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#1001 Post by Rich Brown » January 26th, 2018, 11:56 am

Peter Petersen wrote:
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Peter Petersen wrote:‘07 TA very AFWE in style
‘07 Yorkville Highlands Pet. Finally a PS that has aged to something that is civilized.
‘13 GV drinking perfectly
‘12 and ‘13 Derivative drinking perfectly. ‘13 being somewhat bolder.
‘13 Kirschenmann, lighter in style, not really in the right spot at the moment. All spice and orange peel and no fruit.
‘11 Montafi, Yum, elegant for this terroir.
‘11 Pagani, Yum, still with close to Port-like intense aromas, but nice lively palate.
Thanks for the quick note on the 07 Yorkville PS! Been eyeing that one but was planning on letting it age longer. Did you feel like it could develop further?
It might, but I thought it was in a perfect spot. I hope I have one or two more.
I feel that Pets really don’t age like traditional wines but sometimes they become more civilized.
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#1002 Post by Rich Brown » January 26th, 2018, 4:48 pm

2010 The Derivitive

This is drinking crazy well right now.  Very bright citrus/lemon aromatics on the nose (great nose!) with distinct flavors of lemon custard pie, spice, and flint in the mouth, with a beautiful wave of mineral driven acidity to wash it all down.  Stunning wine and easily my top white of 2018 (yeah, we’re 26 days in.....but still).  Perfect example of why you need to do your best to keep your hands off of Mike’s The Derivitive (and Compagni Portis) and let em age!!  Drink now and over the next few years +.
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#1003 Post by Scott Watkins » February 1st, 2018, 9:06 pm

2011 Monte Rosso vineyard good Lord is this bottle singing black fruit some bright red fruits and bramble. Wow
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#1004 Post by Russ Williams » February 2nd, 2018, 4:12 am

2011 is my favorite Carlisle vintage for zin and I have been drinking them since the ‘01 vintage. I have not tried any younger vintages yet.
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#1005 Post by J a y H a c k » February 2nd, 2018, 6:13 pm

2013 Montafi. Outstanding. Dark, roasted beef in a good way, red fruit, spice.
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#1006 Post by Ian Alper » February 4th, 2018, 7:49 am

2009 Petite Sirah - Palisades Vineyard

2009 Mourvedre - Bedrock Vineyard

2011 - Compagni Portis

They were all drinking great but the Compagni Portis was the hit of the party (and all prefer red wines). Tropical and citrus flavors with a hint of ginger and maybe jasmine. Thick (is glycerin the correct word for that?) mouth-feel. Perfect balance with no heat. Really enjoyable. My wife insisted that I order more whites this time around.

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#1007 Post by ky1em!ttskus » February 4th, 2018, 8:10 am

Ian Alper wrote:2009 Petite Sirah - Palisades Vineyard

2009 Mourvedre - Bedrock Vineyard

2011 - Compagni Portis

They were all drinking great but the Compagni Portis was the hit of the party (and all prefer red wines). Tropical and citrus flavors with a hint of ginger and maybe jasmine. Thick (is glycerin the correct word for that?) mouth-feel. Perfect balance with no heat. Really enjoyable. My wife insisted that I order more whites this time around.
That's how I would describe the sensation that I think you're describing.

Rich is going to post here 4 seconds blabbing about how he's been saying all along that aged CP.... neener

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#1008 Post by Rich Brown » February 4th, 2018, 9:52 am

Ian Alper wrote:2009 Petite Sirah - Palisades Vineyard

2009 Mourvedre - Bedrock Vineyard

2011 - Compagni Portis

They were all drinking great but the Compagni Portis was the hit of the party (and all prefer red wines). Tropical and citrus flavors with a hint of ginger and maybe jasmine. Thick (is glycerin the correct word for that?) mouth-feel. Perfect balance with no heat. Really enjoyable. My wife insisted that I order more whites this time around.
You see, I told you guys (and especialy Kyle) that CP is always better...... ;)

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#1009 Post by David Lewin » February 4th, 2018, 8:14 pm

2009 Montafi (wanted something really good for the Super Bowl and this delivered). Drinking really well, at peak. Went surprisingly well with nachos with a light salsa. Will drink my last bottle in the next few months.

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#1010 Post by Peter Petersen » February 4th, 2018, 9:39 pm

Had the ‘11 Monte Rosso and ‘13 DuPratt. Both very good but not top notch.

