 9:15 am

Interesting design, and it certainly makes a lot of logical sense. It will be interesting to see how it fares once it is run through additional conditions, mainly quality over multiple accesses, and testing the claim of its ability over "weeks."

Although I do find it odd it wants you to decant the whole bottle into it to "open it up" but then also claims that 1 week later it is just as fresh as a "newly opened" bottle. Maybe they mean 'newly decanted'.

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#7 Post by Jon U » June 7th, 2017, 9:28 am

I have tried to pour newly opened wine into smaller bottles. I filled them to the brim and sealed them with a screw cap. A day or two later, the wine did not taste very fresh to me. In my opinion, once exposed to air, all bets are off.
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#8 Post by John Morris » June 7th, 2017, 9:32 am

Jon U wrote:I have tried to pour newly opened wine into smaller bottles. I filled them to the brim and sealed them with a screw cap. A day or two later, the wine did not taste very fresh to me. In my opinion, once exposed to air, all bets are off.
There are endless threads on that topic. Some of us have had VERY good luck with this method. But I always refrigerate the wine. I don't know if you did, or just left it at room temperature. I think it also depends on the type of wine.
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#9 Post by larry schaffer » June 7th, 2017, 9:32 am

Jon U wrote:I have tried to pour newly opened wine into smaller bottles. I filled them to the brim and sealed them with a screw cap. A day or two later, the wine did not taste very fresh to me. In my opinion, once exposed to air, all bets are off.
To me, that is a very broad statement. I would agree that was older wines, the tendency is for these not to last very long after opening. With younger wines, though, I found that they can last days using this technique. Did you also put the bottles into the fridge?
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#10 Post by GregT » June 7th, 2017, 9:33 am

Jon - put them in the fridge. I assume you poured the wine into the smaller bottles on opening and not after it had been open for a while.

Some wines don't hold up but that's still the best way I've found to keep it for a few days. Other than a Coravin I guess.
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#11 Post by GregT » June 7th, 2017, 9:33 am

Wow. Two people posted while I was typing. Anyway, what they said!
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#12 Post by Jon U » June 7th, 2017, 4:19 pm

Yes, I always store the bottles in the fridge. These days, I top off with argon in the original bottle and store in fridge. That seems to work slightly better for me.
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#13 Post by James Billy » June 7th, 2017, 9:05 pm

Put the wine in the fridge for a few hours at least and only remove it for a few minutes at a time before returning It there. Most young red wines keep nearly a week doing this IMO. If the bottle is left out of the fridge for, say, an hour or more, its life is shortened. YMMV.

You can decant a little before you need it to have it at drinking temperature when required or warm with your hands or a warm, damp cloth.

Using the 375 bottle filled to the very top helps, too.

But temperature is key if you want to slow down the reactions.

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#14 Post by larry schaffer » June 9th, 2017, 12:00 pm

Jancis Robinson posted a very positive review today - for all of those who care about those things. . .
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#15 Post by Nick Ryan » June 9th, 2017, 7:39 pm

No point to this if you have to decant it... The oxygen has already made its way in. RIP.
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#16 Post by Dave English » June 10th, 2017, 12:25 am

No worse than when the winemaker racks a wine a few times?

http://www.newworldwinemaker.com/pdf/AW ... oxygen.pdf
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#17 Post by James Billy » June 10th, 2017, 3:13 am

But SO is added accordingly. How about letting in extra oxygen without SO additions?

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#18 Post by Dave English » June 10th, 2017, 3:38 am

James Billy wrote:But SO is added accordingly. How about letting in extra oxygen without SO additions?
Good point doh.

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#19 Post by Steve Slatcher » June 10th, 2017, 6:59 am

Nick Ryan wrote:No point to this if you have to decant it... The oxygen has already made its way in. RIP.
That's what I thought but the blind triangular tests performed for JR article (actually by Richard Hemming BTW) suggests otherwise
http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/ ... ing-device

Or does it depend on how long to leave exposed to air I the decanter? I thought it was the act of actually pours that dissolved the oxygen.

