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#1 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2017, 5:59 pm

It seems week after week that Envoyer has been offering one cool Champagne after another. Just today, the Vilmart Cuvee Rubis '10. Earlier this week the Dehu and Perseval, which are both new to me. Godme last week, before that Marguet (which I have really fallen for and reloaded some more). Prior to that, the Vouette et Sorbee, which I know some of you already have experience with, yet I do not. And prior, the Pierre Gerbais, with that killer Extra Brut that is super.

So many cool things, my credit card is stinging and my bubbly inventory continues to expand. Love it. Envoyer is offering stuff consistently, at what are fair prices IMO and their service is excellent.

And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it. When the Envoyer crew writes up an offer and the critic junk is absent, it's a relief!
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2013 Vilmart & Cie Champagne Premier Cru Grand Cellier d'Or
2015 Kutch Sonoma Coast PN
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet Père et Fils Champagne La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay
2012 Savart Expression Nature Ecueil
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#2 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 1st, 2017, 6:03 pm

The Vouette is unique. I love it; others might not but it is a very individual wine.
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#3 Post by PaulMills » June 1st, 2017, 6:26 pm

Greg always has great selections. I have noticed that some offers are either staggered or do not go to the whole list. I believe in checked for all wine types per the website, so it is strange when I do not get some. Not that it matters much since there is no way I can buy it all.

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#4 Post by Corey N. » June 1st, 2017, 6:42 pm

Was the Dehu the Rue de Noyers? My friend/board member Doug opened that for me and I was blown away. Such a unique expression of champagne (100% Petit Verdot IIRC) and ridiculously tasty.
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#5 Post by etomasi » June 1st, 2017, 6:45 pm

For the growers, yeah. I wish I liked grower champagne better. I really prefer traditional houses. Some small exceptions here and there, but most I'm like meh.
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#6 Post by Russ Williams » June 1st, 2017, 7:01 pm

I've been trying very hard to slow my roll, but the '10 Vilmart Grand Cellier Rubis was just simply too hard to ignore. Damn you Greg.
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#7 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2017, 7:04 pm

Corey, yes, it was the Rue des Noyers. I picked up a couple. It's Pinot Meunier BTW, but I know what you meant. [thumbs-up.gif]

Russ, I feel your pain, brother. The price made me pause but given how good the NV Vilmart Rose is (and I went deep on that and have drank 2 so far [training.gif] ), I could not leave the Cuvee Rubis on the table. I wish I could have taken more but I have to live to a budget.
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2015 Kutch Sonoma Coast PN
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet Père et Fils Champagne La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay
2012 Savart Expression Nature Ecueil
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#8 Post by Corey N. » June 1st, 2017, 7:07 pm

Frank. Those should age well but suggest you pop one, with people you love, shortly after they arrive. It's ridiculously delicious.
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#9 Post by Russ Williams » June 1st, 2017, 7:17 pm

Isn't the Dehu zero dosage? Frank, I thought zero dosage was outside your wheelhouse.
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#10 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2017, 7:23 pm

Russ Williams wrote:Isn't the Dehu zero dosage? Frank, I thought zero dosage was outside your wheelhouse.
Russ, I would say it depends. Why? The Marguet Shaman changed my mind. That wine is zero dose and it drank like an Extra Brut, so good. This is why I reloaded it from Greg after the first bottle.

I think that the Dehu Noyers may have a little dose, but it's also pure Meunier so I want to give it a shot. Small plot, farmed cleanly, unique. Why not. Part of learning and it's far too easy for me to make a blanket remark when I have tried so few of them so far.
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#11 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2017, 7:24 pm

Corey N. wrote:Frank. Those should age well but suggest you pop one, with people you love, shortly after they arrive. It's ridiculously delicious.
Soon as the boat can get here and I can let the bottle rest for a bit, you bet I will.
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#12 Post by Keith Levenberg » June 1st, 2017, 8:03 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it.
Amen. Not just from them but everyone. So tiring.

