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#1 Post by Stewart Johnson » September 13th, 2015, 9:18 pm

Gilman's latest newsletter landed today, and I just turned to the "neo-traditionalist" pages. It's no surprise when Rhys grabs a bunch of raves, but the two new 2013 PN "Hillside" designates (essentially "Reserves") from Alpine and Horseshoe got a head-turning 99 and 98 points, respectively. I can't remember seeing numbers like this from him before, which is one of the reasons I take him seriously. As you'd imagine, the praise is effusive (both earn a "brilliant") and the admonishments against popping either in the near term are stern.
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#2 Post by Berry Crawford » September 13th, 2015, 10:18 pm

wow, those are really high scores from him.

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#3 Post by G. Bienstock » September 13th, 2015, 10:38 pm

Will there be 750's offered?
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#4 Post by dcornutt » September 14th, 2015, 12:55 am

That's because the wines are good.
John is very high on all of these 2013 wines from Rhys.
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#5 Post by Brady Daniels » September 14th, 2015, 1:37 am

Y'all know I hate scores, but I have to ask. Does Gilman score in peer groups or is he more of a generalist?

In other words, are these 98/99 point wines in the universe of California Pinot, or is he saying that these are of top-DRC quality?
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#6 Post by dcornutt » September 14th, 2015, 1:39 am

John is the only one who can answer this Brady.
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#7 Post by Kevin Harvey » September 14th, 2015, 6:32 am

G. Bienstock wrote:Will there be 750's offered?
Yes, they will be offered in 750ml and Magnum format.
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#8 Post by Carlos Duarte » September 14th, 2015, 6:35 am

Will these be released when they sell the Swan Terrace and Skyline? And is that after the first of the year?
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#9 Post by Kevin Harvey » September 14th, 2015, 6:39 am

Carlos Duarte wrote:Will these be released when they sell the Swan Terrace and Skyline? And is that after the first of the year?
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They will be offered in 2016. We are still considering whether they will be offered as part of the regular offering of 2013s or featured by themselves.
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#10 Post by R Roberts » September 14th, 2015, 10:27 am

Congrats, Kevin. That's quite an affirmation.

I'm sure you've answered this at least once before, but what was the production set aside for each of the Hillsides? For instance, Skyline produced 10 tons total, and of that, 0.5 tons were reserved from the hillside block for this bottling. TIA.
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#11 Post by cepotts » September 14th, 2015, 11:04 am

Rama - this thread sort of answers your question: http://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/vie ... s+hillside
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#12 Post by Kevin Harvey » September 14th, 2015, 1:09 pm

Rama Roberts wrote:Congrats, Kevin. That's quite an affirmation.

I'm sure you've answered this at least once before, but what was the production set aside for each of the Hillsides? For instance, Skyline produced 10 tons total, and of that, 0.5 tons were reserved from the hillside block for this bottling. TIA.
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The thread linked above has a longer explanation but the short answer is that the 2013 Hillsides were about 10-15% of the vineyards' production.
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#13 Post by R Roberts » September 14th, 2015, 1:22 pm

Thanks Craig and Kevin. Trying to work backwards on what to expect on allocations. ;)
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#14 Post by Kevin Harvey » September 14th, 2015, 1:54 pm

Rama Roberts wrote:Thanks Craig and Kevin. Trying to work backwards on what to expect on allocations. ;)
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The production level of both Hillsides is similar to Skyline so that is a good proxy.
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#15 Post by Gary Zimberg » September 14th, 2015, 3:27 pm

Stewart Johnson wrote:Gilman's latest newsletter landed today, and I just turned to the "neo-traditionalist" pages. It's no surprise when Rhys grabs a bunch of raves, but the two new 2013 PN "Hillside" designates (essentially "Reserves") from Alpine and Horseshoe got a head-turning 99 and 98 points, respectively. I can't remember seeing numbers like this from him before, which is one of the reasons I take him seriously. As you'd imagine, the praise is effusive (both earn a "brilliant") and the admonishments against popping either in the near term are stern.
Thanks for the heads up. As I have already gone pretty long on the Rhys 13's, I'll be very happy to go even longer once these are offered.
I am especially looking forward to the large formats...

