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#351 Post by Barry Paul Price » August 12th, 2017, 9:20 pm

Had ANOTHER bottle of 2014 Geyserville tonight.

Ridiculously good.

Bought three more today.

And professional chef and formerly itb wine rep was in ecstasies over it.

2014 Ridge Geyserville.

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#352 Post by Ed Steinway » August 13th, 2017, 8:04 am

We took a bottle of 2014 Ridge Lytton Springs to our neighbors house for dinner on Friday night. Drank it with grilled tri-tip. Both were excellent!

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#353 Post by Howard Cooper » August 13th, 2017, 7:24 pm

2001 Ridge Sonoma Station. Fabulous wine, perfectly mature.

I expect Geyserville and Lytton Springs to age well, but was really surprised at how good a 16 year old Sonoma Station tasted. Does Ridge still make the Sonoma Station Zin? Is the closest thing now the Three Valleys or is there something else more similar?
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#354 Post by Sean Devaney » August 14th, 2017, 7:07 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:2001 Ridge Sonoma Station. Fabulous wine, perfectly mature.

I expect Geyserville and Lytton Springs to age well, but was really surprised at how good a 16 year old Sonoma Station tasted. Does Ridge still make the Sonoma Station Zin? Is the closest thing now the Three Valleys or is there something else more similar?
Howard I think you have the name of the wine wrong. I believe you are referring to the Lytton Station Zin that was discontinued as it was too often mistaken for Lytton Springs.

FWIW I really enjoyed this wine and was a great bargain but drank the last one years ago. [cheers.gif]

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#355 Post by Adam P » August 14th, 2017, 7:16 pm

2015 geyserville. Was spectacular. First timer of Ridge wines. Needles to say, I plan to buy more to lay down.
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#356 Post by Howard Cooper » August 15th, 2017, 6:49 am

The name I listed is correct
Ridge Sonoma station.jpg

See also https://www.wine.com/product/ridge-sono ... 2000/52056
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#357 Post by TimF » August 15th, 2017, 6:55 am

Howard Cooper wrote:2001 Ridge Sonoma Station. Fabulous wine, perfectly mature.

I expect Geyserville and Lytton Springs to age well, but was really surprised at how good a 16 year old Sonoma Station tasted. Does Ridge still make the Sonoma Station Zin? Is the closest thing now the Three Valleys or is there something else more similar?
I'm surprised too. I think I had a bottle of this a few years ago and was underwhelmed. Probably a storage issue with my bottle.
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#358 Post by Sean Devaney » August 15th, 2017, 7:40 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:The name I listed is correct
Ridge Sonoma station.jpg

See also https://www.wine.com/product/ridge-sono ... 2000/52056
I stand corrected. So happy it was a great bottle. [cheers.gif]

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#359 Post by Howard Cooper » August 15th, 2017, 7:50 pm

Sean Devaney wrote:
Howard Cooper wrote:The name I listed is correct
Ridge Sonoma station.jpg

See also https://www.wine.com/product/ridge-sono ... 2000/52056
I stand corrected. So happy it was a great bottle. [cheers.gif]
Thanks. Hard to keep track of all the zins they make. I mostly just concentrate on Geyserville and Lytton Springs. But, when I saw this wine on a restaurant wine list at a very good price, I was curious and bought it. Glad I did.
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#360 Post by G. Bienstock » August 16th, 2017, 7:52 am

1992 Carignane with Steve Timko last night was very good.
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#361 Post by Howard Cooper » August 16th, 2017, 8:44 am

G. Bienstock wrote:1992 Carignane with Steve Timko last night was very good.
Wow. 25 year old Carignane. Impressive. [cheers.gif]
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#362 Post by Richard T r i m p i » August 16th, 2017, 9:52 am

1993 Lytton Springs Zinfandel over the weekend thanks to Bob Hughes. Excellent provenance and plenty of fruit and life. Good restraint. Despite a delicious smoked Brisket, wine oakaphobia had been triggered and the "Draper Perfume" was a little too overwhelming.

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#363 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 16th, 2017, 9:54 am

Disappointing to hear that, RT. Do you know what the oak regime was for that vintage?

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#364 Post by Jeff Vaughan » August 16th, 2017, 10:30 am

Richard T r i m p i wrote:1993 Geyserville Zinfandel over the weekend thanks to Bob Hughes. Excellent provenance and plenty of fruit and life. Good restraint. Despite a delicious smoked Brisket, wine oakaphobia had been triggered and the "Draper Perfume" was a little too overwhelming.

