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#101 Post by T. Altmayer » October 13th, 2016, 10:30 am

JeromeHan wrote:Not a pure syrah, but I do enjoy Tablas Creek a lot.
That's a good call. And their syrah, at least in 2013, was 100% syrah.
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#102 Post by M Hudson » October 13th, 2016, 1:31 pm

Scott Watkins wrote:Only had it a couple of times but Arcadian Syrah Hommage à Max was quite savory also La Clarine.

my got to syrah (arcadian) in general.

Followed by Copain Bedrock, and Halcon

I have to say if you are in the wine club for arcadian and catch the typical summer syrah sale, there is no better qpr for syrah going in my opinion.
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#103 Post by Stewart Johnson » October 13th, 2016, 3:11 pm

Drew syrah (Valenti, I think) knocked me out at the W&'S Top 100 tasting a couple days ago. That's the second year in a row that it has been a standout in a pretty stellar lineup. It was odd tasting it back to back with Guigal's wildly oaky Cote Rotie. Blind, I would have called Drew the Cote Rote with a lot of misplaced confidence.
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#104 Post by Loren Sonkin » October 13th, 2016, 3:43 pm

Agree with the Halcon recs. Disclaimer we use Halcon in our Unmasked, but we are riper than most from Halcon so if I get your gist, you might want Copain, Wilde Farms and Halcon, which are more "savory" if I interpret that term correctly. Also, Campesino makes a great Syrah which should fit your bill.
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#105 Post by Daniel Moritz » October 19th, 2016, 12:39 pm

This was a great thread. I love more savory syrah, especially northern rhone. I'm surprised I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the thread but Ojai Vineyard is making some really great syrah that fits the flavor profile.
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#106 Post by Mike Curran » October 22nd, 2016, 12:50 pm

Daniel Moritz wrote:This was a great thread. I love more savory syrah, especially northern rhone. I'm surprised I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the thread but Ojai Vineyard is making some really great syrah that fits the flavor profile.
I agree with you Daniel and was going to suggest it as well. Living in MA I have limited availability to Ojai so I don't know how they're doing now. Years ago I scored a bunch of 2003 Ojai Melville and to this day it is the most bacon-y syrah I've had.

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#107 Post by Mike Curran » October 22nd, 2016, 1:55 pm

larry schaffer wrote:Blake,

You sure you are not Jim Clendenon in disguise?!?!? :-)

Yep, Jim does make some wonderful wines, but I never thought of him as a 'rhone' guy - but heck, what do I know?!?!

Another one to to check out, if you want that Cote Rotie style, would be Foxen - their Toasted Rope normally has up to 20% viognier and is usually well-liked, and they offer at least one other 100% syrah.

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Larry, depending on the vintage Foxen also blends viognier into their Tinaquaic syrah. We had the 2010 the night before we stopped by your place. It had 4% viognier, 40% new oak, no stem inclusion. It wasn't exactly the style I'm after but it's pretty tasty stuff.

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#108 Post by Alan Rath » October 22nd, 2016, 7:35 pm

Just tasted the 2013 Copain Brosseau Syrah today. Not sure I'd call it savory, but definitely very N Rhone-ish, with lots of boysenberry/pomegranate notes, great acidity, mouthwatering wine.
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#109 Post by Eric S n y d e r » October 22nd, 2016, 7:51 pm

Mike Curran wrote:
larry schaffer wrote:Blake,

You sure you are not Jim Clendenon in disguise?!?!? :-)

Yep, Jim does make some wonderful wines, but I never thought of him as a 'rhone' guy - but heck, what do I know?!?!

Another one to to check out, if you want that Cote Rotie style, would be Foxen - their Toasted Rope normally has up to 20% viognier and is usually well-liked, and they offer at least one other 100% syrah.

Cheers
Larry, depending on the vintage Foxen also blends viognier into their Tinaquaic syrah. We had the 2010 the night before we stopped by your place. It had 4% viognier, 40% new oak, no stem inclusion. It wasn't exactly the style I'm after but it's pretty tasty stuff.
Agreed, Foxen Syrah is pretty tasty, including the Toasted Rope, but probably not the style the OP is after.

Enjoying a 2013 Williamson-Dore right now... so far, in my top 3 favorite all time Foxen wines!

