Which Champagne are you drinking?

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#2501 Post by Jayson Cohen »

A few:
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A couple more:
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#2504 Post by Blake Brown »

2008 LOUIS ROEDERER CRISTAL BRUT- 60% Pinot Noir, 40% Chardonnay; bottle aged for 8 years and then held at least an additional 8 months after disgorging; I opened way too many bottles of this when I first purchased it and they were just not ready, but now it’s less restrained and giving up some more of the massive treasures that were strongly suggested in the first 5; it`s big, it’s rich. it’s full bodied, it’s nicely balanced, it’s stupendous; the nose had fresh and ripe citrus notes which translated into lemon, lime and green apple on the palate; there’s a bit of saline and hint of spice as well, but it’s all of the texture, power and sophistication that truly distinguishes this from just another spectacular champagne.

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Jayson Cohen wrote: October 10th, 2021, 8:37 am 2016:
You had a great weekend!

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Blake Brown wrote: October 10th, 2021, 8:41 am 2008 LOUIS ROEDERER CRISTAL BRUT- 60% Pinot Noir, 40% Chardonnay; bottle aged for 8 years and then held at least an additional 8 months after disgorging; I opened way too many bottles of this when I first purchased it and they were just not ready, but now it’s less restrained and giving up some more of the massive treasures that were strongly suggested in the first 5; it`s big, it’s rich. it’s full bodied, it’s nicely balanced, it’s stupendous; the nose had fresh and ripe citrus notes which translated into lemon, lime and green apple on the palate; there’s a bit of saline and hint of spice as well, but it’s all of the texture, power and sophistication that truly distinguishes this from just another spectacular champagne.

Cheers,
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Great description, great Champagne.

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Jon Lawrence wrote: October 10th, 2021, 10:21 am
Jayson Cohen wrote: October 10th, 2021, 8:37 am 2016:
You had a great weekend!
It’s not over. 😉

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Jon Lawrence wrote: October 10th, 2021, 8:20 am
Blake Brown wrote: October 10th, 2021, 8:16 am
Warren Taranow wrote: October 9th, 2021, 10:29 pm In flight, on our way to Paris and Champagne, Delta served 2 plastic cups of Canard-Duchêne Cuvèe Leonie. Let’s just say it won’t be in running for the top champagne this holiday. Last time we flew British Air (pre-pandemic) they served Laurent Perrier Grand Siecle. Either Delta is tightening its belts due to pandemic losses, or they need to up their wine game. Actually, the champagne wasn’t too bad for what it was.
I hope to post a travelogue on a new thread.
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Were those cups from Rieldel? Looking forward to your notes. Have a fabulous trip.
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#2510 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum »

Warren Taranow wrote: October 9th, 2021, 10:29 pm In flight, on our way to Paris and Champagne, Delta served 2 plastic cups of Canard-Duchêne Cuvèe Leonie. Let’s just say it won’t be in running for the top champagne this holiday. Last time we flew British Air (pre-pandemic) they served Laurent Perrier Grand Siecle. Either Delta is tightening its belts due to pandemic losses, or they need to up their wine game. Actually, the champagne wasn’t too bad for what it was.
I hope to post a travelogue on a new thread.
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We now travel with a 2 pack of Riedel Os in my carryon. I have used them on countless flights now, as I can't do plastic cups.
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twice last week. So enjoyable. Joyful fruit. Version 18.
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Tonight. A little too much red apple in this bottling.
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alan weinberg wrote: October 10th, 2021, 7:16 pm AFB6E04A-3F39-40B1-A6C5-F7A177E23328.jpegTonight. A little too much red apple in this bottling.
Darn it! I just ordered a couple last week!
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Warren Taranow wrote: October 10th, 2021, 7:38 pm
alan weinberg wrote: October 10th, 2021, 7:16 pm AFB6E04A-3F39-40B1-A6C5-F7A177E23328.jpegTonight. A little too much red apple in this bottling.
Darn it! I just ordered a couple last week!
It may just be Alan’s bottle. I had this in May for my birthday, and it was stunning, with subtle apple. It was so good, I placed an order for more.

