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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1401 Post by Brad Baker » August 12th, 2020, 7:38 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:37 pm
Brad Baker wrote:
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Just wait for the 2019 Cristal.... It will be a number of years, but I think it will be better than the 2012 (which I think is slightly better than the 2009.... which I think is slightly better than the 2008). Best young Cristal I have ever tasted is the 2019 and the next best (2012) is not all that close. Just amazing texture, bright aromatics, precise, long, flavors, and a finish that coats the mouth and leaves your cheeks watering.

But, yeah, that 2009 is downright delicious and will continue to be so for a long, long time.
What do you think of the 2012 Roederer Brut? (For some reason I can't access your 2013 note through CT). I have a few coming, and wonder if I should have a few more
Neal,

I like the 2012 Roederer Vintage a lot and think it is a great value. Everything Roederer did in 2012 was top notch. The wine has enough fruit and strucutre to be enjoyable now and to age for a long time too. It isn't as chiseled or bright as the 2012 Vintage Rose which I prefer over the Vintage Blanc and is nothing like the Cristals, but it is a very solid wine. The 2013 Vintage is another winner and a bit more structured, less round, and less fruity than the 2012.
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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1402 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 13th, 2020, 4:24 am

Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 7:02 pm
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:37 pm
Tried to have some Champagne tonight for our 31st wedding anniversary. In 2020 style it was corked.
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Sorry to hear that. I'm hoping it wasn't your first bottle of this because I would love to get your thoughts. I can get my hands on some 2017 (available tonight starting at midnight EST) and would love to know if it's a zero, one or three bottles first purchase...

Also, any experience with Les Grandes Lignes Brut Nature (2016)?
Unfortunately my only bottle from this producer.
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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1403 Post by A Willi@mson » August 13th, 2020, 6:16 am

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:37 am
Earlier this week, we opened my last NV André Clouet . I bought three of these, as they were bundled with three 1996 Phillipponant Clos des Goisses in an auction lot. I've always considered Clouet a nice fairly priced Champagne, but the bottles I have opened were wonderful. These are old bottles, based on the condition and oxidation of the foil. They were imported by The Rare Wine Company. I'm guessing they're from the nineties since RWC opened in '89, but the bottles look even older. The oxidized foil stuck to the bottle and cork, and while the cork never expanded after opening, this still had a good "pop" and a generous mousse. This would convince anyone that NV Champagne can age beautifully. It was still very lively and clean, with great complexity. Full bodied, red fruit, brioche, mushroom, and a hint of subtle hazelnut. I love it; what a nice surprise from an auction bycatch.


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You weren't drinking the Andre Clouet NV, you were drinking his flagship, the delicious "Un jour de 1911". Made and packaged in the style of 1911 (the foil wasn't oxidized: it's made that way, the bottle and label are deliberately old skool and the the OWCs come packed with straw) in NV batches of 1911 bottles.
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Had the 2002 DP P2 for the first time on Saturday for our anniversary. It was good, but wasn't overwhelmed. Was surprised by the sweetness. Not sure if that's a phase or the style. Was great with the right food, but alone, it was bordering on too sweet. Was definitely a bit more refined at this point than the 08 DP, but at the price point, will happily stick with the 08.

2002 Dom Pérignon Champagne P2 - France, Champagne (8/8/2020)
Good weight and balance. Light brioche/yeast with a lot of primary fruit. Finish was a bit sweeter than the 2008 DP. (94 pts.)
It might sound odd, but LVHM doesn't recommend drinking P2 on release - they suggest 5-10 years for the wines to loosen up a bit. Having had a bottle of 93 P2 recently, I have to agree with them.

And for what I'm drinking? I've had a bunch of totally delicious Vilmart Coeur de Cuvee 2004s in the last few weeks which have all been amongst the most ripe and generously fruited '04s I've had (for my palate it's generally a skinny vintage with wines showing lots of length but not so much breadth). If you have some lying around, I'd strongly recommend drinking some now.
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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1404 Post by Phil T r o t t e r » August 13th, 2020, 6:54 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 4:24 am
Unfortunately my only bottle from this producer.
Argh, that cork taint is even more upsetting then! I didn't take a chance and grabbed two Les Semblables 2017 last night. I'm thinking that against my normal procedure of letting them rest awhile, I will drink one in the next few weeks and will report back.

