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#1 Post by Warren Taranow » September 6th, 2016, 12:00 pm

2012 BdB Charles Heinz Vineyard
2012 BdN Charles Heinz Vineyard
and a 2014 still Pinot Noir Heinz Vineyard

No Saignée Rosé

The release notes that the '12's are "more generous and broad" than previous vintages, while the acidity remains high.

It sounds like these will have less of previous vintages' austerity and high acid-to-fruit ratio that C. Fu, B. Baker and others found off putting, while maintaining the edgy raciness, cut and minerality many of us loved. I'm looking forward to trying them.

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#2 Post by SeanHarding » September 6th, 2016, 12:07 pm

I guess it's open only to previous purchasers now? The email I got said September 8th.

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#3 Post by Dennis Atick » September 6th, 2016, 12:36 pm

Been buying Ultramarine/Cruse for a while now. My last email said it would open Sep. 8.
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#4 Post by P. D e r d e y n » September 6th, 2016, 1:12 pm

I've purchased since the first release and I also got an email saying the release opens on 9/8. One thing that was quite confusing though is that it says the wines are offered on an allocation, but then it also says they are first come first serve.

Anyone have thoughts on the still wine?
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#5 Post by T. Altmayer » September 6th, 2016, 1:27 pm

I'm conflicted. I enjoyed the Rose, but the BdB was not good to me. Not sure if it was an off year for that bottling, anyone have more experience with the wines?
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#6 Post by Rob Isaacs » September 6th, 2016, 1:29 pm

I've been buying since the first release and I was offered all three, took the full allocation. It seemed to me that if you bought before you would have two days to purchase, after that it was first come first served. No idea about the still wine, the picture of it on the purchase page has a cork with a cage on it. All three pics could be the same wine though.

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#7 Post by J.Ittmann » September 6th, 2016, 2:22 pm

I bought a 6 pack first release and a case last year. September 8 for me. Odd...
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#8 Post by Rob Isaacs » September 6th, 2016, 2:30 pm

I've only bought a 6 pack each release and got my allocation email at 12:29 today.

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#9 Post by Nate Simon » September 6th, 2016, 6:07 pm

Hm, no email here. I've bought in the past, but can't find a way to log in via the site. Will hope for notification soon.

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#10 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 6th, 2016, 7:25 pm

Took what was offered, enjoy these.
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#11 Post by A. So » September 6th, 2016, 7:42 pm

All-in.
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#12 Post by Peter Petersen » September 6th, 2016, 8:19 pm

Have not tried these but will likely pass as Limerick Lane and MACDONALD are coming soon.
Comparisons to Under The Wire? I found the UTW chard from the initial vintage to be quite good.

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#13 Post by scamhi » September 7th, 2016, 5:55 am

Nate Simon wrote:Hm, no email here. I've bought in the past, but can't find a way to log in via the site. Will hope for notification soon.
no email for me too.
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scamhi wrote:
Nate Simon wrote:Hm, no email here. I've bought in the past, but can't find a way to log in via the site. Will hope for notification soon.
no email for me too.
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#15 Post by H.Y. S e o » September 8th, 2016, 7:48 am

I have been buying since the 1st vintage. Ummm... Interesting
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#16 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 8th, 2016, 7:53 am

Re-checked the "save the date" email. Says the offer will come out today, September 8th. Looks like some folks got an early peek.

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#17 Post by AlbertH » September 8th, 2016, 8:04 am

As long as I still have an allocation, I'm not worried.... for those with the early view, what was the allocation and pricing this vintage?

Curious about the coteaux champenois release as well, and sad no more rose.
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#18 Post by Peter Petersen » September 8th, 2016, 8:18 am

Maybe it'll sell out before it is released ;)

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#19 Post by A. So » September 8th, 2016, 8:27 am

AlbertH wrote:As long as I still have an allocation, I'm not worried.... for those with the early view, what was the allocation and pricing this vintage?

Curious about the coteaux champenois release as well, and sad no more rose.
I got 5/5/2 of 12 BdB/12 BdN/14 PN at $55/55/40.
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#20 Post by Jake Rubash » September 8th, 2016, 9:39 am

Yay! Got some!

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#21 Post by etomasi » September 8th, 2016, 9:45 am

managed to grab 2 each of the sparkler. Could only wishlist the still wine, but didnt try.

