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#1151 Post by Eric S n y d e r » July 30th, 2018, 10:56 am

2012 Carlisle Zinfandel Hayne Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley (7/29/2018)
No formal notes, from magnum, brought to restaurant. A standout for balance and gentle power. Integrated, red/blue fruit, herbal, acidity in a perfect spot. No jam here, just a balanced, beautiful Zin at prime.

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#1152 Post by P. D e r d e y n » July 30th, 2018, 1:42 pm

Had another 2016 Dry Creek Zin. It cannot be overstated what an incredible value this wine is. In a year where I was very skeptical when Mike decided not to produce a Sonoma Zin (or Syrah) I can actually see now what he meant when he said the quality was just too high across the board.
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#1153 Post by Peter Petersen » August 4th, 2018, 10:50 pm

Had several good ones lately. Some that are particularly interesting right now are:
2013 Pagani, Rich effusive and seductive flavors.
2005 TA, probably my last bottle, showing entirely secondary flavors and a perfectly civilized feel with a dinner of skirt steak. Need to move on to younger vintages but I feel these don’t give much until age 10.

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#1154 Post by Steve Nordhoff » August 5th, 2018, 6:41 am

14 Papera, liqueur of Zinfandel, in a really good way.
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#1155 Post by Ian Alper » August 9th, 2018, 8:57 am

Peter - great to hear about the 2005 TA developing so nicely. I have quite a few older Carlisles and so far have been very happy with them.

This week- 2011Carlisle Bedrock Zin - excellent from the start and did not need any air to find balance which I often find to be the case with Carlisle. No heat or jam, great balance with well proportioned acidity to complete the package. Did not seem to get much better as the night progressed.

The 2012 Saitone Zin, on the other hand, started out shrill and out of balance and needed a few hours to come together. Last sip was the best (don't you hate that!) but turned into a really nice zin with plenty of life ahead. No heat or jam.

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#1156 Post by Drew Goin » August 10th, 2018, 4:12 am

The '12 "Saitone Ranch" Zin from Carlisle was one of the best wines I have enjoyed so far from Mr Officer!

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#1157 Post by Peter Petersen » August 10th, 2018, 9:38 am

Ian Alper wrote:Peter - great to hear about the 2005 TA developing so nicely. I have quite a few older Carlisles and so far have been very happy with them.

This week- 2011Carlisle Bedrock Zin - excellent from the start and did not need any air to find balance which I often find to be the case with Carlisle. No heat or jam, great balance with well proportioned acidity to complete the package. Did not seem to get much better as the night progressed.

The 2012 Saitone Zin, on the other hand, started out shrill and out of balance and needed a few hours to come together. Last sip was the best (don't you hate that!) but turned into a really nice zin with plenty of life ahead. No heat or jam.
Ian, I'll see if I can find that 2011 Bedrock Zin, I've found the Bedrock Zins a bit too structured when young. Definitely agree with you on the 2012 Saitone it is a nice wine that needs time to soften a bit.

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#1158 Post by T Fletcher » August 10th, 2018, 11:39 am

Drew Goin wrote:The '12 "Saitone Ranch" Zin from Carlisle was one of the best wines I have enjoyed so far from Mr Officer!
I had the '14 earlier this week and it's one the best Carlisles I've had. Alas, I only had one bottle and I have no others from other vintages. Mental note for future acquisition.
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#1159 Post by Peter Petersen » August 11th, 2018, 11:26 am

‘14 Montafi is in a perfect place. Well, Montafi usually is.

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#1160 Post by ky1em!ttskus » August 11th, 2018, 1:00 pm

Peter Petersen wrote:‘14 Montafi is in a perfect place. Well, Montafi usually is.
Yum!
I have a ‘13 en magnum that I’m opening in a couple weeks while camping with our best friends.

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#1161 Post by Rich Brown » August 11th, 2018, 1:12 pm

ky1em!ttskus wrote:
Peter Petersen wrote:‘14 Montafi is in a perfect place. Well, Montafi usually is.
Yum!
I have a ‘13 en magnum that I’m opening in a couple weeks while camping with our best friends.
Nice man! Cant wait to hear about it.