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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1405 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 13th, 2020, 7:02 am

Brad Baker wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 7:38 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:37 pm
Brad Baker wrote:
July 26th, 2020, 1:31 pm
Just wait for the 2019 Cristal.... It will be a number of years, but I think it will be better than the 2012 (which I think is slightly better than the 2009.... which I think is slightly better than the 2008). Best young Cristal I have ever tasted is the 2019 and the next best (2012) is not all that close. Just amazing texture, bright aromatics, precise, long, flavors, and a finish that coats the mouth and leaves your cheeks watering.

But, yeah, that 2009 is downright delicious and will continue to be so for a long, long time.
What do you think of the 2012 Roederer Brut? (For some reason I can't access your 2013 note through CT). I have a few coming, and wonder if I should have a few more
Neal,

I like the 2012 Roederer Vintage a lot and think it is a great value. Everything Roederer did in 2012 was top notch. The wine has enough fruit and strucutre to be enjoyable now and to age for a long time too. It isn't as chiseled or bright as the 2012 Vintage Rose which I prefer over the Vintage Blanc and is nothing like the Cristals, but it is a very solid wine. The 2013 Vintage is another winner and a bit more structured, less round, and less fruity than the 2012.
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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1406 Post by Jonathan Kalman » August 13th, 2020, 7:10 am

Brad Baker wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 7:38 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:37 pm
Brad Baker wrote:
July 26th, 2020, 1:31 pm
Just wait for the 2019 Cristal.... It will be a number of years, but I think it will be better than the 2012 (which I think is slightly better than the 2009.... which I think is slightly better than the 2008). Best young Cristal I have ever tasted is the 2019 and the next best (2012) is not all that close. Just amazing texture, bright aromatics, precise, long, flavors, and a finish that coats the mouth and leaves your cheeks watering.

But, yeah, that 2009 is downright delicious and will continue to be so for a long, long time.
What do you think of the 2012 Roederer Brut? (For some reason I can't access your 2013 note through CT). I have a few coming, and wonder if I should have a few more
Neal,

I like the 2012 Roederer Vintage a lot and think it is a great value. Everything Roederer did in 2012 was top notch. The wine has enough fruit and strucutre to be enjoyable now and to age for a long time too. It isn't as chiseled or bright as the 2012 Vintage Rose which I prefer over the Vintage Blanc and is nothing like the Cristals, but it is a very solid wine. The 2013 Vintage is another winner and a bit more structured, less round, and less fruity than the 2012.
The Roederer 2012 Rose is excellent. I bought a few cases of this when it was released and have just started drinking the first case. It will take great self-restraint to pace consumption.

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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1407 Post by melvinyeo » August 13th, 2020, 8:01 am

NV Adrien Renoir Champagne Grand Cru Le Terroir Extra Brut - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (13/8/2020)
50-50 PN-Chard, 2016 base and 3g/l dosage. Probably had this too young. Didn’t like this at first as it was very muted, became very expressive only after two hours of air. The best of both grapes here, very good cut and richness. Great value for an entry-level champagne.

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#1408 Post by Warren Taranow » August 13th, 2020, 1:35 pm

Jonathan Kalman wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 7:10 am
Brad Baker wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 7:38 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:37 pm


What do you think of the 2012 Roederer Brut? (For some reason I can't access your 2013 note through CT). I have a few coming, and wonder if I should have a few more
Neal,

I like the 2012 Roederer Vintage a lot and think it is a great value. Everything Roederer did in 2012 was top notch. The wine has enough fruit and strucutre to be enjoyable now and to age for a long time too. It isn't as chiseled or bright as the 2012 Vintage Rose which I prefer over the Vintage Blanc and is nothing like the Cristals, but it is a very solid wine. The 2013 Vintage is another winner and a bit more structured, less round, and less fruity than the 2012.
The Roederer 2012 Rose is excellent. I bought a few cases of this when it was released and have just started drinking the first case. It will take great self-restraint to pace consumption.
Self-restraint; what's that? I have four bottles left of my twenty purchased.