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#13 Post by Craig G » June 1st, 2017, 8:17 pm

Keith Levenberg wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote:And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it.
Amen. Not just from them but everyone. So tiring.
Why would you want to remove information? I understand not wanting to see scores without notes, because that can be misleading. But if the score and the note are there, what's wrong with that?
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#14 Post by Kyle Schlachter » June 1st, 2017, 8:40 pm

Corey N. wrote:Was the Dehu the Rue de Noyers? My friend/board member Doug opened that for me and I was blown away. Such a unique expression of champagne (100% Petit Verdot IIRC) and ridiculously tasty.
Definitely not Petit Verdot. I think you mean Pinot Meunier.
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#15 Post by Keith Levenberg » June 1st, 2017, 8:53 pm

Craig G wrote:
Keith Levenberg wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote:And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it.
Amen. Not just from them but everyone. So tiring.
Why would you want to remove information? I understand not wanting to see scores without notes, because that can be misleading. But if the score and the note are there, what's wrong with that?
It's not information. It's noise, and it's the same grating, annoying noise over and over again.

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#16 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2017, 9:32 pm

Craig, I dislike the whole critical review system. I've made many posts in the past about how I feel about it, to include the whole business about selling wines based on points and allowing a small cadre of reviewers to drive the market. I dislike a lot but there isn't a damn thing I can do about it.

I respect Greg and Envoyer a lot for their pursuit and integrity in what they offer, the hard work they invest to bring these producers to my cellar. I am with Keith in that I wish I didn't have to see the clutter of the critics in the offers.
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#17 Post by M.Kaplan » June 1st, 2017, 9:38 pm

Keith Levenberg wrote: ...
It's not information. It's noise, and it's the same grating, annoying noise over and over again.
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#18 Post by Markus S » June 2nd, 2017, 4:41 am

Do they have better phone service yet?
Or does it still crap out?>
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#19 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 2nd, 2017, 5:22 am

Craig G wrote:
Keith Levenberg wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote:And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it.
Amen. Not just from them but everyone. So tiring.
Why would you want to remove information? I understand not wanting to see scores without notes, because that can be misleading. But if the score and the note are there, what's wrong with that?
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#20 Post by Scott Butler » June 2nd, 2017, 5:27 am

Frank Murray III wrote:Corey, yes, it was the Rue des Noyers. I picked up a couple. It's Pinot Meunier BTW, but I know what you meant. [thumbs-up.gif]

Russ, I feel your pain, brother. The price made me pause but given how good the NV Vilmart Rose is (and I went deep on that and have drank 2 so far [training.gif] ), I could not leave the Cuvee Rubis on the table. I wish I could have taken more but I have to live to a budget.
I've been obsessed with this Champange lately, also 100% Pinot Meunier...super delicious!

NV Laherte Frères Champagne Rosé de Meunier

https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp? ... 8f5a927f5f
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#21 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 2nd, 2017, 5:34 am

Scott Butler wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote:Corey, yes, it was the Rue des Noyers. I picked up a couple. It's Pinot Meunier BTW, but I know what you meant. [thumbs-up.gif]

Russ, I feel your pain, brother. The price made me pause but given how good the NV Vilmart Rose is (and I went deep on that and have drank 2 so far [training.gif] ), I could not leave the Cuvee Rubis on the table. I wish I could have taken more but I have to live to a budget.
I've been obsessed with this Champange lately, also 100% Pinot Meunier...super delicious!

NV Laherte Frères Champagne Rosé de Meunier

https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp? ... 8f5a927f5f
I'm a fan of the Laherte Freres champagnes generally, and yes that meunier rose has lots of personality. Love it!
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#22 Post by Scott Butler » June 2nd, 2017, 6:02 am

Neal, have you tried their Les Vignes d’Autrefois or La Troisième Vie? Also Pinot Meunier at higher price points. I have a bottle of each, though I've never tried either.
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#23 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 2nd, 2017, 6:16 am

Scott Butler wrote:Neal, have you tried their Les Vignes d’Autrefois or La Troisième Vie? Also Pinot Meunier at higher price points. I have a bottle of each, though I've never tried either.
No on the Autrefois but yes on the Troisieme. LOVED it
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#24 Post by Scott Butler » June 2nd, 2017, 6:18 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
Scott Butler wrote:Neal, have you tried their Les Vignes d’Autrefois or La Troisième Vie? Also Pinot Meunier at higher price points. I have a bottle of each, though I've never tried either.
No on the Autrefois but yes on the Troisieme. LOVED it
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#25 Post by mark rudner » June 2nd, 2017, 8:12 am

does anyone know if envoyer ships to ny?

