What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2701 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 9th, 2020, 6:22 pm

Nicolas G. wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Has anyone received information on the upcoming fall release !?
E-mail for the release last year went out July 23rd. I'd give a week or so before we hear anything.
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#2702 Post by joejolesch » July 9th, 2020, 7:00 pm

It’s coming 7/21 - I was wondering the same thing and heard back this morning.

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#2703 Post by JeremyMullman » July 10th, 2020, 9:25 am

joejolesch wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 7:00 pm
It’s coming 7/21 - I was wondering the same thing and heard back this morning.
Nice. Hopefully Morgan gives us a sneak peak at his notes, once they’re written.

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#2704 Post by AD Northup » July 10th, 2020, 10:22 am

Fall release was a blockbuster last year: Bedrock heritage, Evangelho, Old Hill, Carlisle, Limerick Lane, Sky Syrah, Evangelho special block release...
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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2705 Post by Leon Katraix » July 10th, 2020, 10:37 am

JeremyMullman wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 9:25 am
joejolesch wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 7:00 pm
It’s coming 7/21 - I was wondering the same thing and heard back this morning.
Nice. Hopefully Morgan gives us a sneak peak at his notes, once they’re written.
Notes are up on the website, under "Our Vintages"

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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2706 Post by Leon Katraix » July 10th, 2020, 10:42 am

Nicolas G. wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Has anyone received information on the upcoming fall release !?
Looks like the complete list is up on the Bedrock website under "Our Vintages" - typical killer Fall release - Carlisle, Old Hill,
Bedrock Heritage, Limerick Lane - very nice to see that there will a Staves release again this year, a personal fav

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#2707 Post by JeremyMullman » July 10th, 2020, 11:30 am

Leon Katraix wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 10:42 am
Nicolas G. wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Has anyone received information on the upcoming fall release !?
Looks like the complete list is up on the Bedrock website under "Our Vintages" - typical killer Fall release - Carlisle, Old Hill,
Bedrock Heritage, Limerick Lane - very nice to see that there will a Staves release again this year, a personal fav
The OVZ note sounds lovely as well. Thx!

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#2708 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 10th, 2020, 11:37 am

How was the 2019 vintage in Sonoma compared to 2018? I know in the note Morgan said the Bedrock Heritage is a little less structured than usual, was it really hot?
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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2709 Post by JeremyMullman » July 10th, 2020, 11:45 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 11:37 am
How was the 2019 vintage in Sonoma compared to 2018? I know in the note Morgan said the Bedrock Heritage is a little less structured than usual, was it really hot?
I have the same question. He also refers to the OVZ benefitting from a “Bearish” approach to selection for the heritage cuvees in 2019.

Curious for more insight there.

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#2710 Post by Leon Katraix » July 10th, 2020, 11:50 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 11:37 am
How was the 2019 vintage in Sonoma compared to 2018? I know in the note Morgan said the Bedrock Heritage is a little less structured than usual, was it really hot?
The weather was very even with no heat spikes, as close to "normal" as you can get - I have read this in a few places but of course can't remember specifically any of
them to give you a link. Interviews with winemakers I have read all agreed it was not a spectacular vintage like 2018 but should be very good across the board as
Mother Nature was very cooperative = did find this:

“This year we’re lucky in Sonoma,” says Kistler winemaker Jason Kesner, with a relieved grin. “2019 is a classic north California vintage.”
and this quote (from just before harvest), which basically says what just about every other description of Sonoma 2019 I've read said:
"2019 has been a steady, even-growing season that most vintners believe will come in above average"

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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2711 Post by Morgan Twain-Peterson » July 10th, 2020, 5:29 pm

