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#1 Post by Alan Eden » August 27th, 2015, 5:31 pm

Interested on any thoughts, ill guess at a few

Bedrock 1 year
Carlisle 3 years
Kosta Browne varietal 3 years
Kosta Browne SVD 5 years
Saxum 6 years
Alban, anyones guess
Cayuse 8 years
SQN, ask grandkids if you sign up now

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#2 Post by Michael Martin » August 27th, 2015, 5:38 pm

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#3 Post by Joe B » August 27th, 2015, 5:48 pm

Harlan 2 years.
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#4 Post by Markus S » August 27th, 2015, 5:51 pm

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#5 Post by Scott Brunson » August 27th, 2015, 5:56 pm

Maison Ilan
Time will tell.
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#6 Post by Steve Crawford » August 27th, 2015, 6:32 pm

Quilceda and aubert, 3?

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#7 Post by Anton D » August 27th, 2015, 6:56 pm

Scott Brunson wrote:Maison Ilan
Time will tell.
Well, there's the "buying list" and the "getting the wine" list.
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#8 Post by Mel Hill » August 27th, 2015, 7:21 pm

SE not even mentioned.....

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#9 Post by Berg Atkinson » August 27th, 2015, 7:42 pm

Email correspondence I had with SQN in March indicated that people that signed up 9 years ago were now getting on the list [cheers.gif]

"Dear Berg,

Thank you for the note. The most recent customers that we were able to pick up joined the waiting list about nine years ago. We have little movement on the list and the wines are sold around the world. Please hang in there with us as we are doing our best to move availability forward a bit. Thank you once again.

Kind Regards, Elaine Krankl"

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#10 Post by lleichtman » August 27th, 2015, 9:25 pm

7 on Cayuse so far.
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#11 Post by GregT » August 27th, 2015, 9:39 pm

I would just get on as many as I could. Then you could taste the wines and post about them!

You could just buy good wine and enjoy it, but who wants to do that.
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#12 Post by TonyD » August 27th, 2015, 9:53 pm

Becklyn - Amazingly less than 1 year
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#13 Post by Scott Brunson » August 28th, 2015, 2:57 am

Anton D wrote:
Scott Brunson wrote:Maison Ilan
Time will tell.
Well, there's the "buying list" and the "getting the wine" list.
Yes, it's really easy to get on the buying list.
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#14 Post by Greg Ballington » August 28th, 2015, 3:52 am

Just got the waitlist email from Saxum saying 4 - 6 years
Would love to know what Alban's is
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#15 Post by Michael Martin » August 28th, 2015, 4:15 am

gballington wrote:Just got the waitlist email from Saxum saying 4 - 6 years
Would love to know what Alban's is
Bedrock I signed up and got on the next offer
I got my first Alban offer about 3 years ago and I think I waited at least a couple of years for that offer. It was only 2 bottles.

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#16 Post by J a y H a c k » August 28th, 2015, 4:42 am

This is rather interesting. Most of the lists above were zero or less than a year in 2005 or 2006 when I signed up for Cayuse, Saxum, Carlisle, Quilceda Creek, Kosta Browne and Aubert, but SQN was 6-7 years then. Perhaps more interesting, I think Harlan may have been longer then than it is now. I think I waited at last 3 years to get an offer at $350 after signing up in 2003 and turned that down because the price was silly by the time they offered it to me.
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#17 Post by adam landa » August 28th, 2015, 4:53 am

Marcassin took 5+ for me...think I signed up in 2005/2006.

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#18 Post by Berg Atkinson » August 28th, 2015, 5:34 am

Jay, I think you're right on Harlan...I essentially walked on that list a couple years ago...maybe year wait. And of course never bought any!

I walked onto Schrader back in 05, not sure how long wait is there now.
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#19 Post by Michael Martin » August 28th, 2015, 5:51 am

When I signed up for Bedrock 5 years ago, he still had inventory on his website. I was able to buy right away. I think within a year or so he went to the allocation model.

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#20 Post by David H. » August 28th, 2015, 6:09 am

Bedrock, Carlisle, Reynvaan, and Turley were less than a year for me. Sandlands and Becklyn were immediate.

Reading how long people wait on these lists makes me think two ways, 1. Sign up and wait or 2. Pass and source what I can, where I can. My LWS carries Cayuse, not sure which bottles he has access to though.
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#21 Post by Joe B » August 28th, 2015, 6:18 am

Berg Atkinson wrote:Jay, I think you're right on Harlan...I essentially walked on that list a couple years ago...maybe year wait. And of course never bought any!

