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#1 Post by Alan Eden » February 2nd, 2015, 10:34 am

Anyone got any info or knowledge on what to expect from 13 Pinots

If anyone has done any barrel tasting love to hear thoughts on the three bottlings

With all the add ons this now $75 a bottle, im just not convinced its unique enough for that, i know its well made and always enjoyable just that after a few years it never really surprises
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#2 Post by David Welch » February 2nd, 2015, 1:24 pm

I am a long time KB lister. I still buy Chardonnay but don't touch the Pinots any more. My palate has shifted and I find them overly alcoholic and not suitable for food. I have not heard of any change in house style so I am assuming that they will be big bold wines, very well made, in a style I no longer prefer.
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#3 Post by Bruce Rudman » February 2nd, 2015, 5:01 pm

How long has it been since you bought and tasted the Pinots, David? I agree some of their wines from the early 2000's were on the big side but I think they have steadily decreased alcohol and, to me, are certainly appropriate for food pairings. But to answer Alan's inquiry, last year we barrel tasted some of the Cirq, but I don't think we tasted the '13 KB's. I bought my allocation.
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#4 Post by Eric B. DBA » February 2nd, 2015, 5:02 pm

Bought mine today.
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#5 Post by K Krahenbuhl » February 2nd, 2015, 5:08 pm

How was the Cirq from the barrel Bruce?
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#6 Post by Jeff Br@ziun@s » February 2nd, 2015, 5:13 pm

Did anyone else have their allocation decreased? I've always bought my entire allocation but saw it cut 33% this year. Smaller crop?
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#7 Post by David Kaufman » February 2nd, 2015, 5:41 pm

Still on the fence about buying this year. Already bought a bunch of pinots off mailers this season, and for ~$75 all in I'm thinking my money would be better spent on Rhys and/or more R-M.

The chard is available local at release price, so I'll likely skip the white, just not sure about the red.

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#8 Post by Rick.T » February 2nd, 2015, 6:15 pm

My allocation was cut but I'm only purchasing the Chard this year. Like others, I'm focusing on other pinots like Rhys and a few others.
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#9 Post by Adam F. » February 2nd, 2015, 6:21 pm

I'm having the same internal debate. It has been ongoing for the past few years as my palate has changed. The KB's still have their place - I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
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#10 Post by larry schaffer » February 2nd, 2015, 7:43 pm

Curious - how much is the chardonnay going for these days for club members?

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#11 Post by K Krahenbuhl » February 2nd, 2015, 7:45 pm

larry schaffer wrote:Curious - how much is the chardonnay going for these days for club members?

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#12 Post by Rick.T » February 2nd, 2015, 7:45 pm

larry schaffer wrote:Curious - how much is the chardonnay going for these days for club members?

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#13 Post by AndrewH » February 2nd, 2015, 7:58 pm

Jeff Br@ziun@s wrote:Did anyone else have their allocation decreased? I've always bought my entire allocation but saw it cut 33% this year. Smaller crop?
It's ok, just more money for other wine. champagne.gif
Same as what I ordered last year (I believe - I may have ordered only 2 chard, but got 4 this year).
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#14 Post by Bruce Rudman » February 2nd, 2015, 8:30 pm

Jeff Br@ziun@s wrote:Did anyone else have their allocation decreased? I've always bought my entire allocation but saw it cut 33% this year. Smaller crop?
It's ok, just more money for other wine. champagne.gif

I think I was offered one less RRV. I was not offered any SLH this year or last- don't know why as I am sure I was before.

As for the Cirq, I like it. I've bought the two vintages offered- I don't think the '12's have shipped yet. I had a bottle of the '11 which I enjoyed in a restaurant with two others who were ITB. It was decanted but drank right away. My more knowledgable friends thought it was mononote. It was also popped and poured in a restaurant. This was around Christmas 2013. I thought it was similar to many Gaps Crown wines I'd had before (yes, I know it's not a Gaps Crown - just a comparison point). Earlier that same day, we tasted at the winery. I think the '12 already tasted ready and maybe even more open than the '11 did later that night. Am looking forward to my delivery but I'll let it sleep a bit.
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#15 Post by Bud Carey » February 3rd, 2015, 4:17 am

I believe Michael suggested waiting 3 years to open a 2011 Cirq,
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#16 Post by Bud Carey » February 3rd, 2015, 4:18 am

Oh... and I bought my entire KB allocation - 24 bottles.
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#17 Post by James Rife » February 4th, 2015, 1:01 pm

My allocation matches EXACTLY what I bought last spring.

I also have no SLH - 6 RRV, 7 Sonoma, and 6 Chard. - not sure why some people get SLH and some don't. Also - no offers for single vineyard yet.

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#18 Post by Chris Seiber » February 4th, 2015, 2:59 pm

James Rife wrote:My allocation matches EXACTLY what I bought last spring.