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Re: Which Champagne are you drinking?

#1409 Post by Jonathan Kalman » August 14th, 2020, 6:36 am

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Jonathan Kalman wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 7:10 am
Brad Baker wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 7:38 pm


Neal,

I like the 2012 Roederer Vintage a lot and think it is a great value. Everything Roederer did in 2012 was top notch. The wine has enough fruit and strucutre to be enjoyable now and to age for a long time too. It isn't as chiseled or bright as the 2012 Vintage Rose which I prefer over the Vintage Blanc and is nothing like the Cristals, but it is a very solid wine. The 2013 Vintage is another winner and a bit more structured, less round, and less fruity than the 2012.
The Roederer 2012 Rose is excellent. I bought a few cases of this when it was released and have just started drinking the first case. It will take great self-restraint to pace consumption.
Self-restraint; what's that? I have four bottles left of my twenty purchased.
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#1410 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » August 14th, 2020, 7:33 am

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Jonathan Kalman wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 7:10 am
Brad Baker wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 7:38 pm


Neal,

I like the 2012 Roederer Vintage a lot and think it is a great value. Everything Roederer did in 2012 was top notch. The wine has enough fruit and strucutre to be enjoyable now and to age for a long time too. It isn't as chiseled or bright as the 2012 Vintage Rose which I prefer over the Vintage Blanc and is nothing like the Cristals, but it is a very solid wine. The 2013 Vintage is another winner and a bit more structured, less round, and less fruity than the 2012.
The Roederer 2012 Rose is excellent. I bought a few cases of this when it was released and have just started drinking the first case. It will take great self-restraint to pace consumption.
Self-restraint; what's that? I have four bottles left of my twenty purchased.

WT
I guess it means you’re not drinking your 12 Cristal so that’s something?

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#1411 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 14th, 2020, 9:20 am

Vilmart Grand Cellier. Bought a bunch at a decent price.
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#1412 Post by Warren Taranow » August 14th, 2020, 3:51 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
August 14th, 2020, 7:33 am
Warren Taranow wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Jonathan Kalman wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 7:10 am

The Roederer 2012 Rose is excellent. I bought a few cases of this when it was released and have just started drinking the first case. It will take great self-restraint to pace consumption.
Self-restraint; what's that? I have four bottles left of my twenty purchased.

WT
I guess it means you’re not drinking your 12 Cristal so that’s something?
True that, Michael, although my '09s are threatened and might rapidly make the endangered list.

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#1413 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » August 14th, 2020, 3:59 pm

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 14th, 2020, 3:51 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
August 14th, 2020, 7:33 am
Warren Taranow wrote:
August 13th, 2020, 1:35 pm


Self-restraint; what's that? I have four bottles left of my twenty purchased.

WT
I guess it means you’re not drinking your 12 Cristal so that’s something?
True that, Michael, although my '09s are threatened and might rapidly make the endangered list.

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#1414 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 14th, 2020, 4:04 pm

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#1415 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 16th, 2020, 12:24 pm

For Champagne Sunday: Frederic Savart L'Accomplie Premier Cru. Absolutely stunning (first time I have had it).
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#1416 Post by J. Rock » August 17th, 2020, 9:59 pm

Has anyone had 2008 Edouard Brun & Cie Champagne Brut? For $40 for a 2008 vintage Champagne, I figure why not... but I'm also wondering if it's a good value or a "you get what you pay for" type thing.
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#1417 Post by AD Northup » August 19th, 2020, 5:01 pm

NV Jean Laurent Blanc de Blanc Réserve
  • NV Jean Laurent Champagne Brut Blanc De Blancs Reserve - France, Champagne (8/19/2020)
    Disgorged April 2016. Blend of grapes from 2010-2012, bottled in 2013. Light golden yellow color. Vigorous and concentrated mousse, though in only moderate amount. Lots of apple on the nose, very fresh smelling. Lots of apple on the palate. Moderate acidity which has likely come down since disgorgement. As the bottle stays open, the ripeness of the apple increases in intensity and lasts for awhile in the finish. A few hours in and the intensity has ramped up even more and the acid finish has appeared. A really fun NV BdB. I will search out other cuvees from this grower.