Side note, I always bring a maggie of something when we camp. Just seems right for some reason (01 Carver-Sutro Petite Sirah a few weeks ago)

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#1162 Post by Josh H » August 11th, 2018, 1:27 pm

T Fletcher wrote:
Drew Goin wrote:The '12 "Saitone Ranch" Zin from Carlisle was one of the best wines I have enjoyed so far from Mr Officer!
I had the '14 earlier this week and it's one the best Carlisles I've had. Alas, I only had one bottle and I have no others from other vintages. Mental note for future acquisition.
Williams Selyem acquired Saitone. They just released their first vintage of it. I was glad to be able to snag one, as I’ve heard good things about this vineyard.
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#1163 Post by Peter Petersen » August 11th, 2018, 1:31 pm

ky1em!ttskus wrote:
Peter Petersen wrote:‘14 Montafi is in a perfect place. Well, Montafi usually is.
Yum!
I have a ‘13 en magnum that I’m opening in a couple weeks while camping with our best friends.
The ‘13 is also great right now. Had it a week or two ago. Might also have a magnum, but I’ll save that for a sushi dinner ;)

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#1164 Post by M. Chacchia » August 16th, 2018, 3:11 pm

Peter Petersen wrote:
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‘14 Montafi is in a perfect place. Well, Montafi usually is.
The best Zin I ever tasted and the one that locked me in as a Carlisle fan and mailing list member.
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#1165 Post by M. Chacchia » August 16th, 2018, 3:12 pm

2015 Carlisle Zinfandel Monte Rosso Vineyard
Popped 'n poured. A glass stainer. Inviting nose. Rich velvety blackberries and dark cherries. Great ripe juicy fruit in balance and with supportive weight as well as some spiciness on the mid-palate and into finish. Love how this coats the palate at it glides across. So pure and clean throughout. Finish so satisfying it begs for another sip. High quality stuff. As of today, there are still 662 bottles (85%) in your cellars. Don't be afraid to enjoy some this summer, it's in a good place now. About to pair with some BBQ ribs. 93
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#1166 Post by Peter Petersen » August 17th, 2018, 2:13 pm

Was drinking 2013 Papera over the last two days. Based on how this tasted in the spring I thought this would be ready to go, but this bottle seemed to be very structured and even a bit angular with basically no change on day two.

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#1167 Post by Scott E. » August 17th, 2018, 4:15 pm

Peter Petersen wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Was drinking 2013 Papera over the last two days. Based on how this tasted in the spring I thought this would be ready to go, but this bottle seemed to be very structured and even a bit angular with basically no change on day two.
The more I read about how the 2013's are drinking, the more I think I'm going to be drinking the 2014's before I start on the 2013's.
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#1168 Post by Peter Petersen » August 17th, 2018, 5:24 pm

Scott E. wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 4:15 pm
Peter Petersen wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Was drinking 2013 Papera over the last two days. Based on how this tasted in the spring I thought this would be ready to go, but this bottle seemed to be very structured and even a bit angular with basically no change on day two.
The more I read about how the 2013's are drinking, the more I think I'm going to be drinking the 2014's before I start on the 2013's.
I think you are right. Fortunately I can also go back to older vintages.

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#1169 Post by Peter Petersen » August 17th, 2018, 5:32 pm

That said, I just popped the 2013 Derivative and it is in a perfect spot. As it is now it’s the best f’ to date

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#1170 Post by Mark Stevens » August 17th, 2018, 7:55 pm

I cross posted on the PS thread about the 2004 Dry Creek PS that I opened tonight. Wonderful wine- tannins have softened, fruit forward, just delicious. Opened a 2003 Carlisle Carlisle zin a couple of nights ago that was showing its age. Still alive, interesting flavors, but fading. Not so, this PS.

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#1171 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » August 18th, 2018, 4:30 am

Scott E. wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 4:15 pm
Peter Petersen wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Was drinking 2013 Papera over the last two days. Based on how this tasted in the spring I thought this would be ready to go, but this bottle seemed to be very structured and even a bit angular with basically no change on day two.
The more I read about how the 2013's are drinking, the more I think I'm going to be drinking the 2014's before I start on the 2013's.
Is this the consensus, particularly regarding the zins? I still have a bunch of '12 single vineyards on hand and they have been terrific. The only '13 zins I've opened were the Sonoma County and, by mistake, the Montafi. I have not tried any '14's.

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#1172 Post by Peter Petersen » August 18th, 2018, 7:29 am

Sherri, I don’t know how 2014 is drinking in general. From experience with a few recent verticals indicates that ‘12 is the obvious vintage to drink and maybe ‘16, which seems a superbly well balanced vintage.