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#1011 Post by Jeff Bloom » February 5th, 2018, 7:32 am

The 2011 Carlisle Vineyard Zin was the star of the show in a mixed case I brought for a family gathering this weekend. Bright and fresh, rich fruit without being over the top, this is in a really good place now but not going anywhere soon.

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#1012 Post by AlexS » February 5th, 2018, 8:15 am

2014 Carlisle Petite Sirah Palisades

One of the darkest wines from Carlisle I’ve ever had! Super primary and very “grapey” in terms of flavor, this is like drinking a barrel sample...tasty but HOLD.
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#1013 Post by Rich Brown » February 17th, 2018, 6:54 pm

2012 Papera
2012 Carlisle zins are absolutely crushing right now. Highly aromatic on pnp with savory red fruits and mint. On the palate this is very savory, herbal, and red fruited, with a very distinct eucalyptus note that my wife and I are really digging. Plenty of acidity in a medium++ bodied frame and a fairly long finish round out a delicious and wildly satisfying bottle of wine. Drinking incredibly well but id expect it to hold for the next 3 to 5 years and possibly even improve some. Love Carlsisle. Love Papera Ranch. Love the 2012 vintage.
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#1014 Post by Drew Goin » February 18th, 2018, 1:14 am

Thanks for the tasting note, Rich! :)

I have only tasted one Carlisle red from the 2012 vintage. I started buying directly from the website during the 2013 release. The 2012 "Saitone Vineyard" Zin was a mind-blowing wine!

I have been holding off on popping most of the others - honestly, I am more inclined to drink the '14 and '15 Carlisle and Bedrock vintages (1 btl of the '15 Carlisle "Carlisle Vineyard") before touching the 2013's, which I firmly believe will age the longest lived of the three.

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#1015 Post by Rich Brown » February 18th, 2018, 7:17 am

Drew Goin wrote:Thanks for the tasting note, Rich! :)

I have only tasted one Carlisle red from the 2012 vintage. I started buying directly from the website during the 2013 release. The 2012 "Saitone Vineyard" Zin was a mind-blowing wine!

I have been holding off on popping most of the others - honestly, I am more inclined to drink the '14 and '15 Carlisle and Bedrock vintages (1 btl of the '15 Carlisle "Carlisle Vineyard") before touching the 2013's, which I firmly believe will age the longest lived of the three.

*fingers crossed*
No problem Drew!

And I agree on the 13s. I haven't opened many from Carlisle or Bedrock (except for the Bedrock Old Vines which is great), but the ones I have were very structured and felt like they needed a lot of time.

But if you can get your hands on any 2012's, you should definitely do it. Drinking so damn well right now.

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#1016 Post by James Dennis » February 21st, 2018, 7:50 am

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2009 Two Acres - One of my favorite Carlisle wines and 9 years has done this wine well. Im not too familiar with Mourvedre but this wine seems to move this grape into a different spectrum from what I have tasted. Smooth, nuanced and easy drinking. No hard edges. Just a wonderful wine. No reason to panic with old bottles. I think this will continue to evolve into an amazing example of what old vine wines can be in California.

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#1017 Post by jordan whitehead » March 9th, 2018, 9:47 pm

popped and poured a 2013 Old Vines Zin. Don't have Carlisle much anymore but takes me back to when I used to drink these weekly. Great QPR
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#1018 Post by Rich Brown » March 9th, 2018, 11:22 pm

jordan whitehead wrote:popped and poured a 2013 Old Vines Zin. Don't have Carlisle much anymore but takes me back to when I used to drink these weekly. Great QPR
Did you feel like it was in a good spot Jordan? Literally been debating about bringing this camping tomorrow at Joshua Tree, but the one I opened a year and a half ago wasn't even close to being ready for prime time.

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#1019 Post by Steve Gautier » March 10th, 2018, 4:09 am

Rich Brown wrote:
jordan whitehead wrote:popped and poured a 2013 Old Vines Zin. Don't have Carlisle much anymore but takes me back to when I used to drink these weekly. Great QPR
Did you feel like it was in a good spot Jordan? Literally been debating about bringing this camping tomorrow at Joshua Tree, but the one I opened a year and a half ago wasn't even close to being ready for prime time.
Not Jordan but I had this two months ago and thought it was in a great place.
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#1020 Post by Rich Brown » March 10th, 2018, 6:19 am

Steve Gautier wrote:
Rich Brown wrote:
jordan whitehead wrote:popped and poured a 2013 Old Vines Zin. Don't have Carlisle much anymore but takes me back to when I used to drink these weekly. Great QPR
Did you feel like it was in a good spot Jordan? Literally been debating about bringing this camping tomorrow at Joshua Tree, but the one I opened a year and a half ago wasn't even close to being ready for prime time.
Not Jordan but I had this two months ago and thought it was in a great place.
Love it. Thanks Steve - I'll snag one for the trip.

