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Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 12:35 pm
by YLee
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 10:25 am
10 cases showed up today, oops
I called them up yesterday and told them not to ship mine due to fluctuating weather. When they do ship one day I'm afraid what will be waiting for me at my door. [oops.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 12:40 pm
by C Chen
YLee wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 12:35 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 10:25 am
10 cases showed up today, oops
I called them up yesterday and told them not to ship mine due to fluctuating weather. When they do ship one day I'm afraid what will be waiting for me at my door. [oops.gif]
Pretty cool weather here, got some shipments in the upcoming weeks from various SoCal spots.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 2:23 pm
by ky1em!ttskus
It's freezing in the Envoyer storage area.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 3:01 pm
by Frank Murray III
Indeed it is cool back there. I would have no concerns about their storage.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 3:13 pm
by C Chen
Frank Murray III wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 3:01 pm
Indeed it is cool back there. I would have no concerns about their storage.
I work right down the street, so I just stopped by and grabbed a Mousse Effusion Rose. Thanks for getting me into it-- it's a kickass Champagne at only $35. Told Greg how much I loved it from the last time we drank together. Surprisingly, he hasn't tried it yet, but he'll pop one this weekend.

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Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 3:23 pm
by Frank Murray III
C Chen wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 3:13 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 3:01 pm
Indeed it is cool back there. I would have no concerns about their storage.
I work right down the street, so I just stopped by and grabbed a Mousse Effusion Rose. Thanks for getting me into it-- it's a kickass Champagne at only $35. Told Greg how much I loved it from the last time we drank together. Surprisingly, he hasn't tried it yet, but he'll pop one this weekend.

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We need to get you back into an event with us. Been too long.

Mousse's stuff is really fun to drink. Did you drink the Extra L'or yet? Do it.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 4:24 pm
by YLee
Frank and Curtis convinced me to pick up the last 2 bottles at Envoyer. Damn it. I need to workout even more now.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 4:37 pm
by Frank Murray III
Well, if you are buying terrific grower bubbly for 40 bucks, i can live with that. Good work. [worship.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 4:45 pm
by DanielP
What's the word on the Mousse Effusion Rose? I ordered an in stock bottle a few days ago primarily for the combination of price and intriguing grower.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 4:58 pm
by Frank Murray III
  • NV Moussé Fils Champagne Brut Rose Effusion - France, Champagne (7/7/2018)
    Disgorged 06/2016. 6 g/l with about 90% PM and 10% PN. Opened last night and kept a small amount under stopper for today. Pinkish with a touch of red, beautiful color. Lively acidity, leaning towards black cherry fruit. This is very zesty, with a bitter finishing note that gives the wine a lively energy. The finish takes on a grapefruit pith quality, that citrusy bitterness that I enjoy. This will wake up the palate and make it pay attention.
  • NV Moussé Fils Champagne Brut Rose Effusion - France, Champagne (5/16/2018)
    This was our last wine to taste of the Mousse range. This is the blend of both soleras that they maintain, with a total composition of 92% PM and 8% PN. 6 g/l dosage and I forgot to jot down the disgorge date. Fresh, lively, red berry, creamy and bright in tone. If I can find this locally in time via my shop, I will buy it. Enjoyed this as a solid Rose.
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Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 11th, 2019, 5:07 pm
by DanielP
Thanks Frank. I actually think I might've read your notes. Appreciate them as usual. Rule #1, If Envoyer offers it, Frank's tried it!

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 15th, 2019, 4:11 am
by Mich@el Ch@ng
Saw my first European offering of regular 08 dom; 155E, so not really that much cheaper.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 15th, 2019, 4:31 pm
by Frank Murray III
DanielPaik wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 5:07 pm
Thanks Frank. I actually think I might've read your notes. Appreciate them as usual. Rule #1, If Envoyer offers it, Frank's tried it!
Thanks, Daniel. I share them because some people want the perspective and they add it to their portfolio of feedback. Glad it helps. I am just one dude, with one palate and I know what I like and usually drink what that is. As an aside, I don't buy everything that Greg offers, skipping the grand marques and settling with the small, organic/bio, low dose producers. It's my space, it ain't everyone's.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 17th, 2019, 8:09 am
by Frank Murray III
Re-offer of the Mousse Saignee Rose Special Club today. This is excellent, clean, precise champagne that is 100% PM. if you have funds for champagne right now, this stuff is terrific. I re-upped for more today.
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Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 4:06 am
by YLee
Frank Murray III wrote:
January 17th, 2019, 8:09 am
Re-offer of the Mousse Saignee Rose Special Club today. This is excellent, clean, precise champagne that is 100% PM. if you have funds for champagne right now, this stuff is terrific. I re-upped for more today.
Posted from CellarTracker
Got'em. Is this a drink now or age it wine?