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#16 Post by Berry Crawford » September 15th, 2015, 6:04 am

Reading through the newsletter now. He says pretty great things about Stewart's 2012 too. Calls it a "a superb bottle in the making".

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#17 Post by Chuck Anderson » September 15th, 2015, 11:21 am

Berry Crawford wrote:Reading through the newsletter now. He says pretty great things about Stewart's 2012 too. Calls it a "a superb bottle in the making".
Thanks Berry, you've prodded me to go read it. I share John's fondness for several of Stew's previous releases.

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#18 Post by Jeff Brinkman » September 15th, 2015, 11:30 am

For anyone interested in reading what John wrote, we've posted it on our website - http://rhysvineyards.com/reviews/

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#19 Post by John Preston » September 15th, 2015, 1:47 pm

I read the Gilman writeup on the Rhys website. All I can say is...wow.

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#20 Post by Joe G a l e w s k i » September 15th, 2015, 5:11 pm

I am not knocking Rhys at all, but Gilman seems insanely unpredictable to me. I have not been able to figure out his scores.

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#21 Post by G. Bienstock » September 15th, 2015, 5:24 pm

Most of the drinking windows for the SCM vineyards are 2050 or longer. Syrah out to 2060. The evolution in bottle should be interesting.
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#22 Post by Kevin Harvey » September 15th, 2015, 8:35 pm

G. Bienstock wrote:Most of the drinking windows for the SCM vineyards are 2050 or longer. Syrah out to 2060. The evolution in bottle should be interesting.
Glenn,
Though we expect the 2013 wines to age quite well, I am really surprised at how well they drink today. Yesterday we opened a bottle of each Hillside and I (a known baby killer) would really enjoy drinking either one right now.
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#23 Post by R Roberts » September 15th, 2015, 8:48 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote: Gideon,
You've got the wrong "G. Beinstock". Glenn isn't from Clos Saron, AFAIK. :)
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#24 Post by G. Bienstock » September 15th, 2015, 8:50 pm

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#25 Post by Kevin Harvey » September 15th, 2015, 8:51 pm

Sorry about that! Fixed!
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#26 Post by cepotts » August 16th, 2016, 7:29 am

With August half gone, thought I would inquire as to the timing of this release. I haven't seen a "coming soon" email either.

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#27 Post by Markus S » August 16th, 2016, 8:00 am

Joe G a l e w s k i wrote:I am not knocking Rhys at all, but Gilman seems insanely unpredictable to me. I have not been able to figure out his scores.
Yep, becoming like Galloini: never a chardonnay or pinot noir he doesn't like.
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#28 Post by Kevin Harvey » August 16th, 2016, 8:04 am

cepotts wrote:With August half gone, thought I would inquire as to the timing of this release. I haven't seen a "coming soon" email either.

Cheers!
Sorry about the delay! We have begun another very early harvest!
We will send a "save the date" tomorrow and the offering will start Aug 30.
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#29 Post by Jerry Hey » August 16th, 2016, 8:23 am

I had the 13 Rhys Horseshoe in a blind tasting of chards vs white Burgundies Sunday night.
It showed very well against these:
’07 Pucelles, P. Pernot - Mildly advanced
’10 Ritchie Vineyard, Ramey - Ramey is always one of my favorite chards in a Burgundian style
’11 Rosemary’s Vineyard, Talley - obviously California
’13 Russian River, Aubert - another one easy to tell; low acid, good not great
’05 Clos de la Mouchere, H. Boillot - young, fatter vintage showing well
’13 Horseshoe Vineyard, Rhys - excellent

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#30 Post by Alan Rath » August 16th, 2016, 8:44 am

Does Gilman review the wines blind?
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#31 Post by John Ammons » August 17th, 2016, 11:19 am

$150 per bottle. This hurts before the offer is even official!