I also have no SLH - 6 RRV, 7 Sonoma, and 6 Chard. - not sure why some people get SLH and some don't. Also - no offers for single vineyard yet.
Same for me, I got allocated the exact bottles I bought last spring, even though I had bought more than that the previous two winters at least. Though I can wish list more of any of them - no idea whether I'd get them, but my gut says yes.

Interesting that the alcohol is lower (14.2%) on the SLH than on the two Sonomas (both 14.5%), and the acidity is higher on the SLH as well. I would have assumed the opposite.

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#19 Post by Gerald Audant » February 4th, 2015, 3:14 pm

James Rife wrote:My allocation matches EXACTLY what I bought last spring.
Same here. Plus the prices stayed exactly the same: $64/bottle per Pinot & $58/bottle per Chard.

Anyone know if amount you buy in the Spring has any impact on what you are offered in the Fall?

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#20 Post by Chris Seiber » February 4th, 2015, 3:57 pm

Gerald Audant wrote:
James Rife wrote:My allocation matches EXACTLY what I bought last spring.
Same here. Plus the prices stayed exactly the same: $64/bottle per Pinot & $58/bottle per Chard.

Anyone know if amount you buy in the Spring has any impact on what you are offered in the Fall?
My sense is that the same thing is going to happen with your fall purchase. E.g. if you bought one bottle each of Gap's, Keefer and Koplen last year, you'll probably get allocated those three bottles this year.

But I think if you buy everything you are allocated, then you probably get a bigger allocation next year.

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#21 Post by Jody Smith » February 4th, 2015, 7:35 pm

James Rife wrote:My allocation matches EXACTLY what I bought last spring.

I also have no SLH - 6 RRV, 7 Sonoma, and 6 Chard. - not sure why some people get SLH and some don't. Also - no offers for single vineyard yet.
Supposedly the spring/fall offerings are managed as separate lists. I made the SVD this fall, but no SLH for me in the spring.

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#22 Post by amjohnstone » February 5th, 2015, 5:49 am

Another data point.

Last Spring, my allocation was two Chards, six RRV, and four SC. I bought them all.

This Spring, my allocation was two Chards, five RRV, four SC, and three SLC. I passed on the Chards this time and bought three each of the Pinots.

We'll see what this does to my allocation next year.
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#23 Post by David Welch » February 5th, 2015, 8:45 am

Last ones I tried were the 11s. Big and bold, well made, still in a style that I no longer prefer.
Bruce Rudman wrote:How long has it been since you bought and tasted the Pinots, David? I agree some of their wines from the early 2000's were on the big side but I think they have steadily decreased alcohol and, to me, are certainly appropriate for food pairings. But to answer Alan's inquiry, last year we barrel tasted some of the Cirq, but I don't think we tasted the '13 KB's. I bought my allocation.
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#24 Post by JRGraham » February 14th, 2015, 5:41 pm

I've only been on the list since last year. What are thoughts on drinking window for these? I know the tasting card that comes with them says wait 3 years or otherwise decant 90min beforehand. The decant rule has served me well with the RRV and Sonoma '12s I have drank. Stil have more as I've wondered if I'm killing them young. So Drink'em? Wait for some baby fat to shed? . . .

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#25 Post by AndrewH » February 15th, 2015, 12:47 pm

JRGraham wrote:I've only been on the list since last year. What are thoughts on drinking window for these? I know the tasting card that comes with them says wait 3 years or otherwise decant 90min beforehand. The decant rule has served me well with the RRV and Sonoma '12s I have drank. Stil have more as I've wondered if I'm killing them young. So Drink'em? Wait for some baby fat to shed? . . .

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I wouldn't worry about drinking them young. They're not wines that seem to get better with 5+ years in the bottle.
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#26 Post by Chris Seiber » February 15th, 2015, 2:58 pm

I agree. I think they're at their best within 5 years or so of the vintage date. And I'm usually the biggest fan of aging pinots.

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#27 Post by Alan Eden » February 15th, 2015, 4:05 pm

I had the 09 RRV the other day and I would have to say that the 12 RRV is better, its as if the older they get the more cough syrup/cherry cola comes out, they lose the acidity and freshness and I prefer that

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#28 Post by ncostanzo1 » February 15th, 2015, 8:16 pm

I do prefer the Sonoma Coast offering vs RRV now, the RRV appellation release seems like a blend of nearly 10 vineyards now. Not saying that is for the worst but it has lost a little luster for me and with the plethora RRV Pinot's for less make it an easy pass for me at this point. Allocation was the same as last year, but I have been getting wines off anothers list which helped get some SLH and SC's in previous years.
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#29 Post by David Kaufman » February 18th, 2015, 11:24 am

Went to place my order and the saved shipping address that I've used in the past is now flagged as a"no-ship" state. Guess that makes it an easy pass for me

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#30 Post by JRGraham » February 23rd, 2015, 10:13 pm

Thanks Andrew and Chris for the helpful notes. Cheers.
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