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#1 Post by Cameron Hughes » January 20th, 2017, 11:50 am

I kinda like this one for keeping reds (I guess whites too) for a couple days...the oxygen intro in the simple act of pouring the wine won't allow much more it seems to me...not a huge fan of the plastic but understand the utility of it...I do have to say the guy should have changed his shirt in the video in between the "one hour later" and "a few days" later segments.

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#2 Post by Tom Gibson » January 20th, 2017, 11:58 am

I mean, how much air actually incorporates into a wine after it's just sitting (the limited air in the space in the bottle) versus the O2 that actually incorporated during the decanting process? I suspect wine would taste about the same day 2 in the original bottle versus this one.

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#3 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 20th, 2017, 12:44 pm

This looks ridiculous to me. You pour your wine into this 'bottle', thereby exposing it to massive amounts of oxygen in the process, then thereafter it's supposed to help because of the limited exposure (AFTER you already exposed it all to oxygen)?
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#4 Post by Nolan E » January 20th, 2017, 12:54 pm

By all rules of the English language, it should be pronounced 'kick-vin.'
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#5 Post by Cameron Hughes » January 20th, 2017, 4:47 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:This looks ridiculous to me. You pour your wine into this 'bottle', thereby exposing it to massive amounts of oxygen in the process, then thereafter it's supposed to help because of the limited exposure (AFTER you already exposed it all to oxygen)?
I'm no scientist but I think there is probably a substantial difference in O2 uptake from a pour versus a pour with continuous exposure to O2. If the plastic wasn't so, umm, plasticky, it would be good way to preserve wines for a tasting room.

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#6 Post by Tom Gibson » January 20th, 2017, 5:16 pm

So a traditional neck space on a bottle of wine has 2.8ml of oxygen. Undisturbed oxygen to wine transfer occurs at a rate of 20ml per hour per square foot. Figure the neck surface area of wine is about 1 square inch, or 1/144 * 20ml/hr = 0.13ml/hr oxygen transfer. Or it'll take 21 hours to completely integrate 2.8ml of oxygen at room temp.

Decanting adds about 5ml of oxygen to wine immediately, or it'd take almost two full days of wine being open (uncorked) to equal the what the guy is doing in this product. Not sure if I interpreted this paper super well (and it doesn't appear peer reviewed) but it makes sense based on my own experience.

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#7 Post by Tom Gibson » January 20th, 2017, 5:22 pm

A one way, airtight valve you could screw into the top of a newly opened wine would do what this thing is trying to do without the full decant. It'd limit the air entering a bottle but, by the laws of hydrodynamics, some air will be entering in through the vacuum created by wine exiting the bottle, even through a self closing spout.

I suspect this will be a dud, but there are a lot of backers already. Selling the dream!

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#8 Post by Scott Wi3gand » January 21st, 2017, 8:32 am

Nolan E wrote:By all rules of the English language, it should be pronounced 'kick-vin.'
I agree with you in principle, however the rules of language break down when it comes to names. Usually product names are exempt for marketing reasons, but business owners can be just as reckless as parents with naming their babies. If "L-A" (pronounced "La Dasha", though again rules would dictate this should be "La Hyphen Uh" if we are going to pronounce punctuation) can be allowed as a name, then shouldn't this short sighted product name get a pass too?

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#9 Post by Nolan E » January 21st, 2017, 9:00 am

People can pronounce and spell things however they want but I'll still go to sleep knowing they're idiots.
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#10 Post by Scott Wi3gand » January 21st, 2017, 11:11 am

Nolan E wrote:People can pronounce and spell things however they want but I'll still go to sleep knowing they're idiots.
I agree with you on that!

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#11 Post by Andrew Morris » January 21st, 2017, 11:19 am

If you argon or N2 the thing before pouring the bottle in it might help a lot. Also, pouring slowly, so it does not "glug" in the original bottle would likely help too. Details make a difference on these sorts of things.
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#12 Post by calauber » January 21st, 2017, 12:31 pm

Pump the air out using Vacuvin, put it in the fridge (red or white). Take it out next day or two and put it in lukewarm water for 15 minutes. Voila! The most nearly-perfect system I've run across.
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#13 Post by PeterJ » January 22nd, 2017, 12:20 am

Andrew Morris wrote:If you argon or N2 the thing before pouring the bottle in it might help a lot.
Viewing the video I was wondering if all the air could be exiting via their one-way valve. What's your theory here? Wouldn't the Argon or N2 either be forced out in the same way as the air, or partially forced to mix into the wine to some degree (which is my thinking about the air as well)?
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#14 Post by Sebastian C. » January 22nd, 2017, 4:34 am

calauber wrote:Pump the air out using Vacuvin, put it in the fridge (red or white). Take it out next day or two and put it in lukewarm water for 15 minutes. Voila! The most nearly-perfect system I've run across.
Air pumps dont work. You leave tons of oxygen left behind.
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#15 Post by jhemming » January 22nd, 2017, 6:41 am