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#32 Post by Bdklein » August 17th, 2016, 11:33 am

John Ammons wrote:$150 per bottle. This hurts before the offer is even official!
It's only $149. Sounds so much better!!
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#33 Post by John Ammons » August 17th, 2016, 11:40 am

Right. And with the free shipping, it's effectively more like $145. Breathing easier now.

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#34 Post by Markus S » August 17th, 2016, 12:08 pm

"No diminishment in quality of the vineyard bottlings "

Truth will be in the bottle, right?>
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#35 Post by slada » August 17th, 2016, 12:13 pm

I bet they are gonna be incredible
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#36 Post by CWun » August 17th, 2016, 12:52 pm

*opens wallet*
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#37 Post by Bdklein » August 17th, 2016, 12:56 pm

The most I have ever spent on a wine is $125. Not buying these.
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#38 Post by BrianMarshall » August 17th, 2016, 1:01 pm

Alan Rath wrote:Does Gilman review the wines blind?
I've never read anything that would lead me to believe he does, but I could be wrong.
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#39 Post by Alan Rath » August 17th, 2016, 1:07 pm

Just wondering, mixed feelings about blind vs. non-blind. In a case like this, with new "premium" wines, it would be interesting to see where they stand in a blind situation. But in the end you have to trust the critic to be as unbiased as possible.
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#40 Post by Bdklein » August 17th, 2016, 1:10 pm

Alan Rath wrote:Does Gilman review the wines blind?
Does Stevie Wonder review wines unblind?
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#41 Post by Frank Murray III » August 17th, 2016, 2:37 pm

I got the release email, too. In reading the critics' reviews, the word graphite or gunpowder appeared more than once. This tasting note intrigues me, as I have found this occasionally in syrahs I drink, but can't recall being in pinot noir.
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#42 Post by Andrew Kaufman » August 17th, 2016, 2:41 pm

John Ammons wrote:$150 per bottle. This hurts before the offer is even official!
I take it back these are barrel select offerings?
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#43 Post by robert creth » August 17th, 2016, 2:49 pm

Bdklein wrote:The most I have ever spent on a wine is $125. Not buying these.
Have to agree. As much as I love me some Rhys, I will leave these to deeper pockets.

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#44 Post by Jason T » August 17th, 2016, 3:02 pm

Yeah these are pretty steep, intriguing tasting notes or no. At $100 I may have at least thought about it, but $150 priced me out.
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#45 Post by Russ Williams » August 17th, 2016, 3:09 pm

These certainly sound like they will be amazing. Decisions, decisions...made even more difficult by Kevin's very devilish decision to include some mags.
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#46 Post by S.Homewood » August 17th, 2016, 3:29 pm

If you got the release email, does that mean you will have an allocation? I've only been buying for 3 years now. So curious. Thanks
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#47 Post by Bud Carey » August 17th, 2016, 3:38 pm

Too rich for my blood!!
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#48 Post by Kevin Harvey » August 17th, 2016, 3:47 pm

S.Homewood wrote:If you got the release email, does that mean you will have an allocation? I've only been buying for 3 years now. So curious. Thanks
Steve,
Most of the people receiving the email will be offered 2 or 3 bottles of each wine but a smaller percentage will be asked if they would like to wishlist wine without a concrete allocation. Since we have no experience with this offer, it was difficult to allocate and this was the best system we could come up with. After this offering we should have enough information to do a better job next time.
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#49 Post by Kevin Harvey » August 17th, 2016, 3:57 pm

Andrew Kaufman wrote:I take it back these are barrel select offerings?
Andrew,
Yes, these are barrels from select parcels in the two vineyards.
We have more information here - http://rhysvineyards.com/rhys-vineyards ... inot-noirs
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#50 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » August 17th, 2016, 4:03 pm

I think I am priced out of these bottles.
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