Leon Katraix wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 10:37 am
JeremyMullman wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 9:25 am
joejolesch wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 7:00 pm
It’s coming 7/21 - I was wondering the same thing and heard back this morning.
Nice. Hopefully Morgan gives us a sneak peak at his notes, once they’re written.
Notes are up on the website, under "Our Vintages"
Good sleuthing as we didn't even know they were up on the website! Our back-of-site changed a bit and those notes were posted by accident as we were creating the items for the release- the notes that were posted were not edited or on the finalized wines so to spare my embarrassment over the inevitable bad grammar (and likely unfunny jokes) we have taken them down until they are cleaned up. I will get them posted here as soon as they are ready to go. Just so you guys know the likely list of wines is as follows:

2019 Old Vine Zin, CA
2019 Bedrock Heritage, SV
2019 Evangelho Heritage, CCC
2019 Old Hill Ranch Heritage, SV
2019 Dolinsek Ranch Heritage, RRV
2019 Esola Zinfandel, Amador County
2019 Noma Zinfandel, Lodi
2018 Nervo Ranch Heritage Wine, AV
2019 Bien Nacido Syrah SM
2018 Calico Syrah (a blend of Walker Vine Hill, Weill, Shake Ridge and others)
2019 Wirz Riesling, Cienega Valley
2019 Compagni Portis Heritage White, SV
2019 Staves of Waidhofen SB, SV

I will go into the 2019 vintage in some depth on the release and Chris and I plan on releasing a couple podcasts on Bedrock Wine Conversations going over the wines in detail. Hard to draw broad conclusions of the vintage since we work with such broad geography but I will say it has grown on me a lot in the cellar during elevage. The wines are generally a bit more generous and perhaps not as tight-knit as the 2018s- a bit like the 2012s but with perhaps a shade more richness like 2015.

In regards to the "bearish" production comment- we made less volume of essentially all of our vineyard designates this year knowing that one of our main outlets for their sale beyond the mailing list, restaurants, are heartbreakingly a bit of an unknown. Combine this with 2019 being a larger-crop vintage and it means that a higher percentage than normal of the old vine blend is made up of lots that would normally be vineyard designates- the old vines at Bedrock Vineyard alone makes up nearly 33% of the wine.

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#2712 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm

I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles...
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#2713 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 10th, 2020, 5:39 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm
I am keeping this to 12 bottles, I am keeping this to 12 bottles, I am keeping this to 12 bottles...
FTFY (or rather, FTFM).
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#2714 Post by Steve Gautier » July 10th, 2020, 6:00 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:39 pm
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm
I am keeping this to 12 bottles, I am keeping this to 12 bottles, I am keeping this to 12 bottles...
FTFY (or rather, FTFM).
Or - I keeping this to 6 bottles per wine, I keeping this to 6 bottles per wine . . .
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#2715 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 10th, 2020, 6:31 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm
I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles...

Doc you rich. I assume you mean 6 per cuvee.

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#2716 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 11th, 2020, 5:24 am

Damn. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!
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#2717 Post by Albert R » July 11th, 2020, 7:44 am

Always hard to keep it at a case! This will be no different.
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#2718 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » July 11th, 2020, 12:12 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 6:31 pm
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm
I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles...

Doc you rich. I assume you mean 6 per cuvee.

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Me unemployed. Just going to work PT going fwd methinks.

VA in Tucson just contacted me begging me to work nights as an acute care surgeon for 90-day contract.

Could it be b/c AZ docs are fleeing the coronastorm?
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#2719 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » July 11th, 2020, 12:13 pm

16 Alta Vista Gewurzt is a fine-boned example of the variety. Way less lichee than I’m used to, less viscous too.

Wife loved it.
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#2720 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 11th, 2020, 1:16 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 11th, 2020, 12:12 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 6:31 pm
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm
I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles...

Doc you rich. I assume you mean 6 per cuvee.

[cheers.gif]
Me unemployed. Just going to work PT going fwd methinks.

VA in Tucson just contacted me begging me to work nights as an acute care surgeon for 90-day contract.