From what I have come to learn for the numerous previous threads and personal experience, there is no perfect system. I either use Pungo or immediately pour into smaller screw cap bottle (375 or 275) and chuck it into the fridge.
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#16 Post by John Morris » March 22nd, 2018, 12:22 pm

Sebastian C. wrote:
calauber wrote:Pump the air out using Vacuvin, put it in the fridge (red or white). Take it out next day or two and put it in lukewarm water for 15 minutes. Voila! The most nearly-perfect system I've run across.
Air pumps dont work. You leave tons of oxygen left behind.
I'm reviving this old thread because the topic of Vacu Vin comes up from time to time. My experience is like Sebastian's -- pumping kills the aromas of a wine. Today I stumbled on an explanation of why that is in a paper that Jamie Goode wrote for a somms' association:
[T]he Vacu Vin, uses specialized rubber stoppers and a pump to suck air out of the bottle, creating a partial vacuum. In practice, this method is disappointing for two reasons. First, the pump is likely to remove dissolved carbon dioxide and thus strip aromatic components from the wine, affecting its flavor. Second, the wine will have already absorbed oxygen during the process of opening and pouring—enough to cause significant oxidation over the succeeding few days.
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#17 Post by Rich Brown » March 25th, 2020, 7:27 am

Hope everyone is staying happy and healthy!

Bumping this thread to see if anyone has actually tried the Qikvin. A buddy of mine (casual wine drinker) sent me the link to the product and asked if it worked/was worth getting, so any first-hand feedback would be appreciated :)

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#18 Post by David Glasser » March 25th, 2020, 2:55 pm

No personal experience but I am skeptical based on the oxygen exposure during decanting. Send him a 4-pack of Repour to try first. It’s worked great for me for a few days. And it’s qiker to use.

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#19 Post by Rich Brown » March 25th, 2020, 3:08 pm

David Glasser wrote:
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No personal experience but I am skeptical based on the oxygen exposure during decanting. Send him a 4-pack of Repour to try first. It’s worked great for me for a few days. And it’s qiker to use.
That's probably a good call on the repour. Thought about Coravin at first but it's too pricey for the usage he'd get out of it. He liked the idea of Qikvin as it seems easy to use , cost efficient, and he only has to buy one.

If nobody else has tried it here, I'll mention repour. Thanks!

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#20 Post by Wes Barton » March 25th, 2020, 7:03 pm

Cameron Hughes wrote:
January 20th, 2017, 4:47 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:This looks ridiculous to me. You pour your wine into this 'bottle', thereby exposing it to massive amounts of oxygen in the process, then thereafter it's supposed to help because of the limited exposure (AFTER you already exposed it all to oxygen)?
I'm no scientist but I think there is probably a substantial difference in O2 uptake from a pour versus a pour with continuous exposure to O2. If the plastic wasn't so, umm, plasticky, it would be good way to preserve wines for a tasting room.
This system is similar to the Wine Squirrel, which is glass. More elegant looking cylinder, not trying to look like a cheap plastic wine bottle.

The solution to the O2 problem is siphoning. An assist with inert gas wouldn't hurt. I had that problem with the half-bottle method - the natural choice in thee aulden dayes for very old wines. Despite immediate very gentle pouring through a funnel into a tilted bottle, corking and into the fridge, some of these would be shot a couple days later. Siphoning works.

I definitely like the idea of variable container plus siphoning.
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#21 Post by David Glasser » March 26th, 2020, 6:27 am

Siphoning sounds like too much work, but maybe because I’m unfamiliar with doing it. I guess it’s just one tube to clean. And the Qikvin container once empty.

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#22 Post by Keith Levenberg » March 26th, 2020, 10:48 am

Really wish we could replace all these silly wine preservation gadgets with wider adoption of 375ml and 500ml bottles.

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#23 Post by Wes Barton » March 26th, 2020, 2:08 pm

David Glasser wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 6:27 am
Siphoning sounds like too much work, but maybe because I’m unfamiliar with doing it. I guess it’s just one tube to clean. And the Qikvin container once empty.
It's easy. I have jars of left over PBW wine equipment cleaner under the sink. A home winemaking size of that or equivalent product is cheap. A big roll of oxygen tubing is cheap. Cut a section just long enough. To clean, just rinse it out. Then draw up the solution most of the way, thumb over to stop it flowing out. Bring the low end high so the solution runs down and coats the other end. Back and forth a bit. Get some over the outside that touched wine. Rinse out and hang up so the ends hang down.

I only do that occasionally, but it's good to have as an option.
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#24 Post by David Glasser » March 26th, 2020, 4:42 pm

Thanks Wes. You are a reliable font of useful knowledge.

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