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#20 Post by Wes Barton » June 10th, 2017, 8:09 am

Jon U wrote:I have tried to pour newly opened wine into smaller bottles. I filled them to the brim and sealed them with a screw cap. A day or two later, the wine did not taste very fresh to me. In my opinion, once exposed to air, all bets are off.
If it's a delicate wine, a gentle siphoning method would help a lot. Sparging on top of that even more. An add-on devise to do this elegantly could be made.

This product and the similar Wine Squirrel are basically scaled down winery tech. The variable size protects against loss of volatile aromatics to the headspace, which is a problem with most other methods.
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#21 Post by julianseersmartin » January 25th, 2019, 7:41 am

Did anyone on WB get in on this?

Over on wine pages, backers have started receiving theirs in the last day or two. I am one of the early backers but not sure how much longer it'll take to arrive in the US.

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#22 Post by Mark Morrissette » January 25th, 2019, 11:28 am

I ordered a pair early on Kickstarter as well, but have not received mine yet either. No shipping notice yet either. But, I am guessing it will take a couple of more weeks to get to the US. (And, given how long we have waited so far, I am not in any particular rush!)

I have been following along with their emails and updates, and watched the recent videos with interest. Looks pretty interesting, and I am looking forward to getting mine.

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#23 Post by YLee » January 25th, 2019, 11:50 am

Even if it keeps wines "fresh" for few days, it appears to be a cool toy to show off to friends & family.
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#24 Post by Philip G » January 25th, 2019, 12:08 pm

I think Coravin is probably a better solution as it should expose the wine to less air and therefor the wine will last longer. My Coravin-ed bottles easily last more than 7 days. If all you want to use either for is to drink a bottle over a 1 week period then Eto is more economical at ~$75 vs ~$300 for Coravin plus the cost of canisters.
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#25 Post by Anton D » January 25th, 2019, 12:22 pm

I am curious as to how big the "left over wine" market is.

Our longest "save" is usually 24 hours. I don't know how I would keep up with an array of 'open and saved for later' wines.

Anyways....this device only works with one bottle at a time, while a Coravin system can save multiples.

It sure is lovely, though!

I could see it for a 1 or two bottle per week drinking pattern. It would fit my household consumption except we usually kill the bottle the next evening.

Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into it.

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#26 Post by YLee » January 25th, 2019, 12:34 pm

Anton D wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:22 pm
I am curious as to how big the "left over wine" market is.

Our longest "save" is usually 24 hours. I don't know how I would keep up with an array of 'open and saved for later' wines.

Anyways....this device only works with one bottle at a time, while a Coravin system can save multiples.

It sure is lovely, though!

I could see it for a 1 or two bottle per week drinking pattern. It would fit my household consumption except we usually kill the bottle the next evening.

Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into it.

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#27 Post by John Kight » January 25th, 2019, 12:38 pm

NED VALOIS wrote:
June 7th, 2017, 8:22 am
A tad more eloquent than marbles , however.
And more elegant, too!

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#28 Post by Anton D » January 25th, 2019, 12:39 pm

John Kight wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:38 pm
NED VALOIS wrote:
June 7th, 2017, 8:22 am
A tad more eloquent than marbles , however.
And more elegant, too!
You could have said that better.

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#29 Post by Philip G » January 25th, 2019, 12:52 pm

Anton D wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:22 pm
I am curious as to how big the "left over wine" market is.

Our longest "save" is usually 24 hours. I don't know how I would keep up with an array of 'open and saved for later' wines.

Anyways....this device only works with one bottle at a time, while a Coravin system can save multiples.

It sure is lovely, though!

I could see it for a 1 or two bottle per week drinking pattern. It would fit my household consumption except we usually kill the bottle the next evening.

Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into it.

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#30 Post by John Kight » January 25th, 2019, 1:30 pm

Philip G wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:52 pm
Anton D wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:22 pm
I am curious as to how big the "left over wine" market is.

Our longest "save" is usually 24 hours. I don't know how I would keep up with an array of 'open and saved for later' wines.