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Rich, it was Lytton Springs, not Geyserville. I agree with you on the oak, though it was not nearly as bad as the 94 Torre Muga, which was completely overwhelming. Thanks for the brisket compliment!
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#365 Post by Richard T r i m p i » August 16th, 2017, 10:32 am

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:Disappointing to hear that, RT. Do you know what the oak regime was for that vintage?
Too much! Catnip to some. YMMV.

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#366 Post by Todd F r e n c h » August 17th, 2017, 11:13 am

Last night I opened a '13 Ridge Lytton Estate Zinfandel - never before had the Lytton Estate Zinfandel, and it was fantastic! A bit richer in style than Lytton Springs, more brambly fruit like Pagani Ranch. For $34.00, it's a tremendous value (at full retail) - wish I bought more than 3
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#367 Post by Howard Cooper » August 17th, 2017, 12:16 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
Sean Devaney wrote:
Howard Cooper wrote:The name I listed is correct
Ridge Sonoma station.jpg

See also https://www.wine.com/product/ridge-sono ... 2000/52056
I stand corrected. So happy it was a great bottle. [cheers.gif]
Thanks. Hard to keep track of all the zins they make. I mostly just concentrate on Geyserville and Lytton Springs. But, when I saw this wine on a restaurant wine list at a very good price, I was curious and bought it. Glad I did.
Emailed Ridge to find out more about this wine. They told me that they do not make a Sonoma Station wine anymore. They said that it was somewhat of a departure from their normal single-vineyard wines in that it used fruit from several different vineyards spread throughout Sonoma county including the Dry Creek, Alexander Valley and Russian River areas.  They do produce a similar wine these days, the Three Valley Zinfandel, and while they don’t pull from as many vineyards for this wine as the Sonoma Station likely a few of the vineyards are the same for both.
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#368 Post by NickRut » August 18th, 2017, 6:59 am

I see the 15 Lytton springs now up on the site. Anyone tried yet?
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#369 Post by Wes Barton » August 18th, 2017, 2:02 pm

NickRut wrote:I see the 15 Lytton springs now up on the site. Anyone tried yet?
I expect a number of Berserkers will at the upcoming Fall Release events.
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#370 Post by Rich Brown » August 19th, 2017, 8:29 pm

2013 Geyserville

If you don't like this, then you shouldn't be drinking wine at all.

Seriously though. Just so damn tasty. Clean and fresh blue and red fruits, wildly complex but still approachable enough to enjoy the hell out of it right now. Couldn't be happier that I popped one tonight......but you're also comforted by the fact that this will continue to evolve over the next 10, 15, 20??? Years.

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#371 Post by Howard Cooper » August 20th, 2017, 1:16 pm

Based on the 78 Geyserville, add 40 years.
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#372 Post by ykwon » August 20th, 2017, 1:46 pm

Might open another 15 geyser tonight after seeing that post
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#373 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 20th, 2017, 1:54 pm

Do it! I had 2 x 2015 Geezer last week. No regrets. The rest will now go to sleep.

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#374 Post by Pat Martin » August 20th, 2017, 4:18 pm

Had the 2007 Geyserville in July, here was my take:
Just piling on here, but another great Ridge Geyserville... At first, this seems sweet and even big, but my palate quickly calibrates and the acids and nuance and balance become clear. This isn't an ordinary Geezer, having only 58% zinfandel, and this shows as the profile is more rustic in flavor (not tannin) and feral than normal. I love it. There's all these savory, spicy notes with plenty of garrigue, clove, carob. Layers of extract and flavor here. Still on the young, vigorous side, but definitely drinking great now. I had this on release and I thought it was a special Geryserville, but it then shut down and was inexpressive and kinda dull, but that stage is gone and the glory is back. 92-93 pts.
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#375 Post by stewart lancaster » August 21st, 2017, 6:21 am

Over the weekend, I went to our local restaurant the wooden angel The owner has been collecting Ridge since the 70's. He brought out a 2001 Lytton Springs to drink. Wow, it was still tasting great.