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2006 Billecart-Salmon Cuvee Louis

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Russell Faulkner wrote: October 10th, 2021, 12:26 pm D87AB503-E5DE-4285-86B7-3A3D0744101B.jpeg
You keep posting pics of champagnes I've not had but with no notes. Please add notes! inquiring minds want to know!
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Russell Faulkner wrote: October 10th, 2021, 12:26 pm D87AB503-E5DE-4285-86B7-3A3D0744101B.jpeg
Hey Russel, if you have a sec could post some general impressions of this please?
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I don’t really take notes intended for others much. But:
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Russell Faulkner wrote: October 11th, 2021, 8:57 am I don’t really take notes intended for others much.
Thanks. Those were perfect!
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Russell Faulkner wrote: October 11th, 2021, 8:57 am I don’t really take notes intended for others much. But:
Here's the opposite of a picture representing a thousand words. Appreciate it.
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Had a quick getaway weekend in New England and around Boston. Went to a decent farm to table restaurant and had a decent meal. Eye opener was the small but well prepared wine list selling "Dom Perignon . . . . . $130". Wut? I felt so shameful asking if the price was correct or a misprint. Oh no, it's correct. Okay well fire it up. Waitress comes back and presents 2010 Dom Perignon and it was on the bill for $130. Cool. That's the cheapest I've paid for Dom at a restaurant since I used to eat fried chicken at Max's in Dallas and drink 2002 Dom for less than $200.

Next night was in Boston and grabbed a bottle of Moet from the bar for the same price, $130. Sigh.

2010 Dom Perignon - A very good Dom, if not quite a great Dom. Lovely pear, lemon, lime sorbet, mineral, honeysuckle, and a faint hit of ginger. A bump of almond. Very nice creamy mousse lifted by lime and floral notes. Racy acidity and nice balance. This is below 08 and 02, but is really pretty lovely. Is this the best champagne deal I've ever had at a restaurant? For $130 I think so, yes. In that 94-95 range for me. Very enjoyable.

Moet et Chandon Imperial Brut - A richer profile of apricot, peach, apple, and lemon with shortbread and spice. The mousse here is copious and intense to the point of distracting. Like drinking a coke. Make you burp, a lot. The flavor profile is actually not unpleasant and somewhat enjoyable, if not for a faint bitter note on the finish that didn't want to quit. Overall, okay. If served at an event or party, this would be pleasant enough. But I won't spend money on this unless I'm trying to drink champagne, don't want to leave the hotel, and don't want to spend $400 for a bottle of Dom that I bought at a restaurant the night before for $130. 88-89 for me.
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#2522 Post by K John Joseph »

This weekend is wine dork getaway with some of the boys. The champagnes are going to be rowdy. I'm very excited. Should be teeing up these 2002s for a little battle on Thursday or Friday evening. I've got one more I might toss in. I'll write up a Blake Brown inspired report soon!

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2014 Cedric Bouchard Cote de Bechalin. Chalky, mineral, grapefruit, orange, baking spice. Dry finish, showing the no dosage. Drank over 2 nights and was much better on the 2nd night.
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Jon Lawrence wrote: October 11th, 2021, 6:24 pm 2014 Cedric Bouchard Cote de Bechalin. Chalky, mineral, grapefruit, orange, baking spice. Dry finish, showing the no dosage. Drank over 2 nights and was much better on the 2nd night.
One of the dinner conversations Saturday night was how much we hate the new label. And how hard to read it is. But good to hear the juice inside is (still) good.

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Anybody had the Charles Heidsieck Brut Rosé Reserve (2014) offered by envoyer today?
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Blake Brown wrote: August 8th, 2021, 11:21 am 2008 BOLLINGER LA GRANDE ANNEE BRUT- disgorged 10/18 at 8 gpl; made from 71% Pinot Noir, 29% Chardonnay sourced from 18 different Grand and 1er Cru vineyards; this is big, rich, powerful and totally approachable now as it has so much to offer, but so much more evolution to go through; toasty brioche provides a perfect accent to the yellow peach, apricot, honeysuckle and lemon zest; it has a creamy mousse and a long, sustained finish to confirm its seriousness; this is my 2nd bottle with consistent notes which strongly suggests holding off and opening up the next bottle in 3-5 years; wish me luck.


2008 PIPER HEIDSIECK RARE BRUT MILLESIME- following the 08` Bollie GA, this was quite the antithesis; 70% Chardonnay, 30% Pinot Noir from 11 crus including Villers-Marmery, Vertus, Montgueux for Chardonnay and Aÿ, Verzy and Ambonnay for Pinot Noir; sees no oak, but full ML; it had tart tropical and citrus fruit notes with sour lemon, kumquat, tangerine and honeydew melon most noticeable along with a streak of mint, licorice and ginger; this is medium to full bodied, has a nice frothy mousse and bright acidity; for me, it’s better served with a good chill on it which gives it more crispiness and cut.