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 7:48 am
by Mich@el Ch@ng
Another 2008 dom offer at 189; maybe I should’ve bought more from fwgs on bf. I have put away a lot though.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 7:51 am
by Eric Sch
Agreed with FMIII, the Mousse SC Rosé is great stuff, all Meunier. The 13 was one of my Champagnes of the year 2018. Tried the 14 a couple weeks ago and it's also tasty but young, I'm giving it a bit of time to relax.

I also grabbed a couple more yesterday, best pricing I've seen.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 8:14 am
by YLee
Eric Sch wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 7:51 am
Agreed with FMIII, the Mousse SC Rosé is great stuff, all Meunier. The 13 was one of my Champagnes of the year 2018. Tried the 14 a couple weeks ago and it's also tasty but young, I'm giving it a bit of time to relax.

I also grabbed a couple more yesterday, best pricing I've seen.
I've never had it, how much time do you recommend?

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 1:18 pm
by Frank Murray III
Yong, to me, nothing wrong with drinking and enjoying this now. I love structure, acid and energy and conversely don't care for aged characteristics of wine, regardless of type. In sum, drink one and see what you think. I plan to open another soon, as I bought some more.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 1:31 pm
by julianseersmartin
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 7:48 am
Another 2008 dom offer at 189; maybe I should’ve bought more from fwgs on bf. I have put away a lot though.
Yep, I think we might be looking at the new norm and 08 will settle at about 160-70 at the very best price. DP is long overdue a bump.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 2:02 pm
by Mich@el Ch@ng
julianseersmartin wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 1:31 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 7:48 am
Another 2008 dom offer at 189; maybe I should’ve bought more from fwgs on bf. I have put away a lot though.
Yep, I think we might be looking at the new norm and 08 will settle at about 160-70 at the very best price. DP is long overdue a bump.
yeah 147 was a great price for it. Glad I grabbed a couple cases.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 3:09 pm
by Jim Stewart
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 2:02 pm
julianseersmartin wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 1:31 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 7:48 am
Another 2008 dom offer at 189; maybe I should’ve bought more from fwgs on bf. I have put away a lot though.
Yep, I think we might be looking at the new norm and 08 will settle at about 160-70 at the very best price. DP is long overdue a bump.
yeah 147 was a great price for it. Glad I grabbed a couple cases.
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Michael, excuse me for being gauche; it no longer embarrasses me and I hope my question doesn't embarrass you. Are you making purchases like these for personal use? I find the disparity between your ballpark and mine absolutely stunning at times. I know you are very generous in also sharing your knowledge of wine at all price levels and I thank you for doing that. Just some of your purchases are a bit jaw-dropping "pour moi".
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Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 3:44 pm
by Mich@el Ch@ng
Yes it is. I drink a lot of champagne and in the best vintages you'll be well served putting away Dom/Cristal etc as they'll drink well for decades. Two cases of dom at $150 is $3600, which is certainly not cheap, but will offer nice drinking for decades. If you review some of these wine dinner posts, there's not infrequently people drinking 10-20 bottles of wine, many of which are worth more for one bottle than that total on today's open market, whether or not that's what they paid for them when they bought them. There is a big range of spending here which is what it is. I like getting information from people drinking bottles costing thousands and bottles costing $10-30.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 3:52 pm
by Jim Stewart
Michael, thank you for your straightforward gracious nature. I just toasted you with my last sip of tonight's glass of wine! -Jim

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 18th, 2019, 4:15 pm
by Eric Sch
Frank Murray III wrote:
January 18th, 2019, 1:18 pm
Yong, to me, nothing wrong with drinking and enjoying this now. I love structure, acid and energy and conversely don't care for aged characteristics of wine, regardless of type. In sum, drink one and see what you think. I plan to open another soon, as I bought some more.
We like our rose with a bit of age so I intentionally put a bunch aside. Young rose is acid driven, light and racy and pretty. Age adds depth and complexity, and my wife and I love a touch of oxidation in our bubbly rose, but everyone is different in their likes.

