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#1 Post by Joel W »

So... I was thinking about this today while stuck in LA traffic coming home.

A few weeks ago I was on WineBid and came across a few bottles of Cab Franc that sparked my interest.

It was 2001 Guilliams Cab Franc

Price seemed right...
2001? Good Napa Vintage, right?
Cab Franc? I LOVE ME SOME Cab Franc!
Spring Mountain? OK... Wow, this is getting better.

So, I think "Hey, I'm not familiar with these guys but I think I need to be. This is right in my wheelhouse"

I look them up on Google and on the search function on WB.... and Poof, Sold. Gone.

It got me thinking, we know the winery business is a rough one. This board has a ton of knowledge, experience and a great memory.

Plenty of wineries have gone the way of the Dodo.... share with us a few wineries where you think, "Damn, I really miss that juice!"

I remember I had a few bottles of Kelham MacLean Cab quite a few years ago and I thought it was great. I know they're gone. Roessler was bought up by the Halls and re-launched as "Walt". Plenty others have been sold, whatever.

Discuss... share, etc.
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#2 Post by Michael Martin »

Oakville Terraces. Though it may resurface with new owners.

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#3 Post by larry schaffer »

Garretson was a fave for many . . .
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#5 Post by ky1em!ttskus »

Paging TomHill. ;)

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#6 Post by Paul Luckin »

larry schaffer wrote:Garretson was a fave for many . . .
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#7 Post by Nolan E »

I think Guilliams is the first winery for me where I followed them before they sold. Great wines and great people, hope they're enjoying life!
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#8 Post by AlexS »

Havens.

And I mean the real Havens, not the oak-shake, spoof-fest masquerading as such on WTSO...
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#9 Post by BTraub »

More recently, Karl Lawrence.

Of course a lot of greats from the '70's died and were reincarnated in Fred Franzia's portfolio, as jug wines trying to live off the old reputations of once-good wineries--Hacienda, Grand Cru, and of course most (in)famously of all, Charles Shaw. In any meaningful sense, those original wineries are long gone.

A couple of older ones that I can remember are Roddis and Fretter, but as noted above, Tom Hill probably followed dozens of them from the very start--and to the very finish.
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#10 Post by Dave Hauser »

AlexS wrote:Havens.

And I mean the real Havens, not the oak-shake, spoof-fest masquerading as such on WTSO...
+1

The Merlot was really good, the Syrah better, and the Bourriquot was just great.

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#12 Post by Craig G »

Yep, Havens. Did anyone else catch those $15 2001 Bourriquots from Envoyer?
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#13 Post by John Glas »

larry schaffer wrote:Garretson was a fave for many . . .


+1
So why did Matt get out of the winery business? He ended up going to back to MN to work for a distributor and that didn't go so well. Great guy and I believe he is doing something with spirits.

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#14 Post by D. Wirsig »

I loaded up on that havens sale maybe 5 years ago? Crazy cheap prices.
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#15 Post by NED VALOIS »

The old La Jota Anniversary ,don't have experience with the new version.

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#16 Post by mark meyer »

Ritchie Creek-great cabs that could age like Bordeaux.

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#17 Post by AlexO »

Sawyer Cellars. The still sell wine but sold their vineyards to Foley Johnson a few years back. Heart of Rutherford off of 29, I buy them up whenever I find them. Great value.

San Permis. Found a bunch of this at JJ Buckley a year or two ago. Can't beat a solid $35 wine for $8.
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#18 Post by Steve Brickley »

Gemello
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#19 Post by Mike Evans »

Laurel Glen and SCMV are not the same and are essentially gone from the wines I loved.

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#20 Post by Joel Deutsch »

Second the call for Gemello and Ritchie Creek (Pete Minor's winery, I believe). Terrific wines that I enjoyed for years.

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#21 Post by Tom Lee »

In the way back machine...Lytton Springs Winery.

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#22 Post by Wes Barton »

Joel W wrote:Roessler was bought up by the Halls and re-launched as "Walt".
fyi the Roessler winemaker was (disclaimer: friend) Scott Shapley, who is now winemaker at Roar, Halcon and his own new label Flywheel.

I certainly agree with Gemello and Lytton Springs Winery (just opened a '94 - still on the young side) and add the short lived La Crema Vinera and Cronin.
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#23 Post by Bud Carey »

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#24 Post by mike pobega »

Plam. Exactly.

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#25 Post by gwagner »

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#26 Post by MitchTallan »

Another here saying it has to be Lytton Springs Winery. Awww Dick Sherwin-if only you could have stuck it out for longer.
For sentimental reasons, Thunder Mountain should get a mention, and there were some great Thunder Mountain wines.
Garretson? Mat is/was a super nice guy who had little of what it takes to run a successful winery. There were hits and misses includings spritzy bizarre whites and a significant fail with a much-ballyhooed Santa Barbara Wine Futures release of Alban Vineyard designated syrah. And then there were repeated failures to timely ship wine. They were exciting for the unexpected and they were balls to the wall, I'll give them that.
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#27 Post by K e v i n B. »

another vote for havens here
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#28 Post by ptheimer »

Another +1 for Karl Lawrence
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kylemittskus wrote:Paging TomHill. ;)
Later, Kyle......when I can give it more thought. And pull out my Benson or Chroman books to refresh my mind.