I'm quite interested in purchasing both of these wines. Which one do you think is better? I'm partial to both bottlings in other vintages. Just had the 2000/2004 Bolly and 2002/2006 rare. Which would you target, assuming about the same price point? Does the rare need as much time as the Bollinger?
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Jayson Cohen wrote: October 11th, 2021, 7:52 pm
Jon Lawrence wrote: October 11th, 2021, 6:24 pm 2014 Cedric Bouchard Cote de Bechalin. Chalky, mineral, grapefruit, orange, baking spice. Dry finish, showing the no dosage. Drank over 2 nights and was much better on the 2nd night.
One of the dinner conversations Saturday night was how much we hate the new label. And how hard to read it is. But good to hear the juice inside is (still) good.
Exactly. I used to think the old label was tough to read, then they came up with the new label and made it even tougher. I had to look at my invoice to confirm what I was drinking.

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Neal.Mollen wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:20 am Anybody had the Charles Heidsieck Brut Rosé Reserve (2014) offered by envoyer today?
Neal,

I wondered the same thing while sitting on the fence for this one...

Have you jumped in?

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John A Hunt wrote: October 13th, 2021, 6:22 am
Neal.Mollen wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:20 am Anybody had the Charles Heidsieck Brut Rosé Reserve (2014) offered by envoyer today?
Neal,

I wondered the same thing while sitting on the fence for this one...

Have you jumped in?
Nope. But Saratoga has it for $49
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2002 Cristal... This will get a separate thread later as we are drinking a ton of bottles, but I had to get this one up here right away...

This was completely amazing! I was a little worried when the cork slipped out rather easily, and with barely a whisper. Then Kaboom!, the first taste. This looks in the perfect place as it has qualities of age, AND a gorgeous youthful exuberance! The color was gorgeous when the first glass was poured, it was kind of like a glistening mineral stew. Then there was the beautiful nose, where I smelled pretty traces of chalky limestone, and cistern perceptions, and hints of pretty red fruits like strawberry, and dried fruits, and most compelling dried apple cider aroma (Kane's note) which carried this wine completely to amazing and beyond. In the mouth, it just got better, as it presented creamy, with plenty of mousse, and gobs of tart orchard fruit, and berry fruit skins, and so much mineral, again with the apple cider and a core of vinous perfection, that left me wanting! This is truly a mind blowing show stopper. Also, it makes me marvel at Champagne, can mature rather quickly in the collector's lifetime and reward so much after 20 years!!! Kane's Bottle. 98-99
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  • 2012 José Michel & Fils Champagne Blanc de Blancs Brut Clos Saint Jean - France, Champagne (10/14/2021)
    This is a guzzler champs here...before you know it, it's GONE! Pretty little lieu dit vintage wine...dosage 9 g/l...it is bright and zesty yellow apple and fuzzy peach fruits...little sour skin bite to it, which I like...really refreshing and zesty with lemon citrus...nice calming wet bread dough mousse...little almond liqueur...really like the "salt on a ripe peach" salinity to sweet...lip smacking tartness makes you pucker with joy! Easy drinkin...no hard edges...not too sweet...pretty florals and lees...refreshing Champagne that won't even make a dent, let alone tickle, your bank account! Fun wine! (93 pts.)
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2008 Larmandier-Bernier Vieille Vigne du Levant
Surprised by how much breadth and richness this showed, could have been that it was served at cellar temp plus; all very pretty with sweet citrus fruit and hints of toast and florals; there is an underlying acidity to give this shape but it's well hidden beneath the flesh; clear step up vs. the 2009 tasted a couple of years back, which was curiously lacking in excitement; very easy to drink indeed, especially with the sushi; good
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2012 Vilmart & Cie Champagne Premier Cru Grand Cellier d'Or - France, Champagne, Champagne Premier Cru (15/10/2021)
Picked this for Esora because I thought it would go well with food and was amply rewarded. Was also lucky that my bottle was more open for business than previous notes suggested. Round and fleshy fruit of mainly green apples, a superb backbone of zippy acidity. Sometimes Vilmart can come across as a little direct but this had good concentration and purity of fruit with a layered finish. Liked this a lot.
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Drappier brut nature ‘sans ajout de soufre’
As mentioned upthread this was mixed in by mistake with some regular Drappier brut nature bottles, I was dying to open this. This had some serious funk when it was first open, it blew off immediately-as quickly as I’ve ever experienced. Beautiful tropical fruit on the palette with a distinctive kiwi note, very very soft bubbles, I’d say medium minus acidity which I was surprised by. Lovely bottle, but not 100% sure I’d ever buy again.
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#2535 Post by B. Davies »