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#26 Post by Frank Murray III » June 2nd, 2017, 9:30 am

Markus S wrote:Do they have better phone service yet?
Or does it still crap out?>
I can't speak to the past but I know the current automated system, where I call in and the record my name, I have had no problems with either Scott, Greg, Terry or Heaven picking up. I probably call once a month, maybe twice, and no issues.
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#27 Post by PaulMills » June 2nd, 2017, 3:34 pm

Scott Butler wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote:Corey, yes, it was the Rue des Noyers. I picked up a couple. It's Pinot Meunier BTW, but I know what you meant. [thumbs-up.gif]

Russ, I feel your pain, brother. The price made me pause but given how good the NV Vilmart Rose is (and I went deep on that and have drank 2 so far [training.gif] ), I could not leave the Cuvee Rubis on the table. I wish I could have taken more but I have to live to a budget.
I've been obsessed with this Champange lately, also 100% Pinot Meunier...super delicious!

NV Laherte Frères Champagne Rosé de Meunier

https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp? ... 8f5a927f5f


You should bring one to SWILL at the end of the month.

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#28 Post by Russ Williams » June 2nd, 2017, 6:00 pm

mark rudner wrote:does anyone know if envoyer ships to ny?
I'm sure they do. Send Greg an email.
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#29 Post by R Nanda » June 3rd, 2017, 6:32 am

A great run of Champagne offers. Greg and team are great to work with.
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#30 Post by Warren Taranow » June 3rd, 2017, 7:59 am

Frank Murray III wrote: So many cool things, my credit card is stinging and my bubbly inventory continues to expand. Love it. Envoyer is offering stuff consistently, at what are fair prices IMO and their service is excellent.
I'm feeling your pain and joy. My pending delivery report is dominated by champagne from Envoyer.

2006 Pierre Moncuit Grand Cru BdB
2013 Benoit Dehu Cuvée La Rue des Noyers Extra Brut
NV Hugues Godmé Grand Cru Rosé
2000 and 2002 Lanson Noble Cuvée BdB
I love the '00; My favorite for current consumption
2006 Taittinger Comtes Rosé Brut and 2006 Taittinger BdB Comtes (of course)
NV Paul Dethune Brut Rosé (My Rosé P/Q and reload champion)
NV Jose Dhondt Grand Cru Grande Reserve BdB (less than $30!)
NV Vilmart & Cie Cuvée Rubis
2012 Paul Bara Grand Cru Spécial Club Rosé
2012 Marie Courtin Allégeance Extra Bru
2009 Pierre Gimonnet Blanc de Blancs Brut Fleuron Magnum
NV Alexandre Filaine Cuvée Confidence
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2008 Robert Moncuit Grand Cru Grande BdB Brut
NV Christophe Mignon BdN Pur Meunier Brut Nature and Brut Rose


Now that I put this in writing and can see how much I've ordered, I'm done.

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#31 Post by Frank Murray III » June 3rd, 2017, 9:36 am

Warren, keep going, you can do it. Don't give up.

I forgot to mention the Etienne Calsac, which I also grabbed some of in the past couple weeks.

I drank a Vergnon Conversation last night, and I was not feeling it. Came off like a light version of 7-Up. Maybe I will like it more later when we finish it up but last night's couple of glasses left me in the rare place of not digging something I had bought from Envoyer.
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2012 Savart Expression Nature Ecueil
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#32 Post by Warren Taranow » June 14th, 2017, 12:27 pm

Recent offers of '04 Ruinart, Krug ('08 based), '06 Taittinger Comte...when will it end? I'm going to need a night job.

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#33 Post by Charlie Carnes » June 14th, 2017, 2:51 pm

Keith Levenberg wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote:And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it.
Amen. Not just from them but everyone. So tiring.
Gosh it gets so old. I am so jaded, I sometimes look at a high score as a negative... How sad is that?

Frank I need to hit up Envoyer...
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#34 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » June 14th, 2017, 2:56 pm

The Comtes offer was amazing

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#35 Post by Ben Sherwin » June 14th, 2017, 3:52 pm

Russ Williams wrote:
mark rudner wrote:does anyone know if envoyer ships to ny?
I'm sure they do. Send Greg an email.
I just got an auto-response: "Unfortunatly we are not allowed to ship to your state." A little creepy they know where I am and what I was thinking.
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#36 Post by Rich Brown » June 14th, 2017, 4:50 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:The Comtes offer was amazing
Not that I should even be thinking about signing up for another offer/ list....but out of curiosity....what was the price on the Comtes?

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#37 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 14th, 2017, 4:55 pm

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#38 Post by Rich Brown » June 14th, 2017, 10:12 pm

Yeah.....thats silly good.