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#1021 Post by AlexS » March 18th, 2018, 8:14 am

Bump. Last night:

2012 Papa's Block Syrah
2012 Sierra Mar Syrah

My last 2012 Papa's :(, such an awesome wine and one of my favorite bottles of CA Syrah, period. It has everything, killer nose, deep flavors, lush texture and impeccable balance.

I've never been a huge fan of the Sierra Mar Syrah...that said, the 2012 was pretty effing delicious as well. 15.8% behemoth but wears the alcohol well, no discernible heat. Although I didn't take notes, it actually reminded me of the Papa's but with a touch more fruit and less overall complexity. Went perfectly with the corned beef.
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#1022 Post by Drew Goin » March 18th, 2018, 9:00 am

Thanks for the tasting notes, Alex!

Out of curiosity, did you detect any of the dark-chocolate-and-grapefruit flavors in the "Sierra Mar" Syrah, a note once commonly found in SLH Syrah (but more rare these days)?

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#1023 Post by AlexS » March 18th, 2018, 9:16 am

Hi Drew,

I didn't notice anything like that, only a touch of menthol/herbaceous that emerged as it opened. To me, it drank like "normal" Carlisle Syrah, albeit even better than it usually is, which could be due to the 2012 vintage.
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#1024 Post by Ian Alper » March 18th, 2018, 10:43 am

2011 Papa's poured with a Coravin. Drinking really well. Balanced with no heat and no porty flavors. Great fruit and mouthfeel. Will try another glass next week but try and give it some air-time. Perhaps will develop more complexity with air.

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#1025 Post by dsimmons » March 18th, 2018, 12:58 pm

Had a '09 Carlisle Vineyard Zin last night and it was really singing. Moving to the elegance stage where the bright in-your-face zinberry flavors mellow and transform into more secondary flavors. I love these older zins and wish I had the discipline to age more bottles.
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#1026 Post by Eric S n y d e r » March 18th, 2018, 2:11 pm

Drew Goin wrote:Thanks for the tasting notes, Alex!

Out of curiosity, did you detect any of the dark-chocolate-and-grapefruit flavors in the "Sierra Mar" Syrah, a note once commonly found in SLH Syrah (but more rare these days)?
Drew, it’s interesting that you point that out. A 2008-ish Carlisle SLH Syrah had such pronounced grapefruit that i thought there was something wrong with it. After I re-calibrated my brain and re-tasted the next day, it was really enjoyable as a counterpoint to balance be fruit. Now I pick it out quite often in certain Carlisle Syrah (but never as pronounced as that first one).

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#1027 Post by AlexS » March 18th, 2018, 8:17 pm

Interesting comments, Drew and Eric...because now that I think about, I have noticed grapefruit in a Carlisle red! However, it was the 2011 Mourvèdre Bedrock Vineyard, not a Syrah -- here's my TN from 2016:
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    Popped and poured, dark ruby. Crazy nose of funky blue fruits, fresh cherries, ruby grapefruit, crushed green peppercorns, vegetal funk and a touch of vanilla from oak; smells amazingly Tuscan, with florals and notes of menthol emerging with air. Medium body, elegant even. Flavors of cherry fruits, anise and subtle spice are complimented by an impression of minerals on the palate. Lengthy close finishes with chalky tannins and a touch of heat. Such a unique expression for Carlisle, incredible juice.
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#1028 Post by Jeff Bloom » March 19th, 2018, 6:10 am

The 2010 Bennett Valley Syrah was in an excellent place this weekend. Rich dark fruits with an earthiness and smokiness, easy to drink now but I'll hold my remaining bottle another year or two.