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#376 Post by P Turk » August 21st, 2017, 7:46 pm

Had the '13 Geyserville the other weekend, too, and it paired up perfectly with a grilled ribeye. It is just a fantastic zin right now.
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#377 Post by NoahR » August 21st, 2017, 7:49 pm

Surprised that this thread seems to be so very Geyserville/Lytton heavy and not nearly as much Monte Bello (basically my single favorite American wine, far and away, with not much else even close).
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#378 Post by Todd F r e n c h » August 21st, 2017, 8:12 pm

NoahR wrote:Surprised that this thread seems to be so very Geyserville/Lytton heavy and not nearly as much Monte Bello (basically my single favorite American wine, far and away, with not much else even close).
I've hidden all mine away, but only have '13 onward as I started a bit late in the game. I imagine many do the same, and when one drinks Monte Bello, it deserves its own thread [cheers.gif]
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#379 Post by TimF » August 22nd, 2017, 6:56 am

I don't have a problem popping a Geyserville or LS during the week. I usually save MBs for holidays, birthdays, etc.
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#380 Post by Mark Mason » August 22nd, 2017, 9:07 am

I opened up a 2014 Lytton Springs last night but was underwhelmed. Perhaps I need to try one of these Geyservilles, I have 14 and 15.
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#381 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 22nd, 2017, 9:20 am

NoahR wrote:Surprised that this thread seems to be so very Geyserville/Lytton heavy and not nearly as much Monte Bello (basically my single favorite American wine, far and away, with not much else even close).
The Geezer is ~$35/btl and people drink a lot of it. Ridge just offered me a few more bottles of the 2014 Monte for $200/btl. No thanks. Like Todd, I get 4 bottles a year of Monte (for a lot less than $200!) and those will be buried for a good while.
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#382 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 22nd, 2017, 10:00 am

This.

I buy case-plus every year, sometimes two, of Ridge. Never buy Monte Bello. Like it, but not worth the fare to me. Not even close. Ridge is my favorite California winery and the only one that I buy from every year. Happily buy the Estate Cab over the MB. At that price point, I go Bordeaux all day long for my Cab or Cab-blend fix.

Geezer and Lytton are also total crowd pleaser wines that can be consumed young, old, often, zero regrets. I bought the 2015 for $30, that's a major QPR.

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#383 Post by Pat Martin » August 22nd, 2017, 11:03 am

At $30, Geyserville must be the world's best QPR.
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#384 Post by Pat Martin » August 22nd, 2017, 11:04 am

Assuming you dig the style (too sweet for some).
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#385 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 22nd, 2017, 11:30 am

Pat Martin wrote:Assuming you dig the style (too sweet for some).
Yeah, but Alfert loves loves loves those sweet reds.
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#386 Post by Pat Martin » August 22nd, 2017, 12:29 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
Pat Martin wrote:Assuming you dig the style (too sweet for some).
Yeah, but Alfert loves loves loves those sweet reds.
I hear you. There's sweetness and then there's sweetness. But that's one of the beauties of Ridge! They make the best off-dry, yet-still-a-table-wine red that I know. Only a few southern Rhone and Veneto (and Musar) wines can come close for a yak palate.
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#387 Post by Jeff Vaughan » August 23rd, 2017, 5:21 am

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:This.

I buy case-plus every year, sometimes two, of Ridge. Never buy Monte Bello. Like it, but not worth the fare to me. Not even close. Ridge is my favorite California winery and the only one that I buy from every year. Happily buy the Estate Cab over the MB. At that price point, I go Bordeaux all day long for my Cab or Cab-blend fix.

Geezer and Lytton are also total crowd pleaser wines that can be consumed young, old, often, zero regrets. I bought the 2015 for $30, that's a major QPR.
Robert, I struggle to understand how you can be such a Ridge fan, but then hate modern styled Bordeaux. To me, and my Bordeaux experience is much less than yours, the Ridge is so much more fruit driven and ripe than the modern left bank Bordeaux I have tried. Right bank, I get it. I can't drink most of them either.
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#388 Post by MitchTallan » August 23rd, 2017, 5:47 am

I buy case-plus every year, sometimes two, of Ridge. Never buy Monte Bello.
I am with Thunder-Thighs on this, though I have bought MB in the past in birth years and when deals came along. In fact, when I read Neal's post and even before I read TT's post, I was going to post this; I have never been blown away by a MB and I have had the pleasure to taste quite a few, probably a dozen different vintages a total of 50 times or so. The '91 is very precocious, inviting, and downright delicious, and it would have been nice if my older boy was born just 5 weeks later because then I would have a case and a half of '91 left and not the '90. I told my wife to stay away from the Pitocin! But back to the quality of MB, yeah, it remains one of California's most Bordeaux-like cabs made with the pedigree and winemaking Andre' T would have approved. But-big butt like TT's, 98% of the time mature MB has bouquet that the palate impression can't match or even approach. And value-wise, '14 Forman lists at $110. As others have said, my friend Thunder Thighs included, the value is no longer there. I bought '90 MB for $360/case.

