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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#151 Post by John Danza » February 11th, 2020, 1:34 pm

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'84 and '87 are highly underrated vintages, and worth seeking out for all the names listed above - the '87 Montelena is still one of my all time favorite Cabs with a little bottle age -
I grab 1984 vintage whenever I can get them at a decent price, since it's the year my wife and I were married. I even ran into a Maryland Cabernet from the 1984 vintage and it was still "ok" (barely) 10 years ago.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#152 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » February 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm

Cali Cab from the mid to late 80s that I've opened in the past 3-4 years and that has been more than superb:

Beaulieu GDL
Beringer Private Reserve
Burgess Vintage Selection
Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill, Gravelly Meadow
Dunn (both HM and Napa)
Heitz Martha's
Ridge Monte Bello
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#153 Post by JDavisRoby » February 14th, 2020, 5:18 am

I have a 2001 Forman Cab I intend on opening tonight. Been standing up for a couple days now. Any recommendations on decant time? This will be the oldest Forman I’ve opened by about five years.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#154 Post by Ed Steinway » February 14th, 2020, 6:10 am

Thomas Keim wrote:
'84 and '87 are highly underrated vintages, and worth seeking out for all the names listed above - the '87 Montelena is still one of my all time favorite Cabs with a little bottle age -
Both are excellent vintages for California Cabernet. The 1984 Ridge Monte Bello we had a few years ago was one of the best bottles of wine I have been fortunate enough to drink.

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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#155 Post by Brian Lynch » February 14th, 2020, 11:21 am

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Recently drank a ‘59 Charles Krug at Press in St. Helena that someone purchased off their list and sent over to the table for me as a gift. It was the wine of the night, a real feat considering we had an ‘89 Haut-Briton and several other treasures sitting on the table. What struck me the most was how youthful it seemed. Really thrilling stuff.
It could have been the MacDonald fruit
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#156 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 14th, 2020, 11:27 am

75 Charles Krug at Berns was nice.

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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#157 Post by John Danza » February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pm

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75 Charles Krug at Berns was nice.
I had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#158 Post by Howard Cooper » February 14th, 2020, 2:37 pm

John Danza wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 11:27 am
75 Charles Krug at Berns was nice.
I had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
I had a 1978 Ridge Geyserville a couple of years ago that also was fabulous.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#159 Post by Anton D » February 14th, 2020, 2:56 pm

I think we are entering the age where more and more people discover the splendid beauty of aged Cali cabs.

Great thread.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#160 Post by Lee Braem » February 16th, 2020, 5:35 pm

Just drank a bottle of Michel-Schlumberger Reserve 92. Good cork, color still on red side, adequate fruit and great nose. A very good bottle of wine.

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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#161 Post by Andy Sc » February 17th, 2020, 1:58 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 2:37 pm
John Danza wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 11:27 am
75 Charles Krug at Berns was nice.
I had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
I had a 1978 Ridge Geyserville a couple of years ago that also was fabulous.
I can second that. I've found the 1972 Geyserville on a restaurant list last year and it was singing. The head sommelier (of a 3 star restaurant) mistook it for a 20y+ old high-end Richebourg. [swoon.gif]
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#162 Post by Mark Golodetz » February 17th, 2020, 3:03 am

I have been part of several old Zinfandel tastings, and frankly the percentage of disappointments was incredibly high. The only two consistent producers were Ridge and Joseph Swan.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#163 Post by Dennis Atick » February 17th, 2020, 3:26 am

Andy Sc wrote:
February 17th, 2020, 1:58 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 2:37 pm
John Danza wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pm


I had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
I had a 1978 Ridge Geyserville a couple of years ago that also was fabulous.
I can second that. I've found the 1972 Geyserville on a restaurant list last year and it was singing. The head sommelier (of a 3 star restaurant) mistook it for a 20y+ old high-end Richebourg. [swoon.gif]
Ridge Zins from the mid-70s served blind were the best wines of my most recent Berns trips in '16 and '18. Amidst some serious competition.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#164 Post by Howard Cooper » February 17th, 2020, 4:17 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
February 17th, 2020, 3:03 am
I have been part of several old Zinfandel tastings, and frankly the percentage of disappointments was incredibly high. The only two consistent producers were Ridge and Joseph Swan.
Frankly, the only Zins I drink are from Ridge (at any age), although I would like to try Swan.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#165 Post by Howard Cooper » February 17th, 2020, 4:20 am

Anton D wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 2:56 pm
I think we are entering the age where more and more people discover the splendid beauty of aged Cali cabs.

Great thread.
I hope that this is not happening at a time when some classic producers (like Phelps) who made wines for a long time that aged very well have moved to the dark side.
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#166 Post by Howard Cooper » February 17th, 2020, 4:22 am

JDavisRoby wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 5:18 am
I have a 2001 Forman Cab I intend on opening tonight. Been standing up for a couple days now. Any recommendations on decant time? This will be the oldest Forman I’ve opened by about five years.
How was the wine?
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#167 Post by Mel Knox » February 17th, 2020, 11:39 am

As I recall the old C Krug Vintage Selects were based on fruit from the See Ranch, now part of Silverado
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Re: Aged Cali Cab

#168 Post by JDavisRoby » February 17th, 2020, 11:51 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
February 17th, 2020, 4:22 am
JDavisRoby wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 5:18 am
I have a 2001 Forman Cab I intend on opening tonight. Been standing up for a couple days now. Any recommendations on decant time? This will be the oldest Forman I’ve opened by about five years.
How was the wine?
It was great! The dusty, cassis and tobacco nose and complex texture I love on older Bordeaux varietals. But, still enough fruit up front and acid in the mid palate which I believe says it had lots of life left. Cork was in great shape.

Opened a 2014 Angelus No 3 after. What a huge difference!
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