Which Philipponnat should I pick up for New Years. I've been teetering between the grand cru and the rose. The clos des goisses might be a little out of my budget that I want to spend.
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#2536 Post by Warren Taranow »

Here's a big bolus of Krug notes, partially lifted from my travelogue.

2006 Krug Champagne Vintage Brut
Like a tempestuous teenager strutting their stuff. It's an open, fruity, generous wine, round and bold. A vintage to drink now, but will last.

NV Krug Champagne Brut Grande Cuvée Edition 162eme
Much more precise and fresher than the 2006 Brut. This is a beautiful elegant GC, still very young. Citrus, brioche, hazelnut.

2008 Krug Champagne Vintage Brut
This will be stunning in time, but it seems a bit wasteful to open now. Initially, the nose was nearly absent. Coaxing, swirling and waiting brought grapefruit and lime, and a little hazelnut. The palate was more giving than the nose. The mouthfeel was intense, but the wine was still reticent, tight and strict.
This is a structured and acidic Krug. None of the typical richness or toasty notes are evident yet. Despite the austerity, the finish was long, and the fabric of a great champagne is evident.

NV Krug Champagne Brut Grande Cuvee Edition 169eme
This was my first time trying the 169 eme. Another Krug showing generous acidic cut, it also showed citrus, almonds and hazelnut, and some autolytic notes.

NV Krug Champagne Brut Rose Edition 24eme
Elegant and very floral. Grapefruit and faint red berries, this is bold enough to accompany some dense meals[/list]
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#2537 Post by K John Joseph »

Had a long weekend with Todd French, Jorge Henriquez, Charlie Carnes, and Robert Alfert and Casa de Carnes (or The Meats Manor) in Highlands, NC. Stunning views, great hikes, a freezing cold dip in a waterfall pool, college football, and great cooking and camaraderie. And we drank a lot of champagne. It was grand. We had a bunch of different styles and blends, and it was really neat to get to compare so many different great wines. Here are the notes pulled from the other atrociously but comedically named "Mountain Jamboree" thread. These were over three days.

Day 1:
2002 Cristal - I was concerned about the soft whisper on open, but it poured with a nice mousse and the color was great. Beautiful white peach, mineral, hint of fresh pressed cider (not oxidative/Sherry) hint of spice and nice biscuit. Just gorgeous. 96-97

2002 Billecart Salmon Clos St Hilaire - lovely expression of BDN. Good richness with white cherry, ginger, hint of spice and marzipan. Really vibrant with great acidity and a lively mousse. Vivacious and can continue to age. 95-96

2007 Dom Ruinart - I really like this wine. Cool Asian pear and white flowers, hint of flint and mint, lemon. It’s a nice wine. Maybe not quite up there with the first two, but it’s delicious. 93-94

2008 Jerome Blin Les Caillasses - okay I was pretty ripped for this one but it was really good and 08 is quickly becoming my favorite vintage. This is 50-50 chard and pinot meunier and it’s all shining. Great citrus and spice and meunier funk and orchard fruit. At least that’s what I recall. 93ish? I admit this was later in a night that also involved Glendronach 21, a couple nips of Compass Box Myths and Legends II and III, and some peach moonshine.

Day 2:
Laherte Freres A Chavot Ultradition Rose An interesting and fun starter made of 100% meunier. Musky peach, pomegranate and lemon with some spicy notes. Very nice, if a bit less complex than some of the other wines we've been drinking. Lovely wine for enjoying the truly spectacular view on Carnes's porch. 90-91

2002 Dom Perignon P2 Holy shit the density and intensity on this champagne is unreal. The color is intensely yellow. The nose is a hair shy at first but opens up to intense lemon oil, chalky minerality, ginger, and kiwi with a tiny hint of lemongrass. This is so packed with intensity. I think this is really phenomenal stuff. So dense, so fresh, so intense, citric and just killer. A ball of vinous energy. Phenomenal. Where the Cristal is open and lush and fruity and giving, this is a dense ball of verve and bright energy. Stunning. Can age another 20 years. 97-98.