We intentionally buy so we can try at various stages. I have 4 bottles of the 14 Mousse and will probably drink 1 this year and spread the rest over the next 10 years depending on evolution.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 19th, 2019, 8:05 am
by John Webber
Frank Murray III wrote:
January 17th, 2019, 8:09 am
Re-offer of the Mousse Saignee Rose Special Club today. This is excellent, clean, precise champagne that is 100% PM. if you have funds for champagne right now, this stuff is terrific. I re-upped for more today.
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That sold out same day. In the mood to buy bubbles, so I went elsewhere for a mixed 10 pack of Savart. I have never had his wines, but i'm looking forward to them as they sound like my style.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 8:04 pm
by Robert M yers
Does anybody remember what Hebrart special clubs usually cost from Envoyer?

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 8:09 pm
by ky1em!ttskus
Opened a Vilmart GC last night from the most recent disgorgement. Ho-lee sh!t. champagne.gif

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 8:32 pm
by Josh Grossman
Robert M yers wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 8:04 pm
Does anybody remember what Hebrart special clubs usually cost from Envoyer?
It was $54.99 for the '14 at Envoyer. I had to look it up after the offer today too. I almost bit on it still as I think this mostly blanc de noir dominated blend will be a good one for '15 and it was competitive in price. Alas, I have 105 bottles of champagne in the cellar.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 10:45 pm
by C Chen
Josh Grossman wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 8:32 pm
Alas, I have 105 bottles of champagne in the cellar.
Amateur. [wink.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 10:46 pm
by C Chen
ky1em!ttskus wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 8:09 pm
Opened a Vilmart GC last night from the most recent disgorgement. Ho-lee sh!t. champagne.gif
Man, those GCs are good. Been favoring them over the Rubis lately. Thanks for the positive report!

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 11:59 pm
by Brian G r a f s t r o m
Went for a bottle of the Jose Michel "Houdart." It sounds interesting, hopefully excellent, and potentially memorable.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 27th, 2019, 6:37 am
by Warren Taranow
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Went for a bottle of the Jose Michel "Houdart." It sounds interesting, hopefully excellent, and potentially memorable.
Brian,
I found it interesting, although not as memorable as I had hoped. You won’t be disappointed buying a bottle, but you should try it before buying several. Here’s a thread Dennis A started.
Cheers,
Warren

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 27th, 2019, 7:54 am
by Cris Whetstone
Warren Taranow wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 6:37 am
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
January 26th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Went for a bottle of the Jose Michel "Houdart." It sounds interesting, hopefully excellent, and potentially memorable.
Brian,
I found it interesting, although not as memorable as I had hoped. You won’t be disappointed buying a bottle, but you should try it before buying several. Here’s a thread Dennis A started.
Cheers,
Warren
I'm with Warren. We make jokes about saying a wine is "interesting" when asked about it. This one is 'interesting'. Definitely not bad, just interesting. I have another bottle that will get open when I'm in a geekier mood rather than in pursuit of pleasure.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 27th, 2019, 7:56 am
by Dennis Atick
Warren Taranow wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 6:37 am

Brian,
I found it interesting, although not as memorable as I had hoped. You won’t be disappointed buying a bottle, but you should try it before buying several. Here’s a thread Dennis A started.
Cheers,
Warren
I pretty much agree with this guy's take [wink.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 31st, 2019, 8:04 am
by Neal.Mollen
SUPER tempted by the 07 Philliponnat Rose extra brut today.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 31st, 2019, 9:42 am
by Ron F r e e d
Neal.Mollen wrote:
January 31st, 2019, 8:04 am
SUPER tempted by the 07 Philliponnat Rose extra brut today.
Me too. I usually delete emails quickly, but I have kept this open to think about...

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 31st, 2019, 11:52 am
by amjohnstone
Neal.Mollen wrote:
January 31st, 2019, 8:04 am
SUPER tempted by the 07 Philliponnat Rose extra brut today.
That's a great champagne, and the price is very nice, too. I bit immediately.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: January 31st, 2019, 1:18 pm
by Travis Fantz
The offer today definitely made me ask myself if I have enough rose champagne.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 1:10 pm
by Warren Taranow
Great prices today on the 2013 Chartogne-Taillet Beaux Sens and Les Orizeaux, and the 2012 Chemin de Reims. I paid $10 more per bottle last year. The question is, do I need more?