    With some vinegar barbecue sauce it has a really nice brioche to it opposite the vinegar heat. Really drinks well with it. (91 pts.)
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#1418 Post by Daniel R. » August 19th, 2020, 5:16 pm

The 2012 Roederer Rose is excellent, I grabbed some of it at Costco. I am very excited about the 2012 Champagne vintage, as it is my wedding year. These reports of 2012 Cristal are promising, and I will likely double down on these and Dom as well.
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#1419 Post by AD Northup » August 20th, 2020, 5:30 pm

list][*]2012 Roland Champion Champagne Grand Cru Carte Noire Blanc de Blancs Brut - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (8/20/2020)
Very pale yellow color, very little and very fine bubbles. Nose doesn’t give off much other than a hint of orchard fruit. The wine provides a hit of nicely integrated acid on the front of the tongue followed by a rush of beautiful apple fruit flavor that slowly falls off the tongue and lasts for what seems like forever. After being open a bit the finish adds a really nice salinity that really completes the wine. A really really good bottle for sub $45 (93 pts.)[/list]
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#1420 Post by Jan Janas » August 21st, 2020, 3:25 am

The first time with Vilmart's Grand Cellier NV and it exceeds expectations. The way it walks the line between power and elegance is an act of class and control. Fresh butter, cream, buttermilk, white flowers, and citrus all intermingle in a delicately expressive, aromatic nose; while the palate is finessed, yet creamy, with a delicious mineral and acidic core, and a long, delicious grapefruit aftertaste. Can't ask for more for the price. Paired it with some champagne ham & creme fraiche sandwich yesterday and a fuller meal of schnitzel with buttermilk polenta and stracciatella, golden beetroot and walnut pesto as an entree today. It has a vinous quality that complements any dish I tried with it. Recommended without hesitation!

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#1421 Post by Mary Deem » August 21st, 2020, 5:16 pm

Lahaye Brut Nature - Disgorged 4/2019, no date but cork marked 'B19'. From Sec Wines. Stunning. Some of the most intense salinety I have come tasted. Tart but sweet green and red apples, citrus, with a hint of wood spice. As this warms a green grape note emerges and the other fruits become a little richer but never too opulant or flabby. For me the saline-wet stone aspect remained the focus though, always up front - the primary character as opposed to a more typical (in my experience) supporting role. Having said this, the salinety is well integrated. Even on day three, the salinety was still as prominant and yet integrated.

Frank Murray III's description is spot on, this comment alone perfectly captures what this wine is about:
This is a cool wine, as if the cherry and saline is being pulled through the palate and into the finish, washed over some wet stone.
Pretty much sums up my experience as the salinety seems to permeat every aspect of this wine.

I was worried that this might be overshadowed by the Violaine tasted earlier. I need not have worried as this held its own, especially since it had such a wonderful salinity. I did not have that 'this is nice but no Violaine'. Having said that, the Violaine in my opinion is a very unique wine that deserves its own category. The unique herbal notes and structure (incredible lightness yet depth and power) are like no other Champagne that I have tasted. If anyone has tasted a similar wine - please share.

Neal.Mollen - What a fabulous setting for your introduction to the Violaine. Sounds like a great Sommelier to have picked it. Do you remember what vintage it was? I would love to taste more vintages as my tiny budget permits. Is this the wine that you mentioned pairing with Wagyu beef? I did not even try to pair this with food since it was my first time drinknig the Violaine....but next time I might be braver.

I love that you immediately went out and bought some more bottles to sneak back. While I did not have to resort to smuggling, I did send an e-mail to Eric at Sec to buy a bottle after the first glass. Never mind that our budget was nil at the time. I told my non wine drinking husband 'I have to get this wine, it is one of the most unique wines I have tasted'. He just shook his head, probably assuming I was drunk ;)

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#1422 Post by Mary Deem » August 21st, 2020, 5:23 pm

AD Northup - Would love to hear more about the 2010 David Leclapart L’Amateur you had. I have not yet tried any wines from Leclapart but am interested.