Day 3:
2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne I love a good blanc de blanc and A. Weinberg is right that this is so freaking good now. It's bright, intense, and giving all at the same time. Bright citrus, mandarin, ginger, hit of shortbread. Great energy, but expressive, bright fruit. It's so good and fresh. Nice spice on the back end. 95-96ish. Yum.

2002 Krug Oh my goodness we're drinking such good champagne this trip. This is showing a slightly more oxidative style, but it is also fresh with an interesting combination of lemon, lemon curd, biscuit, baked spiced apples, hint of oak and peach. This is so structured and actually has tannins. Acidity that makes my mouth water, with a hint of tannins that dries things out. 95-96 too. Tough to pick a favorite. This Krug is a long hauler. If you're looking for a Krug to age decades, I think this might be it.

2002 Billecart Salmon Cuvee Nicolas Francois - This is just a leesy, rich, delicious gem of a champagne showing notes of lemon curd, fresh baked yeast roll, apples, orange marmalade, honeysuckle and nuts, with a hint of minerality and bright acidity to keep the richness in balance. It is rich, but it is bright and lively. A leesy style, and an absolutely delicious one. Always delivers, and maybe the most overlooked of all of the 2002s. 95-96 range.

I thought the 2002 Dom P2 and the 2002 Cristal were perhaps the best, with like the other 3 2002s in a near dead heat. The 2002 Clos St. Hilaire may be a better long hauler than the Nicolas Francois, though not as long haul as 2002 Krug, but I'm not sure I love the BdN style quite as much as the leesy chard infused goodness of the Nicolas Francois. It's just so dang giving and enjoyable. The Krug may be easily the best wine in 20 years if I had to guess. But I like champagne pretty young and these kicked ass.

1982 Taittinger Collection - 40% chardonnay from grand crus, and 60% pinot noir "of outstanding quality." This was a massive bottle with Andre Masson surreal art wrapped around the bottle. The art was produced for Taittinger just months before Masson died. The wine was interesting, if faded and lacking the complexity of the slew of amazing 2002s we had. This is soft yellow-orange in color with very little remaining mousse. There is a little funk that blew off, leaving pleasant lemon, orange candy, nuts, some leesy notes, and a bit of orange blossom on the finish. Rich and a bit sweet. Enjoyable, but not excellent. I would not advise buying this and if you have any, it's not going to improve. Drink up while it still has a little bit of energy left.
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K John Joseph wrote: October 18th, 2021, 2:34 pm Had a long weekend with Todd French, Jorge Henriquez, Charlie Carnes, and Robert Alfert and Casa de Carnes (or The Meats Manor) in Highlands, NC. Stunning views, great hikes, a freezing cold dip in a waterfall pool, college football, and great cooking and camaraderie. And we drank a lot of champagne. It was grand. We had a bunch of different styles and blends, and it was really neat to get to compare so many different great wines. Here are the notes pulled from the other atrociously but comedically named "Mountain Jamboree" thread. These were over three days.

Day 1:
2002 Cristal - I was concerned about the soft whisper on open, but it poured with a nice mousse and the color was great. Beautiful white peach, mineral, hint of fresh pressed cider (not oxidative/Sherry) hint of spice and nice biscuit. Just gorgeous. 96-97

2002 Billecart Salmon Clos St Hilaire - lovely expression of BDN. Good richness with white cherry, ginger, hint of spice and marzipan. Really vibrant with great acidity and a lively mousse. Vivacious and can continue to age. 95-96

2007 Dom Ruinart - I really like this wine. Cool Asian pear and white flowers, hint of flint and mint, lemon. It’s a nice wine. Maybe not quite up there with the first two, but it’s delicious. 93-94

2008 Jerome Blin Les Caillasses - okay I was pretty ripped for this one but it was really good and 08 is quickly becoming my favorite vintage. This is 50-50 chard and pinot meunier and it’s all shining. Great citrus and spice and meunier funk and orchard fruit. At least that’s what I recall. 93ish? I admit this was later in a night that also involved Glendronach 21, a couple nips of Compass Box Myths and Legends II and III, and some peach moonshine.