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#389 Post by Pat Martin » August 23rd, 2017, 7:05 am

+1. I haven't had that many mature examples of Monte Bello, but the only one that's really impressed was the '89. I outright disliked the '91 the one time I had it. The rest of the time I just haven't found it appreciably better than the Estate.

That said, I've loved the older York Creek and Jimsomare cabs I've had from Ridge.
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#390 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 23rd, 2017, 8:03 am

Jeff Vaughan wrote:
Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:This.

I buy case-plus every year, sometimes two, of Ridge. Never buy Monte Bello. Like it, but not worth the fare to me. Not even close. Ridge is my favorite California winery and the only one that I buy from every year. Happily buy the Estate Cab over the MB. At that price point, I go Bordeaux all day long for my Cab or Cab-blend fix.

Geezer and Lytton are also total crowd pleaser wines that can be consumed young, old, often, zero regrets. I bought the 2015 for $30, that's a major QPR.
Robert, I struggle to understand how you can be such a Ridge fan, but then hate modern styled Bordeaux. To me, and my Bordeaux experience is much less than yours, the Ridge is so much more fruit driven and ripe than the modern left bank Bordeaux I have tried. Right bank, I get it. I can't drink most of them either.
Fair question, but not a fair comparison, IMHO. While we sometimes hear mature Geyserville starts to resemble claret with 20+ years on it, I still think that's a glossy point. it may resemble it in the way that it picks up ancillary and tertiary characteristics, and ages well, but it is still Zinfandel. It does not taste like Bordeaux. I love the grape (Zin) when it is done right. Yes, it is higher alcohol and can be sweeter than Bordeaux, but it also has a spice and pepper note, a wild bramble, and a depth of ripe fruit to carry the alcohol exceedingly well. Ridge makes Zins and field blends that are true to the grapes. I do not like modern Bordeaux because they are manufacturing a product that is not true to the grape, pushing the ripeness envelope, alcohol, manipulation and overkill on new oak for many vineyards than cannot handle it. The modern estates kill their terroir and produce a universal product that many times tastes like it could have come from anywhere.

I have often noted that Ridge is my guilty pleasure. I have also criticized Ridge for using American oak and starting to ramp up use of more new oak in its wines. I have stopped buying Lytton in many years, and am lamenting the increase of new oak in the 2014 Ridge Estate Cab, so may buy one to try and go from their. Geezer still works very well for my palate. Love to pop it on a whim with something grilled, with take-out, with pizza, fun stuff. It's a pleasurable drink, one that can have a cerebral side to it as well if you wish to engage.

I have a long history with this winery, perhaps some sentimentality remains, but the Geezer still shines.
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#391 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 23rd, 2017, 8:04 am

MitchTallan wrote:
I buy case-plus every year, sometimes two, of Ridge. Never buy Monte Bello.
I am with Thunder-Thighs on this. . . .

. . . my friend Thunder Thighs included
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#392 Post by Jeff Vaughan » August 23rd, 2017, 8:16 am

Thanks for the explanation Robert. I wasn't trying to be a troll. I appreciate your contributions here, and you have helped turned me on to several left bank Bordeaux producers that I now enjoy. My palate often aligns with yours except for that weedy Chinon you like, and more recently for our palates - Bedrock and Ridge.
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#393 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 23rd, 2017, 8:18 am

Jeff Vaughan wrote:Thanks for the explanation Robert. I wasn't trying to be a troll. I appreciate your contributions here, and you have helped turned me on to several left bank Bordeaux producers that I now enjoy. My palate often aligns with yours except for that weedy Chinon you like, and more recently for our palates - Bedrock and Ridge.
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#394 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 23rd, 2017, 8:28 am

We look for and expect consistency in so many things in life, with something as ultimately meaningless as wine preferences, we should be allowed our eccentricities and inexplicable choices. I see people here all the time who disparage those who like huge, alcoholic CA cabs ("not wine!"; "manufactured product!"; "manipulated!"; "frankenwine!") yet revere Quintarelli and Dal Forno. And aside from the personal swipes ("burgundy is true wine, that stuff you like is trash") the "inconsistency" should be no problem at all.
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#395 Post by Howard Cooper » August 23rd, 2017, 8:47 am