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I think Harlan is more of a revolving door. Each year many people get priced out. Im a new replacement and wont be buying. I have had one Harlan and while it was good i can buy just as good at $150-200.
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#22 Post by Joe B » August 28th, 2015, 6:19 am

Riverain. Sign up now or miss the boat.
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#23 Post by Brian Tuite » August 28th, 2015, 6:41 am

Michael Martin wrote:When I signed up for Bedrock 5 years ago, he still had inventory on his website. I was able to buy right away. I think within a year or so he went to the allocation model.
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#24 Post by Tim Dennis » August 28th, 2015, 6:43 am

I just signed up for Bedrock right before this current release, and was offered/bought wine in the 2nd wave. Same with Becklyn.

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#25 Post by J a y H a c k » August 28th, 2015, 7:05 am

My advice to the newbies - sign up for everything with a long waiting list. By the time you get an offer, maybe you will know whether you like the wine. DO NOT sign up for every list where there is currently no wait. You will feel like a heavy hitter and buy too much wine too fast. Been there, done that.
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#26 Post by scott c » August 28th, 2015, 7:29 am

J a y H a c k wrote:My advice to the newbies - sign up for everything with a long waiting list. By the time you get an offer, maybe you will know whether you like the wine. DO NOT sign up for every list where there is currently no wait. You will feel like a heavy hitter and buy too much wine too fast. Been there, done that.
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#27 Post by Frank Murray III » August 28th, 2015, 7:38 am

Joe B wrote:Riverain. Sign up now or miss the boat.
HA! Nice one. Joe, I am noodling on opening up an '11 Syrah tomorrow. So little of it left around anymore, I have to use it sparingly. Steve is building forward and Thomas is behind the wines. At some stage, when the fuse gets lit, and at the pricing Steve has the wines, it will take off and become one of those sought lists. At least with Steve, you get a guy who is both a buyer and owner, so he knows both sides of the coin and thinks people first. Super guy.

Alan, there is a lot of great wine out there, enough of it that you could avoid the wait list drama IMO. I guess easy for me to say as I do love my Carlisle but I have been buying from Mike for over 10 years. This is the only list I would pursue if starting now as a new wine buyer, however, there is enough of it being dripped through places like Winebid that you could drink Mike's wines pretty successfully while you waited to be added to the new release allocations.
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#28 Post by Jody Smith » August 28th, 2015, 7:49 am

Mel Hill wrote:SE not even mentioned.....
8 and waiting.

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#29 Post by AlexO » August 28th, 2015, 7:52 am

TonyD wrote:Becklyn - Amazingly less than 1 year
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#30 Post by Drew Goin » August 28th, 2015, 7:53 am

David H. wrote:Bedrock, Carlisle, Reynvaan, and Turley were less than a year for me. Sandlands and Becklyn were immediate.

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#31 Post by jflegler » August 28th, 2015, 8:22 am

J a y H a c k wrote:My advice to the newbies - sign up for everything with a long waiting list. By the time you get an offer, maybe you will know whether you like the wine. DO NOT sign up for every list where there is currently no wait. You will feel like a heavy hitter and buy too much wine too fast. Been there, done that.
such solid advice...by the time I made Screagle and SQN lists (7-8 year waits I think, offer came 2-3 years ago) I realized I either no longer liked the style (SQN) or had found what I believed to be better value high end Napa cab alternatives (Screagle)...passed on both

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#32 Post by lleichtman » August 28th, 2015, 9:31 am

Even though I'm on the wait list for several wines, my tastes have changed since I first put my name on the lists so now I'm not really all that interested in buying them. I also have limited storage space so, when the latest Turley list came out, I had no space to put them and already have a good supply of their wines, I declined to buy anything. I know it you don't buy after 2 offers they take you off the list.
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#33 Post by Mike Davidson » August 28th, 2015, 9:41 am

I am at 8yrs 1 month waiting on SE and 7yrs 8 months waiting on SQN. I think signing up for the longer wait lists is a good call then decide later but only those ones. I too made the mistake of signing up for some of the "bigger" names with no wait then bought too much wine too early.

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#34 Post by Tim Burnett » August 28th, 2015, 1:48 pm

I can't say what things are now, other than Under the Wire bubbly, I haven't attempted to add another list in a long time, but those seem about right. I think the only one I'm still waiting on is SQN, but by now I would buy the whites and let others buy the reds/stickies.

When don't live in or near a major city, direct purchases are a great way to have access to unique wines, but I got to the point that I am cutting back on list purchases to buy more stuff locally. I've taken advantage of buying off other people's list when possible. There's always a risk that this access will dry up for one reason or another, but more than worth it for me.
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#35 Post by Alex Valdes » September 9th, 2020, 3:09 pm

Bump on this thread. Would be good to get an update on these and others.

Macdonald:
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#36 Post by Steve Nordhoff » September 9th, 2020, 3:19 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 28th, 2015, 7:38 am
Joe B wrote:Riverain. Sign up now or miss the boat.
HA! Nice one. Joe, I am noodling on opening up an '11 Syrah tomorrow. So little of it left around anymore, I have to use it sparingly. Steve is building forward and Thomas is behind the wines. At some stage, when the fuse gets lit, and at the pricing Steve has the wines, it will take off and become one of those sought lists. At least with Steve, you get a guy who is both a buyer and owner, so he knows both sides of the coin and thinks people first. Super guy.