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#1029 Post by Dale McClaran » March 19th, 2018, 8:34 am

Ian Alper wrote:2011 Papa's poured with a Coravin. Drinking really well. Balanced with no heat and no porty flavors. Great fruit and mouthfeel. Will try another glass next week but try and give it some air-time. Perhaps will develop more complexity with air.
I too had this a week or so ago, drank very well though I don't think there will be a whole lot to gain by cellaring further, but should hold for a good spell.
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#1030 Post by Hans Werge » March 20th, 2018, 1:39 pm

I associate the grapefruit component mostly with older vintages of Rosella’s Syrah
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#1031 Post by Bud Carey » March 20th, 2018, 1:47 pm

Indeed!!!
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#1032 Post by Drew Goin » March 21st, 2018, 9:26 am

I gifted my brother and sister-in-law six random bottles of wine while they stopped in town to visit from Bella Vista, Arkansas.

Rather than giving them a 2014 Carlisle "Old Vine RRV" Zinfandel, I accidentally sent that plus a bottle of the 2014 Carlisle "Saitone Vineyard" Zin!

*d'oh!*

At least they made an effort to send me a tasting noteof the '14 "Saitone Vineyard":

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#1033 Post by dsimmons » March 22nd, 2018, 1:25 pm

We had three vintages of the Carlisle Palisades Vineyard PS yesterday evening. My favorite was the '09. Although still young this wine was drinking well. Opened about 8 hours prior. This still has a long life ahead. My second favorite was the '14. Opened 12 hours prior it was still pretty tannic and primary but had a lot of brooding character to promise great development potential. I won't open another for 5-10 years. The '07, though lacking the character of the '09 an'14 was still a good drink. If I had '07's I would definitely be drinking them.
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#1034 Post by Rich Brown » March 22nd, 2018, 6:15 pm

dsimmons wrote:We had three vintages of the Carlisle Palisades Vineyard PS yesterday evening. My favorite was the '09. Although still young this wine was drinking well. Opened about 8 hours prior. This still has a long life ahead. My second favorite was the '14. Opened 12 hours prior it was still pretty tannic and primary but had a lot of brooding character to promise great development potential. I won't open another for 5-10 years. The '07, though lacking the character of the '09 an'14 was still a good drink. If I had '07's I would definitely be drinking them.
Awesome tasting, thanks for posting! Love Palisades vineyard PS!

Side note....how long did it take to scrub the stains off of your teeth after crushing 3 bottles of petite sirah?? ;)

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#1035 Post by dsimmons » March 23rd, 2018, 2:12 pm

Side note....how long did it take to scrub the stains off of your teeth after crushing 3 bottles of petite sirah?? ;)[/quote]

They were tooth stainers. Funny how the staining was different for different people. One of our group had teeth that really picked up the stain. He looked quite funny by the end of the evening.
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#1036 Post by J a y H a c k » March 26th, 2018, 5:06 am

2010 Sonoma County Zinfandel. Decanted - moderate sediment left in bottle - then followed for four hours. 85% assorted Sonoma Zinfandels and 15% Petite Sirah. This is a delicious wine that is fruit driven but not sweet, and with a meaty backbone that probably comes from the Petite Sirah. Excellent balance and it wears its 15.9% ABV very well. There is a spiciness to the wine that I could not identify for certain, but was almost allspice-like. The wine developed gradually over time in the decanter and I would say that it plateaued at about 90 minutes out.

I do not recall what this wine cost from the mailing list, but I think it was less than $20, which makes it one of the great bargains in California wine.
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#1037 Post by Alan Rath » March 26th, 2018, 9:35 am

Went to the pickup day on Saturday (which I highly recommend for anyone planning a visit out here, if you happen to be there on one of the days). The couple of 16s they poured samples of were showing very well, I think it's going to be an outstanding vintage at Carlisle.
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#1038 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 31st, 2018, 6:41 pm

Tale of two bottles of 2012 James Berry Syrah. I'm not certain of the flaw in the first bottle but I'm guessing VA as the wine was pruney and very chemical-ish without over nail polish, I'm just not certain beyond yuck. I don't think it was storage as it never left my cache of Carlisle. Second bottle is a pure delight and not at all exuberant, except for the wine's exceptional length and tannic attack. Nearly as far from Bone Rock as possible, a lovely and distinct presentation of this fruit and special vineyard.