Could it be b/c AZ docs are fleeing the coronastorm?
Dude, move back to FL. Seriously!

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#2721 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » July 11th, 2020, 2:43 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 11th, 2020, 1:16 pm
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 11th, 2020, 12:12 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 6:31 pm



Doc you rich. I assume you mean 6 per cuvee.

[cheers.gif]
Me unemployed. Just going to work PT going fwd methinks.

VA in Tucson just contacted me begging me to work nights as an acute care surgeon for 90-day contract.

Could it be b/c AZ docs are fleeing the coronastorm?
Dude, move back to FL. Seriously!
Yes!

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#2722 Post by Rich Brown » July 11th, 2020, 7:19 pm

Wow, this was REALLY good! Still a bit young for my tastes but delicious. A new Bedrock favorite for me!

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#2723 Post by Z Scheiner » July 12th, 2020, 8:02 am

2014 Oakville Farmhouse - made the mistake of trying to go through the wax and pull the cork out through it... works for most wax dipped bottles I encounter but this stuff is thick, bad idea! Salvaged the situation with only one tiny piece of cork falling in thankfully. My first of these and it was worth the premium. Floral, blackberry nose, really pretty. Vibrant dark berry fruit in the mouth with pepper, spice, and a hint of leafy green. Intense but not heavy. I haven’t tasted another Bedrock like this, or any wine, come to think of it.
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#2724 Post by joejolesch » July 13th, 2020, 4:58 pm

2018 OVZ...I may never know what these are like with some age on them, unless I can hide them from myself :D

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#2725 Post by Jeff_M. » July 14th, 2020, 2:03 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:36 pm
I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles, I am keeping this to 6 bottles...
Its hard to keep any Bedrock order under 2 cases. Just add 6 more bottles to the 18 you committed to Glenn. [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif]
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#2726 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 14th, 2020, 4:20 pm

2012 Bedrock Heritage. I'm in heaven.
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2017 Goodfellow Family Cellars Durant Vineyard Chardonnay
2015 Laherte Frères Champagne Blanc des Blancs Extra Brut Les Grands Crayeres
2001 Joh. Jos. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese
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#2727 Post by Mattstolz » July 14th, 2020, 5:03 pm

Morgan Twain-Peterson wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 5:29 pm
Leon Katraix wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 10:37 am
JeremyMullman wrote:
July 10th, 2020, 9:25 am


Nice. Hopefully Morgan gives us a sneak peak at his notes, once they’re written.
Notes are up on the website, under "Our Vintages"
Good sleuthing as we didn't even know they were up on the website! Our back-of-site changed a bit and those notes were posted by accident as we were creating the items for the release- the notes that were posted were not edited or on the finalized wines so to spare my embarrassment over the inevitable bad grammar (and likely unfunny jokes) we have taken them down until they are cleaned up. I will get them posted here as soon as they are ready to go. Just so you guys know the likely list of wines is as follows:

2019 Old Vine Zin, CA
2019 Bedrock Heritage, SV
2019 Evangelho Heritage, CCC
2019 Old Hill Ranch Heritage, SV
2019 Dolinsek Ranch Heritage, RRV
2019 Esola Zinfandel, Amador County
2019 Noma Zinfandel, Lodi
2018 Nervo Ranch Heritage Wine, AV
2019 Bien Nacido Syrah SM
2018 Calico Syrah (a blend of Walker Vine Hill, Weill, Shake Ridge and others)
2019 Wirz Riesling, Cienega Valley
2019 Compagni Portis Heritage White, SV
2019 Staves of Waidhofen SB, SV

I will go into the 2019 vintage in some depth on the release and Chris and I plan on releasing a couple podcasts on Bedrock Wine Conversations going over the wines in detail. Hard to draw broad conclusions of the vintage since we work with such broad geography but I will say it has grown on me a lot in the cellar during elevage. The wines are generally a bit more generous and perhaps not as tight-knit as the 2018s- a bit like the 2012s but with perhaps a shade more richness like 2015.