I was a touch annoyed at $40 shipping on 4 bottles.
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#22 Post by AlbertH » September 8th, 2016, 10:08 am

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AlbertH wrote:As long as I still have an allocation, I'm not worried.... for those with the early view, what was the allocation and pricing this vintage?

Curious about the coteaux champenois release as well, and sad no more rose.
I got 5/5/2 of 12 BdB/12 BdN/14 PN at $55/55/40.

Thanks for the info! came out of a meeting to see the offer e-mail. did 3/3/1 which was my allocation and wishlisted an additional pinot noir. Seeing as I haven't even touched the case of last year's release, I figured I'll stick with what Michael offered me :)

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#23 Post by PrestonS » September 8th, 2016, 10:20 am

Took two of each sparkling.
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#24 Post by JeromeHan » September 8th, 2016, 10:35 am

I had been waiting for these for a while and finally got on the email list. Only took 2 of the BdB though.

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#25 Post by Lee Wesner » September 8th, 2016, 10:37 am

What time did you get the ordering link? Think I'm having some problems with my email filter...

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#26 Post by SeanHarding » September 8th, 2016, 10:43 am

I got it about an hour ago.

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#27 Post by JeromeHan » September 8th, 2016, 10:46 am

Lee Wesner wrote:What time did you get the ordering link? Think I'm having some problems with my email filter...
Got mine about an hour ago as well. As it is my first time, I decided to skip the BdN... hopefully I made the right choice.

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#28 Post by Jhart » September 8th, 2016, 11:02 am

etomasi wrote:managed to grab 2 each of the sparkler. Could only wishlist the still wine, but didnt try.

I was a touch annoyed at $40 shipping on 4 bottles.
Eric,
I thought shipping was high too. I contacted them and it looks like there is a flat shipping charge of $40 for 1-6 bottles to the east coast.
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#29 Post by Dan.Gord0n » September 8th, 2016, 11:09 am

First offer for me - figured I'd jump in and buy what I could (2/2 plus wish list of 2/2/2) will be very curious to give these a try. Are these meant to be opened soon after release or do they need a couple years in the cellar to show their best?

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#30 Post by Robert M yers » September 8th, 2016, 11:18 am

Jhart wrote:
etomasi wrote:managed to grab 2 each of the sparkler. Could only wishlist the still wine, but didnt try.

I was a touch annoyed at $40 shipping on 4 bottles.
Eric,
I thought shipping was high too. I contacted them and it looks like there is a flat shipping charge of $40 for 1-6 bottles to the east coast.

Or the Midwest apparently. It almost made me think twice as $65 is getting up there for a domestic sparkler, but I've been looking forward to trying them.

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#31 Post by ccotton8 » September 8th, 2016, 11:30 am

Dan.Gord0n wrote:First offer for me - figured I'd jump in and buy what I could (2/2 plus wish list of 2/2/2) will be very curious to give these a try. Are these meant to be opened soon after release or do they need a couple years in the cellar to show their best?
The '10 and '11 definitely are energetic, most folks only got a 6 pack for the 10's and they consumed them quickly but I got a case so I was able to hold a few because i think their only going to get better. I think the '11s need a little more time in the bottle to settle. Based on the Michael's notes on this release, i'm thinking its going to be similar to the initial release where they'll give enjoyment now.
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#32 Post by Greg Ballington » September 8th, 2016, 11:58 am

In for one of each of the sparklings
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#33 Post by Rich Brown » September 8th, 2016, 12:23 pm

First timer - went for 2 of the bdb and wish-listed the still (which sounds interesting).

Excited to try these wines!

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#34 Post by Dennis Atick » September 8th, 2016, 1:22 pm

Jhart wrote:
etomasi wrote:managed to grab 2 each of the sparkler. Could only wishlist the still wine, but didnt try.