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#1173 Post by dsimmons » August 25th, 2018, 5:09 pm

'99,'09 and '11 Carlisle Two Acres
Last evening our wine group did an impromptu mini vertical of Carlisle Two Acre. We had '99 from magnum, '09 and '11. The '99 stole the show but each of the bottlings was excellent. I would score the '99 95 points, the '09 92 points and the '11 90 points. The high scoring '99 was very elegant with great integration and still boasted good fruit and a bit of smooth tannin. I think the lesson here is that these wines age gracefully.
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#1174 Post by Dale McClaran » August 31st, 2018, 12:05 pm

16 Pagani with a three hour decant last night - the aromatics was off the charts good, berries and floral oils galore, pure heaven. Palate was a little tight, but keep an eye out on this one, it has the makings of a very special Zin. In fact the more Pagani I drink, it seems to leapfrog some other vineyards in the Carlisle stable (all of them still terrific) for where my palate is at these days. I want the fruit, but there is also a ‘spring clean’ freshness that often seem to go hand in with the fruit profile that jus plan does it for me.
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#1175 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » September 3rd, 2018, 10:07 am

2012 Carlisle Zinfandel Papera Ranch - KILLER! Nothing else needs to be said!!!
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#1176 Post by Bud Carey » September 3rd, 2018, 10:15 am

2012 Pagani Zin.... also yummy.
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#1177 Post by ky1em!ttskus » September 3rd, 2018, 10:29 am

ky1em!ttskus wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 1:00 pm
Yum!
I have a ‘13 en magnum that I’m opening in a couple weeks while camping with our best friends.
Opened this Saturday night. Just fantastic! Enjoyed by all and a single bottle wouldn’t have been enough.

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#1178 Post by Paul Miller » September 3rd, 2018, 10:35 am

2016 Carlisle Grüner Veltliner Steiner Vineyard

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#1179 Post by Peter Petersen » September 3rd, 2018, 3:54 pm

Two 2014 GV that were singing. The 2013 Rossi Grenache en magnum is also in a really good place. Very forward and easy to drink.

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#1180 Post by AlexS » September 4th, 2018, 1:19 pm

2012 Papera just killed it so much last night that I had to take a CT TN:

2012 Carlisle Zinfandel Papera Ranch - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley (9/3/2018)
Popped and poured, deep purple/ruby. Exuberant nose of dark fruits, crushed black pepper, kalamata olive, black tea, barbecue spices & cocoa powder. Well-balanced, with lovely presence and just filled with blackberry, black raspberry, boysenberry and every other zin-fruit imaginable. Drinking in the zone and absolutely delicious, this is outstanding even for the vintage.
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#1181 Post by dsimmons » September 4th, 2018, 1:44 pm

AlexS wrote:
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2012 Papera just killed it so much last night that I had to take a CT TN:

2012 Carlisle Zinfandel Papera Ranch - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley (9/3/2018)
Popped and poured, deep purple/ruby. Exuberant nose of dark fruits, crushed black pepper, kalamata olive, black tea, barbecue spices & cocoa powder. Well-balanced, with lovely presence and just filled with blackberry, blackberry, boysenberry and every other zin-fruit imaginable. Drinking in the zone and absolutely delicious, this is outstanding even for the vintage.
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I had my last bottle of the '08 Papera last night and it was delicious. I love the elegance these wines gain with cellar time.

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#1182 Post by AlexS » September 4th, 2018, 2:24 pm

Don, sounds like a delicious bottle! Would love to try an older vintage...Mike really has a magic touch with Papera fruit.
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#1183 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » September 4th, 2018, 3:12 pm

AlexS wrote:
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2012 Papera just killed it so much last night that I had to take a CT TN:

2012 Carlisle Zinfandel Papera Ranch - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley (9/3/2018)
Popped and poured, deep purple/ruby. Exuberant nose of dark fruits, crushed black pepper, kalamata olive, black tea, barbecue spices & cocoa powder. Well-balanced, with lovely presence and just filled with blackberry, blackberry, boysenberry and every other zin-fruit imaginable. Drinking in the zone and absolutely delicious, this is outstanding even for the vintage.
Alex - Great note!! I had the 12 Papera over the weekend (posted a little above you) - totally agree that it's "outstanding."