In regards to the "bearish" production comment- we made less volume of essentially all of our vineyard designates this year knowing that one of our main outlets for their sale beyond the mailing list, restaurants, are heartbreakingly a bit of an unknown. Combine this with 2019 being a larger-crop vintage and it means that a higher percentage than normal of the old vine blend is made up of lots that would normally be vineyard designates- the old vines at Bedrock Vineyard alone makes up nearly 33% of the wine.
is the "Calico Syrah" this release's version of the "north coast" and "California" Syrah from a price standpoint? thats a pretty sweet blend if it is!

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#2728 Post by Tom DeBiase » July 14th, 2020, 5:03 pm

Z Scheiner wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 8:02 am
2014 Oakville Farmhouse - made the mistake of trying to go through the wax and pull the cork out through it... works for most wax dipped bottles I encounter but this stuff is thick, bad idea! Salvaged the situation with only one tiny piece of cork falling in thankfully. My first of these and it was worth the premium. Floral, blackberry nose, really pretty. Vibrant dark berry fruit in the mouth with pepper, spice, and a hint of leafy green. Intense but not heavy. I haven’t tasted another Bedrock like this, or any wine, come to think of it.
This is a treasure of a vineyard and you are right. Nothing in California tastes like this. Nothing against Ridge or multiple other “Field Blends” but the Bedrock Farmhouse is unique. Would love to have a chat with Morgan about this site and it’s attributes.

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#2729 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 14th, 2020, 5:07 pm

Which release will have the elusive cabernet pfeffer?
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#2730 Post by AD Northup » July 14th, 2020, 5:14 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
July 14th, 2020, 5:07 pm
Which release will have the elusive cabernet pfeffer?
Ian Brand flashed some on Instagram awhile ago...probably just friends and family :(
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1994 Edmunds St. John Les Côtes Sauvages
2016 P. S. Garcia Grenache Piedra Lisa
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#2731 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 14th, 2020, 5:18 pm

AD Northup wrote:
July 14th, 2020, 5:14 pm
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
July 14th, 2020, 5:07 pm
Which release will have the elusive cabernet pfeffer?
Ian Brand flashed some on Instagram awhile ago...probably just friends and family :(
I sure hope not.
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2017 Goodfellow Family Cellars Durant Vineyard Chardonnay
2015 Laherte Frères Champagne Blanc des Blancs Extra Brut Les Grands Crayeres
2001 Joh. Jos. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese
2015 Josef Walter Hundsruck Spätburgunder "J"

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#2732 Post by Rich Brown » July 14th, 2020, 7:32 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
July 14th, 2020, 4:20 pm
2012 Bedrock Heritage. I'm in heaven.
Just so damn good. Impossible not to love that wine.

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#2733 Post by Rodrigo F. » July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am

If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
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#2734 Post by JeremyMullman » July 15th, 2020, 7:43 am

Depends on whether you are looking for cellar treasures, stuff to drink sooner or a mix of both.

I’m the latter so ...

I’d go 3x OVZ plus a Bedrock Heritage, a Wirz and either a Bien Nacido or Calico Syrah, depending upon which writeup sounds better to you. Could also swap Old Hill for Heritage if you’re so inclined.

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#2735 Post by Rodrigo F. » July 15th, 2020, 8:02 am

JeremyMullman wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:43 am
Depends on whether you are looking for cellar treasures, stuff to drink sooner or a mix of both.

I’m the latter so ...

I’d go 3x OVZ plus a Bedrock Heritage, a Wirz and either a Bien Nacido or Calico Syrah, depending upon which writeup sounds better to you. Could also swap Old Hill for Heritage if you’re so inclined.
A mix of both is definitely what I'm going for. Super helpful. Seems that the OVZ is a must!
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#2736 Post by Rich Brown » July 15th, 2020, 8:11 am

Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 8:02 am
JeremyMullman wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:43 am
Depends on whether you are looking for cellar treasures, stuff to drink sooner or a mix of both.