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#110 Post by R. Gaston » October 22nd, 2016, 9:12 pm

Daniel Moritz wrote:This was a great thread. I love more savory syrah, especially northern rhone. I'm surprised I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the thread but Ojai Vineyard is making some really great syrah that fits the flavor profile.
Was at the tasting room today. They pulled amazing library wines...'96 Roll Ranch, '92 Thompson and '02 Santa Barbara along with current '14's...all are drinking great. Some savory and some with a punch. I don't judge...just great wines and an amazing portfolio throughout. Feel very lucky to have them down the street.
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#111 Post by Blake Brown » October 23rd, 2016, 12:25 am

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Daniel Moritz wrote:This was a great thread. I love more savory syrah, especially northern rhone. I'm surprised I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the thread but Ojai Vineyard is making some really great syrah that fits the flavor profile.
Was at the tasting room today. They pulled amazing library wines...'96 Roll Ranch, '92 Thompson and '02 Santa Barbara along with current '14's...all are drinking great. Some savory and some with a punch. I don't judge...just great wines and an amazing portfolio throughout. Feel very lucky to have them down the street.
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#112 Post by dsGriswold » October 29th, 2016, 8:30 pm

  • 2010 Cabot Vineyards Syrah Klamath Cuvée - USA, California, North Coast, Humboldt County (10/29/2016)
    Inky dark purple with savory nose of olive and pimento. Dry with some bold fruit, but having a nice amount of acid and tannins to maintain control and balance. Meaty in both flavor and intensity, red and blue berries, more grilled than roast beef flavors with some iodine. Very yummy after a couple days open. This would be my definition of savory syrah to answer the Berserker question. Enjoy, John is definitely on his game, fruity and bright. (93 pts.)
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#113 Post by Jake Rubash » January 5th, 2017, 8:09 pm

Reviving this thread to post about a wine that is exactly what I was looking for: 2013 Gargantua California Syrah.

Meaty and restrained with some killer aromatics. Dead ringer for a great Northern Rhone. Did a search and didn't see if it had been posted about before. It's a side project of Josh Bergström. Certainly worth checking out!
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#114 Post by Drew Goin » January 5th, 2017, 9:29 pm

Zaca Mesa should cover the style requested by the OP.

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#115 Post by Rich Salsano » January 6th, 2017, 3:34 am

Likely mentioned many times already but Halcon, Joseph Swan, Cabot, Lagier Merdedith are the ones that come to mind immediately.
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#116 Post by Seo S a l i m i » January 6th, 2017, 7:25 am

As someone who drinks ALOT of Bedrock, I actually dont think it falls into the "savory" category, with the exception of the North Coast/Sonoma Coast bottlings. I think the balance are more fruit forward. Different palates, I guess. I would say the same about Myriad/Quivet. Again, I view those producers as fruit forward.

I would definitely second Lagier Meredith -- just awesome stuff there. Cabot is another savory producer that I would recommend. Almost too savory for my tastes (almost).

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#117 Post by J e s s e C » January 6th, 2017, 1:38 pm

peay la bruma (especially 2007) is what immediately comes to mind.
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#118 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 6th, 2017, 2:18 pm

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#119 Post by calauber » January 7th, 2017, 12:04 pm

It's really making me question my tasting sensibilities and my sanity that Jaffurs hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Had their Bien Nacido, Ampelos or Santa Barbara County Syrahs recently? And Upslope, even at $75 per, competes with the finest of Northern Rhones.
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#120 Post by Scott Silton » January 8th, 2017, 4:35 pm

Carlisle Syrahs are not especially savory. Neither are Bedrock's, at least in comparison to Wind Gap and Arnot-Roberts and Halcon.

Does anyone have an aged Pax Majik vineyard? That stuff was liquid ash in its youth. Not sure what it would evolve into but probably a good benchmark for the far side of savory.

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#121 Post by Michael Martin » January 8th, 2017, 5:20 pm

calauber wrote:It's really making me question my tasting sensibilities and my sanity that Jaffurs hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Had their Bien Nacido, Ampelos or Santa Barbara County Syrahs recently? And Upslope, even at $75 per, competes with the finest of Northern Rhones.
I will agree with you on specific vintages of the Ampelos and the Bien Nacido. The SBC is generally more fruit forward and I wouldn't put it in the savory camp. Upslope is also vintage to vintage. Some savory, some not, but always one of my favorite wines right up there with more expensive wines like Saxum and Alban.
Jaffurs by the way won't be making anymore Ampelos. Drink it/buy it while you can.
I just had the '11 last night and it was awesome.