I was a touch annoyed at $40 shipping on 4 bottles.
Eric,
I thought shipping was high too. I contacted them and it looks like there is a flat shipping charge of $40 for 1-6 bottles to the east coast.
Not cool.
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#35 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 8th, 2016, 1:30 pm

I have enjoyed the '11s, but I can get Pierre Péters BdB for less. It's pushing the boundaries of reason when you add in the shipping costs.
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#36 Post by JeromeHan » September 8th, 2016, 1:34 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:I have enjoyed the '11s, but I can get Pierre Péters BdB for less. It's pushing the boundaries of reason when you add in the shipping costs.
Since when was reason supposed to be part of the wine purchasing process? [tease.gif]

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#37 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 8th, 2016, 1:52 pm

JeromeHan wrote:
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:I have enjoyed the '11s, but I can get Pierre Péters BdB for less. It's pushing the boundaries of reason when you add in the shipping costs.
Since when was reason supposed to be part of the wine purchasing process? [tease.gif]
Well logic be damned, because my wife wanted it. Order in.
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#38 Post by Josh Kurek » September 8th, 2016, 2:30 pm

Shipping definitely tweaked me too..was going to grab 3-4 bottles but a flat $40 is really a deterrent...

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#39 Post by mattcitrang » September 8th, 2016, 2:32 pm

Aren't those bottles on the heavy side??

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#40 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 8th, 2016, 2:37 pm

The one thing I will say about shipping is that if the wine was $60 or $65 with free shipping people would be falling all over themselves about free shipping.

You pay either way folks.
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#41 Post by Rob Isaacs » September 8th, 2016, 4:55 pm

Full case to the east coast was $70. High but a third party shipper is probably taking a cut.

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#42 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 8th, 2016, 4:59 pm

A 40 pound box through UPS is not cheap to ship no matter who is doing it.
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#43 Post by JeromeHan » September 8th, 2016, 5:56 pm

Hard to find on the east coast anywhere, so I'll think of the shipping as a premium to be able to guarantee myself a bottle or two.

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#44 Post by Michael Cruse » September 8th, 2016, 5:57 pm

Just wanted to chime in quickly. First off, we couldn't be more thankful for the response today. It's really beyond anything we could have expected. Second, regarding shipping, unfortunately sparkling glass is extremely heavy. On top of it, we've switched to a custom shipper specifically for this bottle. Finally, we do still have to subsidize shipping price. We're trying the best we can to be fair to all.

We're knee deep in harvest now, but insofar as I can, I'm happy to help with any concerns and am really excited about you all getting to try these wines.

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#45 Post by scamhi » September 8th, 2016, 7:18 pm

scamhi wrote:
Nate Simon wrote:Hm, no email here. I've bought in the past, but can't find a way to log in via the site. Will hope for notification soon.
no email for me too.
offer came today. Took my allocation 2 each of the Blanc de Noirs and BdB.
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#46 Post by robert creth » September 9th, 2016, 12:31 am

Missed my offer e-mailing but it was re-sent and I got my 3+3 of the sparklers. Would have preferred a rosé instead of the still offering, but happy with theses smile inducing wines.

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#47 Post by cjsavino » September 9th, 2016, 5:00 am

Michael Cruse wrote:Just wanted to chime in quickly. First off, we couldn't be more thankful for the response today. It's really beyond anything we could have expected. Second, regarding shipping, unfortunately sparkling glass is extremely heavy. On top of it, we've switched to a custom shipper specifically for this bottle. Finally, we do still have to subsidize shipping price. We're trying the best we can to be fair to all.

We're knee deep in harvest now, but insofar as I can, I'm happy to help with any concerns and am really excited about you all getting to try these wines.
Good luck on harvest and look forward to your wines.
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#48 Post by R_Gilbane » September 9th, 2016, 5:47 am

Michael Cruse wrote:Just wanted to chime in quickly. First off, we couldn't be more thankful for the response today. It's really beyond anything we could have expected. Second, regarding shipping, unfortunately sparkling glass is extremely heavy. On top of it, we've switched to a custom shipper specifically for this bottle. Finally, we do still have to subsidize shipping price. We're trying the best we can to be fair to all.

We're knee deep in harvest now, but insofar as I can, I'm happy to help with any concerns and am really excited about you all getting to try these wines.
Michael, what were the factors that played into not making the rose this year? If production increases for future vintages, do you envision making a rose and a blanc de noir?

Looking forward to trying these.
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#49 Post by Michael Cruse » September 9th, 2016, 10:48 am

R_Gilbane wrote:
Michael, what were the factors that played into not making the rose this year? If production increases for future vintages, do you envision making a rose and a blanc de noir?

Looking forward to trying these.
Thanks for trying them!

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#50 Post by R_Gilbane » September 9th, 2016, 7:25 pm

Thanks for the info!
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