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#1423 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 21st, 2020, 5:57 pm

Thanks to all who commented on the Roederer Rose 12. Found some half’s on sale and grabbed the last 7

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#1424 Post by Warren Taranow » August 23rd, 2020, 6:49 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 5:57 pm
Thanks to all who commented on the Roederer Rose 12. Found some half’s on sale and grabbed the last 7
Barry,
You won’t be sorry, and I will be envious!
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#1425 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 23rd, 2020, 7:16 am

Mary Deem wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 5:16 pm
Lahaye Brut Nature - Disgorged 4/2019, no date but cork marked 'B19'. From Sec Wines. Stunning. Some of the most intense salinety I have come tasted. Tart but sweet green and red apples, citrus, with a hint of wood spice. As this warms a green grape note emerges and the other fruits become a little richer but never too opulant or flabby. For me the saline-wet stone aspect remained the focus though, always up front - the primary character as opposed to a more typical (in my experience) supporting role. Having said this, the salinety is well integrated. Even on day three, the salinety was still as prominant and yet integrated.

Frank Murray III's description is spot on, this comment alone perfectly captures what this wine is about:
This is a cool wine, as if the cherry and saline is being pulled through the palate and into the finish, washed over some wet stone.
Pretty much sums up my experience as the salinety seems to permeat every aspect of this wine.

I was worried that this might be overshadowed by the Violaine tasted earlier. I need not have worried as this held its own, especially since it had such a wonderful salinity. I did not have that 'this is nice but no Violaine'. Having said that, the Violaine in my opinion is a very unique wine that deserves its own category. The unique herbal notes and structure (incredible lightness yet depth and power) are like no other Champagne that I have tasted. If anyone has tasted a similar wine - please share.

Neal.Mollen - What a fabulous setting for your introduction to the Violaine. Sounds like a great Sommelier to have picked it. Do you remember what vintage it was? I would love to taste more vintages as my tiny budget permits. Is this the wine that you mentioned pairing with Wagyu beef? I did not even try to pair this with food since it was my first time drinknig the Violaine....but next time I might be braver.

I love that you immediately went out and bought some more bottles to sneak back. While I did not have to resort to smuggling, I did send an e-mail to Eric at Sec to buy a bottle after the first glass. Never mind that our budget was nil at the time. I told my non wine drinking husband 'I have to get this wine, it is one of the most unique wines I have tasted'. He just shook his head, probably assuming I was drunk ;)
That meal was so memorable for a lot of reasons, and every time I see the label I am brought back there. Truly special.

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#1426 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 23rd, 2020, 8:00 am

For Champagne Sunday: Vilmart Grand Cellier. Glad I bought a bunch - always hits the spot.
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#1427 Post by Ron F r e e d » August 23rd, 2020, 8:13 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 5:57 pm
Thanks to all who commented on the Roederer Rose 12. Found some half’s on sale and grabbed the last 7
Glad to see that you too are still enjoying the good stuff!!! neener

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#1428 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 23rd, 2020, 8:37 am

Ron F r e e d wrote:
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Barry L i p t o n wrote:
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Thanks to all who commented on the Roederer Rose 12. Found some half’s on sale and grabbed the last 7
Glad to see that you too are still enjoying the good stuff!!! neener
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#1429 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 23rd, 2020, 9:42 am

Steve Nordhoff wrote:
April 30th, 2019, 7:07 am
Two rose half bottles for comparison

Billecart Salmon Rose - essentially no info on the bottle. Raspberry and dried cherry. These seems a bit drier than 10 years ago, which is fine with me. Very nice, solid and consistent.

Roederer 2012 Rose. This house is on fire for me lately, between this, the incredible Cristal bottlings and the Starck Blanc De Blanc. This easily bested the Billecart. Explodes from the glass with great fruit but plenty of tension and acid. Super bright, round and refreshing. Excellent.
Perfect comparison post for me, thanks. Just bought the Roederer and got Envoyers offer on the BS rose 375@$40.