Our first or second flawed Carlisle out of 250+ bottles maybe?
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#1039 Post by Dale McClaran » April 7th, 2018, 2:41 pm

I have the 16 Piner-Olivet in the decanter - the nose is already incredible and promises much. Will report back tomorrow after I have this tonight with BBQ.
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#1040 Post by Peter Petersen » April 7th, 2018, 4:13 pm

I loved the Piner-Olivet and also Mancini from the current release. All other bottles are now stashed away.
Tonight I’ll pop two 2009 CVZ for dinner. It’s been awhile since I opened a CVZ.

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#1041 Post by Dale McClaran » April 8th, 2018, 10:33 am

  • 2016 Carlisle Zinfandel Piner Olivet Ranches Sonoma Valley - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Valley (4/8/2018)
    Decanted 4 hrs. I'm 100% positive if I was served this blind, I couldn't have told you it was a blend of the Power 3 (Carlisle / Papera / Montafi) vineyards - but I sure as hell had better have deducted that it was a Russian River Zin, and a darn good one at that. Not only open and approachable, this was surprisingly integrated and in mid-season form. The fruit was deep and layered, with strong floral oils abound, I was thinking of a slightly lighter version of a strong Montafi vintage - funny though that vineyard was only 7% of the blend. Good closing structure on the back half. Absolutely one to drink early without regret. Outstanding. (93 pts.)
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#1042 Post by Drew Goin » April 9th, 2018, 4:36 am

Thanks for the tasting note, Dale!

Immediate consumption...after a four-hour decant? ;)

I had to pass on this release, but this one sounds very good. The "RRV Old Vines" Zin was always a killer. I wonder if this is going to replace it?

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#1043 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » April 9th, 2018, 3:16 pm

Just got my winter allocation from Carlisle in the mail. A variety pack of 2016 zins. For someone who is a relative newbie to their wines, which can I try now with some slow ox/decanting vs. cellar for later?
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#1044 Post by Michael Martin » April 9th, 2018, 4:30 pm

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  • 2016 Carlisle Zinfandel Piner Olivet Ranches Sonoma Valley - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Valley (4/8/2018)
    Decanted 4 hrs. I'm 100% positive if I was served this blind, I couldn't have told you it was a blend of the Power 3 (Carlisle / Papera / Montafi) vineyards - but I sure as hell had better have deducted that it was a Russian River Zin, and a darn good one at that. Not only open and approachable, this was surprisingly integrated and in mid-season form. The fruit was deep and layered, with strong floral oils abound, I was thinking of a slightly lighter version of a strong Montafi vintage - funny though that vineyard was only 7% of the blend. Good closing structure on the back half. Absolutely one to drink early without regret. Outstanding. (93 pts.)
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I agree, you would never think this was a blend of the big 3. It’s good, but not as good as each has been individually. I think it needs more bottle/cellar time. Will hold my others.

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#1045 Post by M. Chacchia » April 11th, 2018, 9:46 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:Just got my winter allocation from Carlisle in the mail. A variety pack of 2016 zins. For someone who is a relative newbie to their wines, which can I try now with some slow ox/decanting vs. cellar for later?
I've been on their list for a few years now and can attest, generally, that the Zins/Syrahs get better with age. You can see some recent posts though that many can be enjoyed earlier. Try a few now but save most for later. Of course many whites can go early. I find it difficult to wait though. I have some Zins and Syrahs from '12, '13 & '14 that I want to pop but I will wait and be rewarded more greatly.
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#1046 Post by Bud Carey » April 11th, 2018, 11:20 am

On deck... 2009 Cardiac Hill syrah
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#1047 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » April 11th, 2018, 2:13 pm

I caved and started decanting a 2016 Piner Oliver Ranches Zin.
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#1048 Post by P. D e r d e y n » April 11th, 2018, 3:40 pm

That'll be great after a few hours of air Brian, please report back.
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#1049 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » April 11th, 2018, 4:15 pm

Lovely wine for my first Carlisle!

Decanted it about 3 hours ago. Rich layers of ripe blueberries, raspberries, and dark-chocolate covered cherries. There's some bramble and a nice floral note of lavender and purple flowers with a touch of mint and baking spice. Had an angular mouthfeel (first time I'm ever using this descriptor), with refined tannins and a slightly lighter body than I'm used to with other zin producers. The finish is long and ends with the ripe blue fruits and chocolate. This is so delicious!
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#1050 Post by jon leifer » April 11th, 2018, 7:45 pm

2010 Syrah, Bennett Valley, drinking quite nicely tonight but no rush if ya got em, should go out for another 5 years if not longer
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