Anyways....this device only works with one bottle at a time, while a Coravin system can save multiples.

It sure is lovely, though!

I could see it for a 1 or two bottle per week drinking pattern. It would fit my household consumption except we usually kill the bottle the next evening.

Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into it.

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(Sorry, could only find the video link on FB)
Wow, that's a thread-killer!

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#31 Post by David Glasser » January 25th, 2019, 6:14 pm

Anton D wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:39 pm
John Kight wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:38 pm
NED VALOIS wrote:
June 7th, 2017, 8:22 am
A tad more eloquent than marbles , however.
And more elegant, too!
You could have said that better.

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Cut NED a break. Clearly, the design speaks to him.

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#32 Post by Barry Sunderland » January 26th, 2019, 4:24 am

John Kight wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 1:30 pm
Philip G wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:52 pm
Anton D wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 12:22 pm
I am curious as to how big the "left over wine" market is.

Our longest "save" is usually 24 hours. I don't know how I would keep up with an array of 'open and saved for later' wines.

Anyways....this device only works with one bottle at a time, while a Coravin system can save multiples.

It sure is lovely, though!

I could see it for a 1 or two bottle per week drinking pattern. It would fit my household consumption except we usually kill the bottle the next evening.

Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into it.

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(Sorry, could only find the video link on FB)
Wow, that's a thread-killer!
I’ve had only ‘1/2’ of this VIDEO, and I DON’T want to ‘preserve’ it!!!

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#33 Post by Clint S Q U I E R » January 26th, 2019, 11:01 am

I’m starting to think this is vaporware. Far too many delays - shame too bc it looks really convenient for saving a bottle for a day or two.

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#34 Post by Mark Morrissette » January 26th, 2019, 11:15 am

Clint S Q U I E R wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 11:01 am
I’m starting to think this is vaporware. Far too many delays - shame too bc it looks really convenient for saving a bottle for a day or two.
I could see saying that 6 months ago. But at this point, people are receiving them, and posting initial impressions online. It took a long time, but to me this does not have the air of vaporware anymore.

By definition, essentially everything on Kickstarter is vaporware at the start. It does not exist yet. That is the point. It is the developer's ability to execute that is in question.

I don't have mine yet, so arguably it is still wishful thinking on my part, but it seems to me the product is done and being shipped. Now, hopefully it works!

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#35 Post by Clint S Q U I E R » January 26th, 2019, 11:45 am

Mark Morrissette wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 11:15 am
Clint S Q U I E R wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 11:01 am
I’m starting to think this is vaporware. Far too many delays - shame too bc it looks really convenient for saving a bottle for a day or two.
I could see saying that 6 months ago. But at this point, people are receiving them, and posting initial impressions online. It took a long time, but to me this does not have the air of vaporware anymore.

By definition, essentially everything on Kickstarter is vaporware at the start. It does not exist yet. That is the point. It is the developer's ability to execute that is in question.

I don't have mine yet, so arguably it is still wishful thinking on my part, but it seems to me the product is done and being shipped. Now, hopefully it works!
I missed where people have started receiving theirs....that’s great news.

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#36 Post by Mark Morrissette » February 10th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Good news, bad news, good news....

My eto arrived! But, it was broken! But, customer service has been great.

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It arrived. The packaging is really high quality. The copper top of the product is beautiful. Unfortunately, the glass decanter was shattered when I opened it up.

I contacted customer service. They responded very quickly, and very friendly. They will be sending me a whole new unit. I will report back....

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#37 Post by julianseersmartin » February 11th, 2019, 10:24 am

Did you get any tracking info Mark or did it just turn up?

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#38 Post by Cole Kendall » February 11th, 2019, 12:17 pm

Mine just turned up absent any tracking info. Will try to use it tonight.

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#39 Post by Mark Morrissette » February 11th, 2019, 12:42 pm

julianseersmartin wrote:
February 11th, 2019, 10:24 am
Did you get any tracking info Mark or did it just turn up?
Just showed up. I was a bit surprised, as I had not gotten any tracking info.
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