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#122 Post by T Welch » January 8th, 2017, 5:27 pm

Rich Salsano wrote:Likely mentioned many times already but Halcon, Joseph Swan, Cabot, Lagier Merdedith are the ones that come to mind immediately.
I'm sure Carole Meredith would appreciate her name being spelled correctly. [snort.gif]
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#123 Post by David_K » January 9th, 2017, 6:11 am

I had a 2013 Ramey Syrah Sonoma Coast last night, and despite having plenty of fruit, was quite savory with real Syrah typicity and good energy. Was impressed.
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#124 Post by Rich Brown » February 2nd, 2017, 5:06 pm

Drinking the 2010 Joseph Swan Great Oak Vineyard Syrah right now, and it's really, really good.

I wouldn't say it's the most savory syrah I've ever had.....but it walks a perfect line between the clean red and blue fruit and what I would describe as 'savory'......all with a perfect shot of acidity that keeps it very fresh and very enjoyable to drink.

$30 at the retail/wine bar I'm at right now, this is a slam dunk.

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#125 Post by Alan Rath » February 6th, 2017, 11:09 am

Drank a 2005 Peay Les Titans over the weekend. Perhaps the most savory, herbal (and fascinating) Syrah I've had from California.
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#126 Post by Brian Tuite » February 6th, 2017, 11:44 am

T Welch wrote:
Rich Salsano wrote:Likely mentioned many times already but Halcon, Joseph Swan, Cabot, Lagier Merdedith are the ones that come to mind immediately.
I'm sure Carole Meredith would appreciate her name being spelled correctly. [snort.gif]
Adds to the savory angle.
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#127 Post by S. Stevenson » February 6th, 2017, 1:26 pm

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#128 Post by Jake Rubash » July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm

Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!

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#129 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » July 31st, 2020, 5:02 pm

Jake Rubash wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm
Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!
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#130 Post by Jake Rubash » July 31st, 2020, 5:09 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 5:02 pm
Jake Rubash wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm
Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!
It took you 4 years and a pandemic to get back to us? [snort.gif]
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#131 Post by Max S. » July 31st, 2020, 5:40 pm

Jake Rubash wrote:
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Better late than never? 🤷🏻‍♂️😅
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#132 Post by J. Rock » August 1st, 2020, 9:09 am

I recently had a 1999 Kongsgaard Syrah and thought is was really excellent. Super complex wine with a surprising (to me) amount of life left, and I think it's still on the way up. Tons of savory/earthy notes along with a lot of black fruit. Highly recommended.
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#133 Post by Brian Tuite » August 1st, 2020, 10:06 am

Jake Rubash wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm
Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!
You need to venture to Las Madres Vineyard:
Myriad
Quivet
Apsara
Belharra
Benevolent Neglect
Eric Kent

Same fruit lots of different takes, all savory, delicious wines.
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#134 Post by larry schaffer » August 1st, 2020, 10:13 am

You find the Andremily savory? Not something I would normally hear . . .
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#135 Post by Jake Rubash » August 1st, 2020, 10:15 am

Brian Tuite wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 10:06 am
Jake Rubash wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm
Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!
You need to venture to Las Madres Vineyard:
Myriad
Quivet
Apsara
Belharra
Benevolent Neglect
Eric Kent

Same fruit lots of different takes, all savory, delicious wines.
We are definitely big fans of Mike Smith’s Syrahs (and his wines in general!) but will be sure to check out the others! Thanks Brian!

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#136 Post by Lee Short » August 1st, 2020, 11:09 am

+1 for Cabot, Edmunds St John, Cowan Cellars. Let me add Briceland.

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#137 Post by Kirk.Grant » August 1st, 2020, 11:30 am

Jake Rubash wrote:
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We are typically California Syrah drinkers but our palates have shifted from wanting big fruit with some savory elements to wanting savory elements with some fruit. We have tried a few aged N. Rhones that have given us exactly that. Is there a producer in the US that has been able to make a meaty, herbal Syrah? Cayuse and company (No Girls, Horsepower, etc) have proven to be a little too funky for us so that might limit some recommendations...
Others have said ESJ and I'd certainly say that's a great place to start. The '99s still have a ton of youth, so I'd look for some older bottles.
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#138 Post by Mark E. » August 1st, 2020, 12:26 pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 10:06 am
Jake Rubash wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm
Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!
You need to venture to Las Madres Vineyard:
Myriad
Quivet
Apsara
Belharra
Benevolent Neglect
Eric Kent

Same fruit lots of different takes, all savory, delicious wines.
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#139 Post by Peter Valiquette » August 1st, 2020, 6:46 pm

Arnot-Roberts Syrah Que Syrah Vineyard is a pretty solid bet for savory Syrah.