Day 2:
Laherte Freres A Chavot Ultradition Rose An interesting and fun starter made of 100% meunier. Musky peach, pomegranate and lemon with some spicy notes. Very nice, if a bit less complex than some of the other wines we've been drinking. Lovely wine for enjoying the truly spectacular view on Carnes's porch. 90-91

2002 Dom Perignon P2 Holy shit the density and intensity on this champagne is unreal. The color is intensely yellow. The nose is a hair shy at first but opens up to intense lemon oil, chalky minerality, ginger, and kiwi with a tiny hint of lemongrass. This is so packed with intensity. I think this is really phenomenal stuff. So dense, so fresh, so intense, citric and just killer. A ball of vinous energy. Phenomenal. Where the Cristal is open and lush and fruity and giving, this is a dense ball of verve and bright energy. Stunning. Can age another 20 years. 97-98.

Day 3:
2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne I love a good blanc de blanc and A. Weinberg is right that this is so freaking good now. It's bright, intense, and giving all at the same time. Bright citrus, mandarin, ginger, hit of shortbread. Great energy, but expressive, bright fruit. It's so good and fresh. Nice spice on the back end. 95-96ish. Yum.

2002 Krug Oh my goodness we're drinking such good champagne this trip. This is showing a slightly more oxidative style, but it is also fresh with an interesting combination of lemon, lemon curd, biscuit, baked spiced apples, hint of oak and peach. This is so structured and actually has tannins. Acidity that makes my mouth water, with a hint of tannins that dries things out. 95-96 too. Tough to pick a favorite. This Krug is a long hauler. If you're looking for a Krug to age decades, I think this might be it.

2002 Billecart Salmon Cuvee Nicolas Francois - This is just a leesy, rich, delicious gem of a champagne showing notes of lemon curd, fresh baked yeast roll, apples, orange marmalade, honeysuckle and nuts, with a hint of minerality and bright acidity to keep the richness in balance. It is rich, but it is bright and lively. A leesy style, and an absolutely delicious one. Always delivers, and maybe the most overlooked of all of the 2002s. 95-96 range.

I thought the 2002 Dom P2 and the 2002 Cristal were perhaps the best, with like the other 3 2002s in a near dead heat. The 2002 Clos St. Hilaire may be a better long hauler than the Nicolas Francois, though not as long haul as 2002 Krug, but I'm not sure I love the BdN style quite as much as the leesy chard infused goodness of the Nicolas Francois. It's just so dang giving and enjoyable. The Krug may be easily the best wine in 20 years if I had to guess. But I like champagne pretty young and these kicked ass.

1982 Taittinger Collection - 40% chardonnay from grand crus, and 60% pinot noir "of outstanding quality." This was a massive bottle with Andre Masson surreal art wrapped around the bottle. The art was produced for Taittinger just months before Masson died. The wine was interesting, if faded and lacking the complexity of the slew of amazing 2002s we had. This is soft yellow-orange in color with very little remaining mousse. There is a little funk that blew off, leaving pleasant lemon, orange candy, nuts, some leesy notes, and a bit of orange blossom on the finish. Rich and a bit sweet. Enjoyable, but not excellent. I would not advise buying this and if you have any, it's not going to improve. Drink up while it still has a little bit of energy left.
Damn, well done! Great notes. You don’t see a tasting like that everyday. Lots of favorites and some “wish I had” wines there.

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It was interesting to me how bad the NV wines stuck out like a sore thumb. Well the Selosse was flat out yuck! But the fine LF, even after a long thirst inducing hike, with a bunch of amazing caviar, didn’t really go well. Once we had the taste for the great vintage stuff on our brains! Wonder if others have found this to be true.
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Charlie Carnes wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:55 am It was interesting to me how bad the NV wines stuck out like a sore thumb. Well the Selosse was flat out yuck! But the fine LF, even after a long thirst inducing hike, with a bunch of amazing caviar, didn’t really go well. Once we had the taste for the great vintage stuff on our brains! Wonder if others have found this to be true.
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K John Joseph wrote: October 18th, 2021, 2:34 pm
2002 Dom Perignon P2 Holy shit the density and intensity on this champagne is unreal. The color is intensely yellow. The nose is a hair shy at first but opens up to intense lemon oil, chalky minerality, ginger, and kiwi with a tiny hint of lemongrass. This is so packed with intensity. I think this is really phenomenal stuff. So dense, so fresh, so intense, citric and just killer. A ball of vinous energy. Phenomenal. Where the Cristal is open and lush and fruity and giving, this is a dense ball of verve and bright energy. Stunning. Can age another 20 years. 97-98.
Ha, like comparing me to you!