I’m the latter so ...

I’d go 3x OVZ plus a Bedrock Heritage, a Wirz and either a Bien Nacido or Calico Syrah, depending upon which writeup sounds better to you. Could also swap Old Hill for Heritage if you’re so inclined.
A mix of both is definitely what I'm going for. Super helpful. Seems that the OVZ is a must!
I'd add that the Dolinsek is one of the few single Vineyard offerings that has historically drank well young and one of my personal favorites in general. Def not to be missed :)

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#2737 Post by Mattstolz » July 15th, 2020, 5:21 pm

Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
this is a great release because there are some great foundational bedrock wines in the list.

if you're keeping it to 6 id go:
2 Calico Syrah
1 Bedrock heritage
1 Evangelho
1 Old hill ranch
1 Bien Nacido Syrah

I imagine you'll get about 100 combinations for answers here. But if you've had some OVZ before Id go for the other "bargain" bottle here and go for the Syrah vineyard blend (calico). these like $20ish Syrahs are IMO the sleeper of everything Bedrock makes. They drink well from release to several years down the road while the Heritage blends rest. also, I semi-secretly think that Bedrock does Syrah better than anything else, plus they're all made with grapes from the amazing vineyards they work with. they are THE cellar defender in my house.

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#2738 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » July 15th, 2020, 5:25 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
this is a great release because there are some great foundational bedrock wines in the list.

if you're keeping it to 6 id go:
2 Calico Syrah
1 Bedrock heritage
1 Evangelho
1 Old hill ranch
1 Bien Nacido Syrah

I imagine you'll get about 100 combinations for answers here. But if you've had some OVZ before Id go for the other "bargain" bottle here and go for the Syrah vineyard blend (calico). these like $20ish Syrahs are IMO the sleeper of everything Bedrock makes. They drink well from release to several years down the road while the Heritage blends rest. also, I semi-secretly think that Bedrock does Syrah better than anything else, plus they're all made with grapes from the amazing vineyards they work with. they are THE cellar defender in my house.
You have inside info on prices?

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#2739 Post by Rich Brown » July 15th, 2020, 5:40 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
this is a great release because there are some great foundational bedrock wines in the list.

if you're keeping it to 6 id go:
2 Calico Syrah
1 Bedrock heritage
1 Evangelho
1 Old hill ranch
1 Bien Nacido Syrah

I imagine you'll get about 100 combinations for answers here. But if you've had some OVZ before Id go for the other "bargain" bottle here and go for the Syrah vineyard blend (calico). these like $20ish Syrahs are IMO the sleeper of everything Bedrock makes. They drink well from release to several years down the road while the Heritage blends rest. also, I semi-secretly think that Bedrock does Syrah better than anything else, plus they're all made with grapes from the amazing vineyards they work with. they are THE cellar defender in my house.
Ha! You'll definitley get 100+ combinations as I actually feel the exact opposite in that Morgan really shines with the zin/zin-blends, and I don't buy the Syrahs at all.

I'm also probably in the minority in that I've never really dug Evangelho. Absolutley love the story and always want to like it..
.but it never shines for me.

That being said, I'd remove both Syrahs and the Evangelho from your list and add Dolinsek and Esola. Opened my first 15 the other day and chose Esola. FIRE!! Def do not sleep on that one!