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#1430 Post by Diane Kessler » August 23rd, 2020, 11:46 am

A friend came for dinner yesterday and brought a bottle of 2002 Piper Heidsieck Rare. My first time having it and I was impressed. Wonderfully rich and toasty.

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#1431 Post by Al Osterheld » August 23rd, 2020, 1:11 pm

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#1432 Post by Warren Taranow » August 23rd, 2020, 4:41 pm

Diane Kessler wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 11:46 am
A friend came for dinner yesterday and brought a bottle of 2002 Piper Heidsieck Rare. My first time having it and I was impressed. Wonderfully rich and toasty.
Diane,
Coincidentally, I had this last night as well! Your's if an apt description. Mine is in a separate thread.
Garish bottle, great wine.
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#1433 Post by AD Northup » August 23rd, 2020, 4:43 pm

Last night: 2012 Larmandier-Bernier Les Chemins d’Avize. Very young but incredible bones
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#1434 Post by Jayson Cohen » August 23rd, 2020, 4:52 pm

AD Northup wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 4:43 pm
Last night: 2012 Larmandier-Bernier Les Chemins d’Avize. Very young but incredible bones
I think this Champagne is crazy good but the one bottle I had took a good two hours open to get going. Super tight and compact but also real depth that comes out to play.

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#1435 Post by Phil T r o t t e r » August 24th, 2020, 8:34 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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Tried to have some Champagne tonight for our 31st wedding anniversary. In 2020 style it was corked.
Unfortunately my only bottle from this producer.
I tried the Clandestin Les Semblables 2017 last night. It's a mouthful of red fruits, hint of spice with a salty finish. It's got vigorous fine bubbles and although it feels young, it's really fun to drink right now. I was thinking of aging my other bottles for a few years but here's a picture of the cork a couple of minutes after it was pulled out (expanded):

2017 Champagne Clandestin Champagne Les Semblables - France, Champagne (8/23/2020)
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As anybody seen this before? One of the cork disks simply fell apart (unglued). Should this be a concern in regards to cork quality for this producer? Especially also considering that D@vid had a corked bottle.

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#1436 Post by Diane Kessler » August 24th, 2020, 9:03 am

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 4:41 pm
Diane Kessler wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 11:46 am
A friend came for dinner yesterday and brought a bottle of 2002 Piper Heidsieck Rare. My first time having it and I was impressed. Wonderfully rich and toasty.
Diane,
Coincidentally, I had this last night as well! Your's if an apt description. Mine is in a separate thread.
Garish bottle, great wine.
Cheers,
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Warren, I saw your note after I posted mine. Happy Anniversary!

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#1437 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 26th, 2020, 9:20 am

Anyone have a view on the Baron Rothschild champagne?
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#1438 Post by Phil T r o t t e r » August 26th, 2020, 11:22 am

Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 8:34 am
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As anybody seen this before? One of the cork disks simply fell apart (unglued). Should this be a concern in regards to cork quality for this producer? Especially also considering that D@vid had a corked bottle.
I contacted the Domaine (Benoit Doussot) with this picture and apparently this cork fault is called "chevillage". They mentioned that this is the first time this fault has been reported on the corks they use. They use "Fleur" quality corks (I think from Amorim) that are visually inspected and approved. So M. Doussoit thinks this is a one off but will still discuss this with the bouchonnier. He is reassuring me that we should not see similar faults with other bottles. I'm a reassured and will let my other bottles rest a while.