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:
Fair question, but not a fair comparison, IMHO. While we sometimes hear mature Geyserville starts to resemble claret with 20+ years on it, I still think that's a glossy point. it may resemble it in the way that it picks up ancillary and tertiary characteristics, and ages well, but it is still Zinfandel. It does not taste like Bordeaux. I love the grape (Zin) when it is done right. Yes, it is higher alcohol and can be sweeter than Bordeaux, but it also has a spice and pepper note, a wild bramble, and a depth of ripe fruit to carry the alcohol exceedingly well. Ridge makes Zins and field blends that are true to the grapes. I do not like modern Bordeaux because they are manufacturing a product that is not true to the grape, pushing the ripeness envelope, alcohol, manipulation and overkill on new oak for many vineyards than cannot handle it. The modern estates kill their terroir and produce a universal product that many times tastes like it could have come from anywhere.

I have often noted that Ridge is my guilty pleasure. I have also criticized Ridge for using American oak and starting to ramp up use of more new oak in its wines. I have stopped buying Lytton in many years, and am lamenting the increase of new oak in the 2014 Ridge Estate Cab, so may buy one to try and go from their. Geezer still works very well for my palate. Love to pop it on a whim with something grilled, with take-out, with pizza, fun stuff. It's a pleasurable drink, one that can have a cerebral side to it as well if you wish to engage.

I have a long history with this winery, perhaps some sentimentality remains, but the Geezer still shines.
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#396 Post by Howard Cooper » August 23rd, 2017, 8:48 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:We look for and expect consistency in so many things in life, with something as ultimately meaningless as wine preferences, we should be allowed our eccentricities and inexplicable choices. I see people here all the time who disparage those who like huge, alcoholic CA cabs ("not wine!"; "manufactured product!"; "manipulated!"; "frankenwine!") yet revere Quintarelli and Dal Forno. And aside from the personal swipes ("burgundy is true wine, that stuff you like is trash") the "inconsistency" should be no problem at all.
I agree. I like what I like.
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#397 Post by Pat Martin » August 23rd, 2017, 8:49 am

This tastes good to me, that doesn't. Simple. No right, no wrong, it's our own tastes.

Of course, analyzing and debating why one tastes good and the other doesn't is the fun part.
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#398 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 23rd, 2017, 8:53 am

Pat Martin wrote:This tastes good to me, that doesn't. Simple. No right, no wrong, it's our own tastes.

Of course, analyzing and debating why one tastes good and the other doesn't is the fun part.
Bingo, hence the good question!

Once in a while I am even surprised that I enjoyed a wine that one would think I would hate. Totally enjoyed a 2003 Cos at a steakhouse last year. Now mind you, the other wines at the table were 15%+ Cabs, but the Cos paired well with the over-seasoned, gargantuan-sized steaks and accompaniments that you find at the ubiquitous "business" steak place.

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#399 Post by Pat Martin » August 23rd, 2017, 9:16 am

That's awesome. The 03 Cos! Context is really important.

For me, I almost never crave CDP anymore, but I always seem to enjoy them at tastings, at least the more restrained versions.

Most Ridge wines retain a sense of place, balance, varietal character, and non-manufacturedness that makes the sweetness and alcohol level beside the point. Much modern Bordeaux lacks these elements for my tastes, and in general I don't think Bordeaux varietals can carry weight and size the way an old vine zin-based field blend from Ridge does. And Geyserville has a super high natural acidity.

But even really ripe Bordeaux tastes great when done right (getting a hot-dry year but picking before all the freshness is gone).
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#400 Post by Howard Cooper » August 23rd, 2017, 10:15 am

Pat Martin wrote:This tastes good to me, that doesn't. Simple. No right, no wrong, it's our own tastes.

Of course, analyzing and debating why one tastes good and the other doesn't is the fun part.
I certainly don't believe that there are no standards. But one cannot always judge wine based on what box they are in - AFWE, oaky, etc.

For example, I really like white Burgundies from Bouchard even though they clearly have a lot more new oak than I would typically like in white burgundies from other producers.

I typically do not like modern styled Bordeaux, but I think that with age a number of recent vintages (like 2005) of Cos d'Estournal will be outstanding - that terroir will win out over oak.

I love Ridge wines, even with American oak. Monte Bello is by far my favorite California Cab and Geyserville is generally my favorite Zin (when it isn't, usually it is because I like Lytton Springs better).

You have to base your views on what is good or not good, by what is in the glass and not by what some formula or by some rules of what I am supposed to like or not like.
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