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#2740 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 15th, 2020, 5:43 pm

Rich Brown wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
this is a great release because there are some great foundational bedrock wines in the list.

if you're keeping it to 6 id go:
2 Calico Syrah
1 Bedrock heritage
1 Evangelho
1 Old hill ranch
1 Bien Nacido Syrah

I imagine you'll get about 100 combinations for answers here. But if you've had some OVZ before Id go for the other "bargain" bottle here and go for the Syrah vineyard blend (calico). these like $20ish Syrahs are IMO the sleeper of everything Bedrock makes. They drink well from release to several years down the road while the Heritage blends rest. also, I semi-secretly think that Bedrock does Syrah better than anything else, plus they're all made with grapes from the amazing vineyards they work with. they are THE cellar defender in my house.
Ha! You'll definitley get 100+ combinations as I actually feel the exact opposite in that Morgan really shines with the zin/zin-blends, and I don't buy the Syrahs at all.

I'm also probably in the minority in that I've never really dug Evangelho. Absolutley love the story and always want to like it..
.but it never shines for me.

That being said, I'd remove both Syrahs and the Evangelho from your list and add Dolinsek and Esola. Opened my first 15 the other day and chose Esola. FIRE!! Def do not sleep on that one!
Amen brother. The syrahs are well-made wines but as someone who doesn't drink syrah regularly I usually pass on it. Evangelho is good but doesn't reach the heights of the other Heritage blends IMHO.
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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2741 Post by Mattstolz » July 15th, 2020, 5:47 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:25 pm
Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:21 pm


this is a great release because there are some great foundational bedrock wines in the list.

if you're keeping it to 6 id go:
2 Calico Syrah
1 Bedrock heritage
1 Evangelho
1 Old hill ranch
1 Bien Nacido Syrah

I imagine you'll get about 100 combinations for answers here. But if you've had some OVZ before Id go for the other "bargain" bottle here and go for the Syrah vineyard blend (calico). these like $20ish Syrahs are IMO the sleeper of everything Bedrock makes. They drink well from release to several years down the road while the Heritage blends rest. also, I semi-secretly think that Bedrock does Syrah better than anything else, plus they're all made with grapes from the amazing vineyards they work with. they are THE cellar defender in my house.
You have inside info on prices?
im assuming from what Morgan said that the calico is this release's version of the "north coast" and "Sonoma coast" Syrahs, as they are normally Syrahs from a blend of their vineyards priced way below what they are actually worth... normally about $20. I don't think it'll be far from that, but I wouldn't blame Morgan and Chris if it is, cuz IMO those wines are normally screaming deals.

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#2742 Post by AD Northup » July 15th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:47 pm
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:25 pm
Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:21 pm


this is a great release because there are some great foundational bedrock wines in the list.

if you're keeping it to 6 id go:
2 Calico Syrah
1 Bedrock heritage
1 Evangelho
1 Old hill ranch
1 Bien Nacido Syrah

I imagine you'll get about 100 combinations for answers here. But if you've had some OVZ before Id go for the other "bargain" bottle here and go for the Syrah vineyard blend (calico). these like $20ish Syrahs are IMO the sleeper of everything Bedrock makes. They drink well from release to several years down the road while the Heritage blends rest. also, I semi-secretly think that Bedrock does Syrah better than anything else, plus they're all made with grapes from the amazing vineyards they work with. they are THE cellar defender in my house.
You have inside info on prices?
im assuming from what Morgan said that the calico is this release's version of the "north coast" and "Sonoma coast" Syrahs, as they are normally Syrahs from a blend of their vineyards priced way below what they are actually worth... normally about $20. I don't think it'll be far from that, but I wouldn't blame Morgan and Chris if it is, cuz IMO those wines are normally screaming deals.
It would be strange for that and OVZ to be in the same release though, right? Though I guess with the cab, Lulu, OVZ and Syrah, there has to be crossover in the three releases...
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#2743 Post by Vince T » July 15th, 2020, 5:51 pm

Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
Well, I’d cheat a bit and say 6 old hill which would set your budget at $300... then re-neg on those, get 6 OVZ, 2 Dolinsek, 1 old hill, 1 calico Syrah and 1 bedrock heritage. 10 bottles for the price of 6! Or something like that! neener