There are a lot of wineries that I used to love...but have morphed into something I don't much care for any more..
SutterHome/Montevina/NapaCllrs/MtVeeder/Franciscan/Havens/Wente/Concanon/Mazzoco/Rosenblum/CharlesShaw....
And then there are some favorites that are still going strong...nay..better than ever..
DryCreekVnyds/Ridge/Siduri/Novy/Carlisle...

Some of those, alas, I have not followed from the very start!!! [snort.gif]
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#30 Post by Jud Reis »

Piling on - another vote for Havens - is Michael Havens making wine somewhere else? Still have one bottle of bourriquot that I am saving for a special occasion....

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#31 Post by Matthew Harrington »

Bud Carey wrote:Olson Ogden
Yes! And I had only just discovered them.

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#32 Post by mike pobega »

ptheimer wrote:Another +1 for Karl Lawrence
Good news. they are back as of two weeks ago.

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#33 Post by mike pobega »

gwagner wrote:Cloud view.
I still have a couple in the cellar. You can now feel free paying upwards of $175 per with the new lables producing the Prichard stuff. [wow.gif]

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#34 Post by TomHill »

Jud Reis wrote:Piling on - another vote for Havens - is Michael Havens making wine somewhere else? Still have one bottle of bourriquot that I am saving for a special occasion....
I believe Michael is involved in the Abrente/Bedrock Albarino and Godello along w/ Morgan.
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#35 Post by ray ormand »

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#36 Post by John A Hunt »

Veedercrest.

The Chardonnay was one of the first wines I really began to enjoy a hundred years ago...

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#38 Post by DAVID GIBBS »

Ritchie Creek immediately comes to mind.
Pete Miner's cabs were rustic and delicious and age gracefully with the best of them.
Flew under the radar, probably because they maxed out at 800 cases, and take 15 to 20 years to
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#39 Post by M.Kaplan »

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#40 Post by Chris Seiber »

MitchTallan wrote: Garretson? Mat is/was a super nice guy who had little of what it takes to run a successful winery. There were hits and misses includings spritzy bizarre whites and a significant fail with a much-ballyhooed Santa Barbara Wine Futures release of Alban Vineyard designated syrah. And then there were repeated failures to timely ship wine. They were exciting for the unexpected and they were balls to the wall, I'll give them that.
I liked their wines, and I went to visit once while I was in Paso, during their business hours when their website said the tasting room was open. I showed up, and it was closed, nobody there, no explanation. The next time I was in town, I looked them up, and they had closed down their business.

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#41 Post by Larry P »

larry schaffer wrote:Garretson was a fave for many . . .
The first one that came to my mind.
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#42 Post by John Morris »

MitchTallan wrote:Garretson? Mat is/was a super nice guy who had little of what it takes to run a successful winery. There were hits and misses includings spritzy bizarre whites and a significant fail with a much-ballyhooed Santa Barbara Wine Futures release of Alban Vineyard designated syrah. And then there were repeated failures to timely ship wine. They were exciting for the unexpected and they were balls to the wall, I'll give them that.
This squares with my experience. I bought two bottles. One had gone feral (and that was under screwcap) and the other was really over the top -- porty and hot. Matt sent a replacement for the spoiled bottle when I mentioned it in an e-mail. I still have that, having saved it for curiousity.

Matt always seemed like a real gentleman on the eBob board, amid the nastiest spats there, and I really appreciated his gesture in sending the replacement. But based on the two syrahs I tasted, I didn't buy anymore.
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#43 Post by Paul H Galli »

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#44 Post by TomHill »

John A Hunt wrote:Veedercrest.

The Chardonnay was one of the first wines I really began to enjoy a hundred years ago...
Yup, John...agree. I particularly liked some of his LateHrvst Rieslings from WineryLake vnyd.
I did a visit w/ AlBaxter back in the mid-'70's. His wnry was an old/abandoned Arco Van de Graf accelerator
site there in Emeryville. I believe Al was a mathematician at UC/Berkley.

Actually, Veedercrest is not gone. The label still exists and is run by RonFonolio, one of the original investors.
Al planted a vnyd up on MtVeeder, but don't know whatever became of it. Maybe that became the ParasVnyd?? Anybody know??

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#45 Post by Anton D »

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#46 Post by Larry Stein »

Steve Brickley wrote:Gemello
I can out-Tom Hill on this one. When my family moved to the Bay Area in '59, I remember going with my Mom or Dad to the Gemello shop in Mountain View (near the intersection of El Monte and El Camino, IIRC). They would buy gallon jugs of Gemello Zin or Cab, and 750s of other wines. That was their first exposure to CA wine.

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#47 Post by Anton D »

Christian Brothers made redwood aged zin in the 70's that we kept around and drank into the 90's. It was surprisingly good.
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#48 Post by TomHill »

This thread is just like all the old folks down at the nursing home....sitting around in their wheelchairs & walkers....
reminiscing about the good ole days!!! Well...I'm not part of that crowd.....yet. [snort.gif]
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#49 Post by Bud Carey »

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TomHill wrote:This thread is just like all the old folks down at the nursing home....sitting around in their wheelchairs & walkers....
reminiscing about the good ole days!!! Well...I'm not part of that crowd.....yet. [snort.gif]
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