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#39 Post by Mike Maguire » June 15th, 2017, 11:15 am

Customer service is top notch. [cheers.gif]

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#40 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 15th, 2017, 11:16 am

Warren Taranow wrote:
Frank Murray III wrote: So many cool things, my credit card is stinging and my bubbly inventory continues to expand. Love it. Envoyer is offering stuff consistently, at what are fair prices IMO and their service is excellent.
I'm feeling your pain and joy. My pending delivery report is dominated by champagne from Envoyer.

2006 Pierre Moncuit Grand Cru BdB
2013 Benoit Dehu Cuvée La Rue des Noyers Extra Brut
NV Hugues Godmé Grand Cru Rosé
2000 and 2002 Lanson Noble Cuvée BdB
I love the '00; My favorite for current consumption
2006 Taittinger Comtes Rosé Brut and 2006 Taittinger BdB Comtes (of course)
NV Paul Dethune Brut Rosé (My Rosé P/Q and reload champion)
NV Jose Dhondt Grand Cru Grande Reserve BdB (less than $30!)
NV Vilmart & Cie Cuvée Rubis
2012 Paul Bara Grand Cru Spécial Club Rosé
2012 Marie Courtin Allégeance Extra Bru
2009 Pierre Gimonnet Blanc de Blancs Brut Fleuron Magnum
NV Alexandre Filaine Cuvée Confidence
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2008 Robert Moncuit Grand Cru Grande BdB Brut
NV Christophe Mignon BdN Pur Meunier Brut Nature and Brut Rose


Now that I put this in writing and can see how much I've ordered, I'm done.

Cheers,

Warren
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#41 Post by Howard Cooper » June 15th, 2017, 5:22 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
And finally, while I love Envoyer and the gang there, I wish they would remove the scores and critical reviews from their offers. Over and over with the scores and the critic's initials....I'm just fatigued with all of it. When the Envoyer crew writes up an offer and the critic junk is absent, it's a relief!
Greg has a lot of producers whose wines I have never tasted before. I like having the tasting notes, etc., to gauge the styles of the wines so I can narrow down which ones I want to try from the ones I pass on. Yes, if he is offering Krug, or Mugneret-Gibourg or Hudelot-Noellat, a lot of the tasting notes are noise, but not with a lot of other producers.
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#42 Post by Robert M yers » June 15th, 2017, 7:32 pm

Ben Sherwin wrote:
Russ Williams wrote:
mark rudner wrote:does anyone know if envoyer ships to ny?
I'm sure they do. Send Greg an email.
I just got an auto-response: "Unfortunatly we are not allowed to ship to your state." A little creepy they know where I am and what I was thinking.
Same here, but I've never had a retailer tell me they can't ship to Ohio?

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#43 Post by Jim Friedman » June 16th, 2017, 7:09 am

Robert:

Call them. You never know.

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#44 Post by Robert M yers » June 18th, 2017, 8:04 am

I contacted them and indeed that error message was a mistake, anybody else who got that rejection might want to reach out to them as well.

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#45 Post by Warren Taranow » June 28th, 2017, 11:24 pm

2008 Paul Bara should be very good...
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#46 Post by Dennis Atick » July 4th, 2017, 8:31 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:The Comtes offer was amazing
It's back champagne.gif
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#47 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 4th, 2017, 8:51 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:The Comtes offer was amazing
It's back champagne.gif
Today only!
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#48 Post by Dale Bowers » July 4th, 2017, 10:25 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
Dennis Atick wrote:
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:The Comtes offer was amazing
It's back champagne.gif
Today only!
All I see is $279 ?????
Cheers!

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#49 Post by Blake Brown » July 4th, 2017, 10:57 am

Envoyer was referred to me by a good friend, Patrick Will, currently a VP of Brand Management & Development
at Ventus.

I agree, the 06` Taittinger CDC offer was a good one at $106 and since I`ve bought many from JJ Buckley at the same price, i pass on getting more in favour of loading up on the 08`.

For me, the greatest find was they carry LeGras who makes the house bubbly for La Tour d`Argent in Paris. I love the Brut and Brut Rose and invariably order one or both during visits to LTdA and their sister restaurant, Rotisserie across the street as well as buying some in the gift shop for the stay in Paris and subsequent travels in Europe.

Also, I only have email contact, but find all who communicate to be very helpful and friendly.
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#50 Post by bryan c » July 4th, 2017, 11:25 am

Dale Bowers wrote: All I see is $279 ?????
Gotta get on their email list as these offers usually go out via the email.
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