And I’m with Rich, in that Evangelho is not my favorite cuvée. But I’m also maybe in the minority that loves Nervo.
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#2744 Post by Mattstolz » July 15th, 2020, 5:57 pm

AD Northup wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:48 pm
Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:47 pm
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:25 pm

You have inside info on prices?
im assuming from what Morgan said that the calico is this release's version of the "north coast" and "Sonoma coast" Syrahs, as they are normally Syrahs from a blend of their vineyards priced way below what they are actually worth... normally about $20. I don't think it'll be far from that, but I wouldn't blame Morgan and Chris if it is, cuz IMO those wines are normally screaming deals.
It would be strange for that and OVZ to be in the same release though, right? Though I guess with the cab, Lulu, OVZ and Syrah, there has to be crossover in the three releases...
:shrugs: maybe its just wishful thinking for me because I like those wines and my order from the last release didn't make it out before it got too hot for shipping here, so I'm missing them. it does sound like it fits the bill though. and overlap might make sense if there's a Calico AND a north coast/coast to foothills?

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#2745 Post by AD Northup » July 15th, 2020, 6:16 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:57 pm
AD Northup wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:48 pm
Mattstolz wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 5:47 pm


im assuming from what Morgan said that the calico is this release's version of the "north coast" and "Sonoma coast" Syrahs, as they are normally Syrahs from a blend of their vineyards priced way below what they are actually worth... normally about $20. I don't think it'll be far from that, but I wouldn't blame Morgan and Chris if it is, cuz IMO those wines are normally screaming deals.
It would be strange for that and OVZ to be in the same release though, right? Though I guess with the cab, Lulu, OVZ and Syrah, there has to be crossover in the three releases...
:shrugs: maybe its just wishful thinking for me because I like those wines and my order from the last release didn't make it out before it got too hot for shipping here, so I'm missing them. it does sound like it fits the bill though. and overlap might make sense if there's a Calico AND a north coast/coast to foothills?
His note did say yields were up...I don’t need MORE Bedrock bottling (and we have the Noma this go around already) but I’ll never reject another value bottling
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Re: What Bedrock wine are you drinking tonight?

#2746 Post by M@tt G. » July 15th, 2020, 6:44 pm

Rodrigo F. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
If I wanted to only get 6 bottles of this great offering, which ones would you guys recommend? I did a case a few months ago and got 4x Heritage, 3x Ode Lucien Red Wine, 2x Old Vine Zin, 3x Ode to Lulu Rose. Any recs appreciated!
Since you ordered some Rose last time I’ll recommend you look at the white wines in this release. The Compagni Portis is the only “heritage” level white and the Staves of Waidhofen SB is excellent... probably my favorite Bedrock white. These are two of the best white wines in the Bedrock portfolio.
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#2747 Post by Vince L. » July 15th, 2020, 6:49 pm

What's the S/H charges on this? The last impromptu release that I got said Flat Rate of $36. Would paying $6 shipping per bottle (Assuming 6 bottles purchase) make sense?
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#2748 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » July 15th, 2020, 6:58 pm

Vince L. wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 6:49 pm
What's the S/H charges on this? The last impromptu release that I got said Flat Rate of $36. Would paying $6 shipping per bottle (Assuming 6 bottles purchase) make sense?
If you can get the wines locally maybe. I can’t, so $6 shipping makes sense (even on a $20 bottle) plus better provenance.

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#2749 Post by Albert R » July 15th, 2020, 7:05 pm

Purchase a case and it’s $3 per bottle. newhere
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#2750 Post by JeremyMullman » July 16th, 2020, 7:13 am

Bedrock’s flat-rate shipping is outstanding and customer-first.

Given the many value bottling and the flat-rate shipping, it’s definitely a list that is structurally geared toward “volume” buyers. As someone with limited storage who doesn’t buy by the case, it’s not always the best fit for me. But I love the wines and don’t mind paying a slight per-bottle premium.

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