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#1184 Post by AlexS » September 4th, 2018, 3:16 pm

OMG — how did I not notice that?? You posted a pic and everything! Lol probably time for a vacation...

And thx, although I think your note of “KILLER” sums it up far more perfectly and succinctly!!! :)
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#1185 Post by Scott E. » September 4th, 2018, 5:11 pm

I still have a couple bottles of 2012 Papera, but probably not for long now! Thanks for the notes. Cheers!
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#1186 Post by dsimmons » September 5th, 2018, 1:06 pm

AlexS wrote:
September 4th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Don, sounds like a delicious bottle! Would love to try an older vintage...Mike really has a magic touch with Papera fruit.
Alex

I always try to squirrel away a bottle or two the the single vineyard Carlisle's to the 10+ year mark. It is hard but I can't think of a case where I have been disappointed. I also do the same thing with Lytton Springs and Geyserville.

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#1187 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » September 6th, 2018, 4:47 am

dsimmons wrote:
September 5th, 2018, 1:06 pm
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Don, sounds like a delicious bottle! Would love to try an older vintage...Mike really has a magic touch with Papera fruit.
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I always try to squirrel away a bottle or two the the single vineyard Carlisle's to the 10+ year mark. It is hard but I can't think of a case where I have been disappointed. I also do the same thing with Lytton Springs and Geyserville.

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Don - I try to do the same thing with one bottle of Carlisle zin each year! I still have an 06 carlisle vineyard that I've resisted opening, but I drank the 07 and 08 I had stashed away at 10 years.

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#1188 Post by David Lewin » September 6th, 2018, 12:22 pm

I, unexpectedly, enjoyed the 2005 Russian River Syrah last Sunday as it was in a double blind tasting. It showed very well and much younger.

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#1189 Post by AD Northup » September 6th, 2018, 6:37 pm

2013 Two Acres...Too soon...
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#1190 Post by cjsavino » September 6th, 2018, 6:51 pm

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#1191 Post by AlexS » September 6th, 2018, 6:52 pm

cjsavino wrote:
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#1192 Post by Peter Petersen » September 6th, 2018, 8:35 pm

Found a 2012 Papera. Will pop it tomorrow. Like notes above I recall from our dinner last spring that this was ready for prime time drinking and delicious. 2016 will be another total winner.

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#1193 Post by cjsavino » September 7th, 2018, 4:31 am

AlexS wrote:
September 6th, 2018, 6:52 pm
cjsavino wrote:
September 6th, 2018, 6:51 pm
2014 Papera Ranch Zinfandel
Thoughts?
For this bottle, it was jammy, not too hot, expected a bit more body to it.
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#1194 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » September 7th, 2018, 4:36 am

AD Northup wrote:
September 6th, 2018, 6:37 pm
2013 Two Acres...Too soon...
Lesson learned! To my taste, these are much better with age, like 7 or 8 years post-vintage.

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#1195 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » September 7th, 2018, 4:36 am

Peter Petersen wrote:
September 6th, 2018, 8:35 pm
Found a 2012 Papera. Will pop it tomorrow. Like notes above I recall from our dinner last spring that this was ready for prime time drinking and delicious. 2016 will be another total winner.
Can't wait to read your notes, Peter. You are in for a treat!

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#1196 Post by dsimmons » September 8th, 2018, 3:40 pm

Drank an '07 Dry Creek Valley Syrah last evening. Really hitting on all cylinders. Delicious stuff.
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#1197 Post by David Mc » September 8th, 2018, 4:45 pm

2014 Santa Cruz Chardonnay

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#1198 Post by AlexS » September 8th, 2018, 5:08 pm

David Mc wrote:
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#1199 Post by Dale McClaran » September 8th, 2018, 5:15 pm

11 James Berry just poured in the decanter - smells like classic Paso so far.

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9/9/2018 rated 94 points: Decanted 2 hrs. I have been on the Carlisle list since the 2007 vintage but this was my first go at a JB, and it delivered in spades. Classic Paso Robles aromas of dark blackberries and roasted veggies right off the grill. A big burst of syrah goodness on the palate, many have noted the richness, the power, but this wine stays very fresh and never over extends its welcome. Not only is this going to last a while, I can see more positive evolution owing to its balance. Outstanding.
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#1200 Post by Scott Brunson » September 8th, 2018, 5:40 pm

15 Carlisle Carlisle
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