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#140 Post by Mark Lewis » August 1st, 2020, 9:29 pm

I just had a lovely Red Car Syrah tonight, very Northern Rhône meaty and savoury style.

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#141 Post by Steve Costigan » August 2nd, 2020, 6:52 am

A great thread. Glad you found some matching your preferred style. Noted early on Cayuse and Reynvaan were a little too funky for your palate but I’m surprised other posters haven’t gone back to WA because there are some great savory syrahs made in different styles. K Vintners makes a range different Syrahs all worth checking out and they seems to be getting better and better over time. Also, look for Syrah from Red Willow, Boushey or Lewis vineyards, all higher elevation cooler Yakima valley which can offer great meaty/gamey complexity. Betz (la serenne, cote patriarche), Trust, Va Piano are a few examples. Enjoy

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#142 Post by MikeL238 » August 2nd, 2020, 8:10 am

Jake Rubash wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 4:46 pm
Bumping this thread because

#1 this was awesome and had some really good recommendations

#2 we finally got around to ordering and trying some of the recs during COVID

Wines we've ordered and tried within the past couple weeks:

2013 Ojai Syrah Special Bottling Solomon Hills Vineyard
2007 Peay Vineyards Syrah Les Titans
2013 Ramey Syrah Rodgers Creek Vineyard
2016 Piedrasassi Syrah Rim Rock
2012 Joseph Swan Vineyards Syrah Great Oak Vineyard

You guys killed it and these were all fantastic. The Piedrasassi really stood out as being something extraordinary. One of our favorite domestic Syrahs is Andremily and this was in the same vein with less extracted fruit and a more animalistic style. Killer stuff for $50!
I would think Andremily is far from being 'savory'. Isn't it more like SQN-big and fruity?
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Re: Where to look for a savory domestic Syrah

#143 Post by MikeL238 » August 2nd, 2020, 8:10 am

larry schaffer wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 10:13 am
You find the Andremily savory? Not something I would normally hear . . .
Exactly my thought...pretty interesting.
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Re: Where to look for a savory domestic Syrah

#144 Post by markjchambers » August 2nd, 2020, 8:51 am

OP said Cayuse was too funky. I find Reynvaan to be similar, but both are better with some age and much better when decanted for at least a day. That gets rid of the funk and leaves you with a savory wine.

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Re: Where to look for a savory domestic Syrah

#145 Post by Jake Rubash » August 2nd, 2020, 9:06 am

MikeL238 wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:10 am
larry schaffer wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 10:13 am
You find the Andremily savory? Not something I would normally hear . . .
Exactly my thought...pretty interesting.
Sorry, wasn’t referencing Andremily as savory, just as one of favorites.

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Re: Where to look for a savory domestic Syrah

#146 Post by Ron Slye » August 2nd, 2020, 2:10 pm

markjchambers wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:51 am
OP said Cayuse was too funky. I find Reynvaan to be similar, but both are better with some age and much better when decanted for at least a day. That gets rid of the funk and leaves you with a savory wine.
My experience with Cayuse is similar. This may vary with vintage and specific wine, but my impression is that after about five years the funk has settled down and starts to nicely integrate and take more of a supporting, rather than dominant, role. I have recently had some excellent Cayuse syrahs from the early 2000s -- I don't recall the funk being that evident, and suspect the flavor profile may be appealing to the OP.

Circling back to the WA possibilities, Rotie is getting better every year, and is still in a less than $50 price range.

One other that I am sure has been mentioned but which I have recently discovered and really enjoy is Halcon. Very impressive wines, and priced extremely well.

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Re: Where to look for a savory domestic Syrah

#147 Post by Frank Murray III » August 2nd, 2020, 6:55 pm

Not sure if anyone mentioned Model Farm yet so let me add that one, too. They should be releasing their 2018 in the next few weeks. Based on the 2017 we had last weekend, which was fantastic for my palate, I plan to keep buying and will do that with the 2018.

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2012 Minière F & R Champagne Influence Brut
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2014 Laherte Frères Champagne BdB EB Les Grands Crayeres

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