Cheers,
Warren

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 2:10 pm
by Mich@el Ch@ng
Trying to pass on new offers this week; there were nice burg and Rhône ones I passed on, this one was easy pass.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 3:19 pm
by Frank Murray III
I asked for each of the three. The 2008 CT Millesime last year was excellent, as were the 2010 Couarres Chateau. I want to dig in deeper with CT and get more of their wines into my cellar. They farm clean and are low dosage, which i pursue mostly now as my Champagne buying strategy.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 4:31 pm
by Warren Taranow
Frank Murray III wrote:
February 4th, 2019, 3:19 pm
I asked for each of the three. The 2008 CT Millsime last year was excellent, as were the 2010 Couarres Chateau. I want to dig in deeper with CT and get more of their wines into my cellar. They farm clean and are low dosage, which i pursue mostly now as my Champagne buying strategy.
I knew you'd buy these! Almost as predictable as Vilmart. [rofl.gif]

WT

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 5:32 pm
by R. Frankel
Yea I bit on this offer, too. Really enjoyed the 2009 and 2010 C-Ts. And at this price, it’s close to a no brainer.

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 7:24 pm
by Frank Murray III
Warren Taranow wrote:
February 4th, 2019, 4:31 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
February 4th, 2019, 3:19 pm
I asked for each of the three. The 2008 CT Millsime last year was excellent, as were the 2010 Couarres Chateau. I want to dig in deeper with CT and get more of their wines into my cellar. They farm clean and are low dosage, which i pursue mostly now as my Champagne buying strategy.
I knew you'd buy these! Almost as predictable as Vilmart. [rofl.gif]

WT
I know what I like and where my want my $$$ to go, so, you got me. [winner.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 7:24 pm
by Frank Murray III
Warren Taranow wrote:
February 4th, 2019, 4:31 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
February 4th, 2019, 3:19 pm
I asked for each of the three. The 2008 CT Millsime last year was excellent, as were the 2010 Couarres Chateau. I want to dig in deeper with CT and get more of their wines into my cellar. They farm clean and are low dosage, which i pursue mostly now as my Champagne buying strategy.
I knew you'd buy these! Almost as predictable as Vilmart. [rofl.gif]

WT
I know what I like and where my want my $$$ to go, so, you got me. [winner.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 4th, 2019, 8:06 pm
by Warren Taranow
Frank Murray III wrote:
February 4th, 2019, 7:24 pm
I know what I like and where my want my $$$ to go, so, you got me. [winner.gif]
Great deal, good purchase. I'm the pot calling the kettle black [shrug.gif]

Cheers,
Warren

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 6th, 2019, 9:36 am
by Viet Ly
C Chen wrote:
December 20th, 2018, 1:50 pm
Checked out the small stock area at Envoyer today. Really great selection with some fantastic prices. Ended up leaving with a few '71 Barisone and '71 Brero Barolos (anyone know where these are from?), a five year old ex-cellar Vilmart Rubis, and a few 2016 Zind-Humbrecht Clos Windsbuhl Pinot Gris (originally sold out, but some customer didn't provide CC info).

They even had some awesome sake, everyday and high end Burg/Napa cabs (like Mazzini, Jadot, Mondavi Reserves, Clos du Val, Montelena), and some other fun growers ('06 Vilmart Coeur de Cuvée, Le Mesnil, Mousse, etc). Frank, thanks for hyping up the in-stock bottles. Fun trip!
With the recent move and holidays, getting caught up on the threads I normally read. I had the chance to visit Envoyer a few months ago as well and agree: cold storage, very small inventory. I only had time to pick up quickly since my wife was with me and I didn't even look at the stock closely so as not to get tempted. The NV Godme Rose will be the first wine purchase in over a month (if still available). Once things settle down, looking forward to dropping by more often since I'll only be 12 minutes away (just mapped it) [help.gif]

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 6th, 2019, 6:06 pm
by alan weinberg
vinsrare just sold 08 Godmé

Re: Envoyer is crushing it with Champagne these days

Posted: February 7th, 2019, 2:10 pm
by C Chen
Viet Ly wrote:
February 6th, 2019, 9:36 am
With the recent move and holidays, getting caught up on the threads I normally read. I had the chance to visit Envoyer a few months ago as well and agree: cold storage, very small inventory. I only had time to pick up quickly since my wife was with me and I didn't even look at the stock closely so as not to get tempted. The NV Godme Rose will be the first wine purchase in over a month (if still available). Once things settle down, looking forward to dropping by more often since I'll only be 12 minutes away (just mapped it) [help.gif]
Nice! I started buying less and selling more after noticing slower recovery between workouts (gotta race to your lifting numbers!). Besides purchasing wines that elicit fond memories, I've reduced my impulse buying to about two bottles per month. I'll be more carefree when my girlfriend and I travel to wine county and find a wine we love, or when more '08 Champagnes become available (like Comtes and Dom), but other than that, it's all under control. [cheers.gif]

Cheers on the new house, bro!