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#1439 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 26th, 2020, 11:32 am

Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
August 26th, 2020, 11:22 am
Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 8:34 am
20200823_161912.jpg

As anybody seen this before? One of the cork disks simply fell apart (unglued). Should this be a concern in regards to cork quality for this producer? Especially also considering that D@vid had a corked bottle.
I contacted the Domaine (Benoit Doussot) with this picture and apparently this cork fault is called "chevillage". They mentioned that this is the first time this fault has been reported on the corks they use. They use "Fleur" quality corks (I think from Amorim) that are visually inspected and approved. So M. Doussoit thinks this is a one off but will still discuss this with the bouchonnier. He is reassuring me that we should not see similar faults with other bottles. I'm a reassured and will let my other bottles rest a while.
Never seen that before either. Thanks for posting!
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#1440 Post by J. Rock » August 28th, 2020, 11:21 am

I think I want to try Agrapart for the first time tonight. I'm tempted to jump right in with the L'Avizoise but the 2011 (for $109) is the only one they have by me and I'm concerned that the poor vintage would make this a poor introduction to Agrapart. Do you think I'd be better off going with the 2011 L'Avizoise or would I get a better intro to this producer with the most recent Terroirs Grand Cru NV?
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#1441 Post by Brad Baker » August 28th, 2020, 12:15 pm

Agrapart actually made some very nice 2011s. A step up from his 2010s and I have seen some folks prefer his 2011s to his 2012s (I am not one of them). Don't avoid Agrapart in 2011. Of recent releases, the star is 2013, but, really, 2010 was the only year that I thought the wines were a bit boring.

As for what Agrapart is all about, I think you get a good feel with the NV Terroirs and vintaged Mineral more than anything else, but have always found it fascinating to try (from the same vintage) Mineral, Avizoise, and Venus side-by-side. My personal favorites are Mineral and Avizoise though the two are quite different wines with Avizoise being bigger and richer compared to the more classical, elegant style of the Mineral.
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#1442 Post by Blake Brown » August 29th, 2020, 10:48 am

Extracted from a soon to be posted thread:

"I took the 3rd of 3 potentially great champagnes I purchased recently in hopes of discovering some viable bottles and obtaining more, but the 85` Cristal Rose was severely oxidized and the 86` Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Rose was undrinkable thus my hopes for the 82` Salon was not all that high; nonetheless, in the wine bag. I took a dependable backup just in case.

1982 SALON CUVEE `S` LE MESNIL BLANC de BLANC- when I first looked at this bottle at the time of purchase, there was no sign of leakage, cork push or any indication that it was flawed or had been mishandled; however, the cork split in half when pulled and there were no bubbles, the first clues that is was not good; once poured, the browning amber color confirmed we had some issues; the nose and taste were proof this was severely oxidized to the point that it could be labeled an Amontallado with an emphasis on almonds and hazelnuts; for some, that may be pleasing, but I’m not a fan nor were the others at the table.

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2006 DOM RUINART BLANC de BLANC BRUT- disgorged 12/ 2016 with 4.5 gpl dosage; comprised of Chardonnay Grands Crus: 63% from the Côte des Blancs (predominantly Chouilly, Le Mesnil and Avize) and 37% from the northern slope of the Montagne de Reims (predominantly Sillery and Puisieulx); this bottle was consistent with previous bottles from the same batch; there is a sense of royalty in the nose with inviting aromas of spicy citrus which on the palate turns out to include lemon, apple and white nectarine; it has body and a luscious mousse, amazing balance and bright acidity; it’s all I ever desire in a champagne and exudes class along with its charming elegance."
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#1443 Post by J. Rock » August 29th, 2020, 11:52 am

Thanks, Blake!

I went with the 2011 Agrapart Champagne Grand Cru Avizoise Blanc de Blancs, especially because as I'm reading Peter Liem's and starting to explore Champagne more seriously, I wanted to really taste a site specific terroir.