Was a remarkable champagne, needs time for my palate. It was a powerhouse. The 2000 that I had a few months ago was more open, but I got the sense that this one will hit higher highs and into your scoring range. For now, the Cristal was my fave.
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Charlie Carnes wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:55 am It was interesting to me how bad the NV wines stuck out like a sore thumb. Well the Selosse was flat out yuck! But the fine LF, even after a long thirst inducing hike, with a bunch of amazing caviar, didn’t really go well. Once we had the taste for the great vintage stuff on our brains! Wonder if others have found this to be true.
I forgot about the Selosse Rose until your post and the pic. It was oxidative, yes, but also funky in a bad way with oxidation and nuts crushing the red fruit that can make rose exciting. It also just flat lacked the complexity or brightness of the other champagnes. The general consensus of the group was that the Selosse was the letdown of the champagne lineup and I agreed.
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Charlie Carnes wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:55 am It was interesting to me how bad the NV wines stuck out like a sore thumb. Well the Selosse was flat out yuck! But the fine LF, even after a long thirst inducing hike, with a bunch of amazing caviar, didn’t really go well. Once we had the taste for the great vintage stuff on our brains! Wonder if others have found this to be true.
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It sounds like that was true of this tasting and might be true in general. However, before painting in broad strokes of vintage versus MV, I’d want to compare some similarly aged tête de cuvèe MV’s like Krug GC, LP Grand Siecle, and Clouet 1911. I haven’t done that, but it sure would be fun.
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B. Davies wrote: October 17th, 2021, 2:33 pm Which Philipponnat should I pick up for New Years. I've been teetering between the grand cru and the rose. The clos des goisses might be a little out of my budget that I want to spend.
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Warren Taranow wrote: October 19th, 2021, 2:09 pm
Charlie Carnes wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:55 am It was interesting to me how bad the NV wines stuck out like a sore thumb. Well the Selosse was flat out yuck! But the fine LF, even after a long thirst inducing hike, with a bunch of amazing caviar, didn’t really go well. Once we had the taste for the great vintage stuff on our brains! Wonder if others have found this to be true.
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It sounds like that was true of this tasting and might be true in general. However, before painting in broad strokes of vintage versus MV, I’d want to compare some similarly aged tête de cuvèe MV’s like Krug GC, LP Grand Siecle, and Clouet 1911. I haven’t done that, but it sure would be fun.
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I don't think Clouet would stand a chance, but I do think that Grand Siecle and Krug could play ball for sure.
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K John Joseph wrote: October 19th, 2021, 2:40 pm
Warren Taranow wrote: October 19th, 2021, 2:09 pm
Charlie Carnes wrote: October 19th, 2021, 4:55 am It was interesting to me how bad the NV wines stuck out like a sore thumb. Well the Selosse was flat out yuck! But the fine LF, even after a long thirst inducing hike, with a bunch of amazing caviar, didn’t really go well. Once we had the taste for the great vintage stuff on our brains! Wonder if others have found this to be true.
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It sounds like that was true of this tasting and might be true in general. However, before painting in broad strokes of vintage versus MV, I’d want to compare some similarly aged tête de cuvèe MV’s like Krug GC, LP Grand Siecle, and Clouet 1911. I haven’t done that, but it sure would be fun.
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I don't think Clouet would stand a chance, but I do think that Grand Siecle and Krug could play ball for sure.
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Last year I had a few 1911’s from the ‘90s that were outstanding, but admittedly, that’s tough competition.
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I tried my first 1911 earlier this year, supposed to be 2002 base, and although my family liked it I thought it was way far down the aging curve past enjoyment...oxidized, fruitless, tough. Downright weird.
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Stan Y. wrote: October 20th, 2021, 2:50 am I tried my first 1911 earlier this year, supposed to be 2002 base, and although my family liked it I thought it was way far down the aging curve past enjoyment...oxidized, fruitless, tough. Downright weird.
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My experience is limited to those three old bottles that were not my target in a mixed auction lot. They were impressive enough to start buying current releases. Here’s my TN from one of those bottles. Hopefully this strategy will pay off for me.
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#2550 Post by Russell Faulkner »

This was good but not outstanding last night, fair value around e50 (caviste price)
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