Alan, there is a lot of great wine out there, enough of it that you could avoid the wait list drama IMO. I guess easy for me to say as I do love my Carlisle but I have been buying from Mike for over 10 years. This is the only list I would pursue if starting now as a new wine buyer, however, there is enough of it being dripped through places like Winebid that you could drink Mike's wines pretty successfully while you waited to be added to the new release allocations.
Joe might be right, 2020 is looking like a really "small production year". [swoon.gif]
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#37 Post by JohnP » September 9th, 2020, 3:43 pm

Ultramarine - 2 years
MacDonald - 2 years
Cayuse - 5 years
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#38 Post by Scott E. » September 9th, 2020, 4:01 pm

Saxum was right at 7 years.
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#39 Post by Alex N » September 9th, 2020, 4:06 pm

IMO, one to jump on now and still seems attainable for epic (pricey) Cab and really good, not stratospheric priced syrah is Christopher Tynan.
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#40 Post by Alex Valdes » September 9th, 2020, 4:09 pm

JohnP wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Ultramarine - 2 years
MacDonald - 2 years
Cayuse - 5 years
Didn’t realize Ultramarine and Macdonald were so quick

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#41 Post by AD Northup » September 9th, 2020, 4:10 pm

Alex Valdes wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:09 pm
JohnP wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Ultramarine - 2 years
MacDonald - 2 years
Cayuse - 5 years
Didn’t realize Ultramarine and Macdonald were so quick
They aren’t
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#42 Post by Alex Valdes » September 9th, 2020, 4:12 pm

AD Northup wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Alex Valdes wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:09 pm
JohnP wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Ultramarine - 2 years
MacDonald - 2 years
Cayuse - 5 years
Didn’t realize Ultramarine and Macdonald were so quick
They aren’t
I see. What is it really?

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#43 Post by AD Northup » September 9th, 2020, 4:13 pm

Alex Valdes wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:12 pm
AD Northup wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Alex Valdes wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:09 pm


Didn’t realize Ultramarine and Macdonald were so quick
They aren’t
I see. What is it really?
No idea, just know I’ve been on both >2 years. Imagine MacDonald is approaching double digits at least, no idea on UM, maybe if someone has a first time allocation tomorrow they can chime in
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#44 Post by Adam Frisch » September 9th, 2020, 4:27 pm

Ceritas about 1 year.

Anyone know Arnot-Roberts?
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#45 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 9th, 2020, 4:30 pm

I think you can just get Enfield and Arnot-Roberts. A-R just had their fall offering. Enfield has not happened yet.
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#46 Post by Scott Brunson » September 9th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:27 pm
Ceritas about 1 year.

Anyone know Arnot-Roberts?
Enfield?
A-R has a wait?
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#47 Post by Michael Feldman » September 9th, 2020, 4:39 pm

JohnP wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Ultramarine - 2 years
MacDonald - 2 years
Cayuse - 5 years
MacDonald- waiting list for 3 years. Still waiting.

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#48 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 9th, 2020, 4:39 pm

Scott Brunson wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:34 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:27 pm
Ceritas about 1 year.

Anyone know Arnot-Roberts?
Enfield?
A-R has a wait?
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#49 Post by T&om c&lement » September 9th, 2020, 4:48 pm

Alex Valdes wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 3:09 pm
Bump on this thread. Would be good to get an update on these and others.

Macdonald:
SQN:
Saxum:
Screaming Eagle:
Marcassin:
Ultramarine:
Received an email this year for SQN saying I would be added to the list, if still interested, for the next release. Had signed up about 8 years ago. I also received an offer for Saxum this year and signed up about 6 years ago.

I’m passing on both. Based on tasting notes, just don’t think it’s in my wheelhouse and not willing to spend the tariff to verify.

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#50 Post by Alex Valdes » September 9th, 2020, 5:02 pm

T&om c&lement wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 4:48 pm
Alex Valdes wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 3:09 pm
Bump on this thread. Would be good to get an update on these and others.

Macdonald:
SQN:
Saxum:
Screaming Eagle:
Marcassin:
Ultramarine:
Received an email this year for SQN saying I would be added to the list, if still interested, for the next release. Had signed up about 8 years ago. I also received an offer for Saxum this year and signed up about 6 years ago.

I’m passing on both. Based on tasting notes, just don’t think it’s in my wheelhouse and not willing to spend the tariff to verify.
Thanks Tom. I too got a Saxum offer this year after signing up in late 2012 for both Saxum and SQN. I received an email from SQN saying to be patient but no glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. My tastes are very different now as well (though I did take some Saxum to give it a try)

Funny enough, I’ve found cracking the world of Burgundy much easier.

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