It's a great wine with some good complexity, even if somewhat subtlety so, and a lot of finesse. One the palate, there's some nice orchard fruit and a bit of bread crust, all surrounded by a cushion of white flower petals and soft chalk. Stylistically, I found it to be lighter bodied and less rich than what I typically prefer in Champagne (which didn't surprise me), although I think this would be stellar with sushi (and it was wonderful, not surprisingly, with my fried chicken). Great wine and great learning experience, but not really what I'm looking for when spending $100+ on a bottle of Champagne (although, I tend to like Champagne with more age on it, so perhaps it'd hit its stride for me down the road).
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#1444 Post by Phil T r o t t e r » August 29th, 2020, 6:05 pm

2009 Vincent Couche Champagne Extra Brut - France, Champagne (8/28/2020)
70% Pinot Noir, 30% Chardonnay, 15% aged in oak, disgorged: 08 Feb. 2019
This is the latest vintage I have seen for sale around here following the 2004 (or 2003?) and 2007 which I found were great QPR. This one does not hit the mark. Lots of reduction upon opening and even after getting some air, the nose is not attractive: red apple, some red berries and an out of place yeast aroma (stale beer?). The palate is missing concentration: the entry is on red fruits, there is some creaminess and the bubbles have vigor but there is bitterness that is simply not welcome. It's rather short as well. Don't know if this is a bad bottle or the vintage since it's my first 2009. I'll wait for another year or two to pop another but this was not an enjoyable experience.

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#1445 Post by Blake Brown » August 29th, 2020, 6:13 pm

Again, this is an extract from a thread just posted today:

2006 DOM PERIGNON- I’ve had many a bottle of this vintage and enjoyed every one, but none as much as this one; following the Dom Ruinart, it held its own and even presented a distinguished profile that placed it on its own pedestal; the hallmark was its balance and elegance; lovely fresh citrus fruit prevailed in the aromatics and taste along with its bright acidity, creamy mousse, richness and yes, that statement of class and elegance; the steady stream of pleasurable nuances from the nose through the tail generated high praise throughout the evening.

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#1446 Post by Andrew K. » September 5th, 2020, 1:09 pm

2008 Cristal this afternoon. Surprisingly I think my first taste of Cristal ever.

2008 Louis Roederer Champagne Cristal Brut - France, Champagne (9/5/2020)
Brioche toast and yeasty notes on the nose. Secondary notes of orange blossom and citrus rind. More orange zest on the palate with a strong backbone of acidity. Good weight and well integrated mouthfeel. Well balanced with a lingering tartness. Very young, but has the stuffing to continue to improve for many years. (95 pts.)
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#1447 Post by AD Northup » September 5th, 2020, 5:53 pm

2013 Pierre Paillard Les Mottelettes Grand Cru BdB
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#1448 Post by Blake Brown » September 5th, 2020, 5:54 pm

Extracted from a thread I posted earlier today with much more preface to the notes:

1995 de VENOGE BRUT LOUIS XV- packaged in a spectacular clear glass bottle, this is a 50% blend of Chardonnay and Pinot Noir sourced from numerous Grand Cru plots; the first important discovery was seeing the bright yellow color when poured, not gold, not amber, not brown, but yellow; I took a breath and then went for the aromatics and found wondrous spicy citrus notes, not almonds and hazelnuts, not butterscotch and caramel, not super sweet, but just right and I took another breath; on the palate came more of the lightly spiced citrus with lemon and lime most prevalent and hints of green apple and pear in the background; even better, it had lovely feel, stately elegance and maintained a steady balance of integrity throughout. Now, I’m hyperventilating. OK, this is not 40-50+ years old, but at least it was in a perfect place for my delicate palate and I stuck up a fist of celebration and screamed out “Yes!” which got some strange looks from our hosts who were unaware of my last few disastrous bottles.

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#1449 Post by Al Osterheld » September 5th, 2020, 6:13 pm

Probably got that at Total Wine? They carry tons of de Venoge, haven't tried one (dual suspicions for TW selection and the fancy bottles).

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#1450 Post by Warren Taranow » September 5th, 2020, 7:29 pm

Blake Brown wrote:
September 5th, 2020, 5:54 pm
1995 de VENOGE BRUT LOUIS XV- packaged in a spectacular clear glass bottle, this is a 50% blend of Chardonnay and Pinot Noir sourced from numerous Grand Cru plots...

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Blake,
I went through a half dozen of the 1996’s I bought from Envoyer for $89.99 in 2017. I thought they were amazing for the price, but not for the current rates. The “I Dream of Jeannie” crystal bottle was cool, but hard to store. I think I kept an empty as a bud vase.
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