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#101 Post by Keith A k e r s » August 15th, 2014, 7:21 am

Matt Latuchie wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote: i actually have been thinking there are a lot less burgundy based posts here now. Leaning more toward CA again.

15-6 for CA to burgundy on page one.
CA is the fastest growing segment of my wine collection.

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#102 Post by Craig G » August 15th, 2014, 7:29 am

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#103 Post by Martin Steinley » August 15th, 2014, 7:34 am

Craig Gleason wrote:Trévallon
You win.
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#104 Post by Peter Petersen » August 15th, 2014, 7:56 am

Alan Rath wrote:
Ryan Caughey wrote:I'm also shocked there's not more discussion across the board of Austria. In my view, Hirtzberger, Prager, Alzinger, the Pichlers, Knoll, etc are making some of the finest wines on earth, and almost invariably they can be found for less than $100, often less than $50. Yet you see very little discussion of them.
That's because they aren't "cool" like Burgundy. Thank god! Oh, and BTW, shut up [wow.gif]
I buy a fair amount of Austrian GV as well as reds. They may not be popular here, but price increases on the better known producers indicate that they must have some popularity in the US.

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#105 Post by Peter Petersen » August 15th, 2014, 8:03 am

Chris Presutti wrote:Underappreciated even in this thread, Ojai. Definitely Ojai.
I love Ojai. Probably my fav Central Coast PNs. Just drank a wonderful 2006 Solomon Hills PN.

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#106 Post by M. Dildine » August 15th, 2014, 8:06 am

Taylor Broussard wrote:
M. Dildine wrote:The wines of Central Coast vineyard vagabond and berserker Ian Brand. Le P'Tit Paysan wine is wonderfully distinctive and a terrific value.

Somewhat hard to source though, I usually contact Ian.
Mike, they sell Le P'Tit Paysan at Trio Carmel on Dolores St. Looks like they have La Marea too which is made by Ian as well.
They do Taylor, but most Berserkers don't have the advantage of picking them up here locally.
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#107 Post by Warren Taranow » August 15th, 2014, 12:34 pm

Luneau-Papin, Domaine de la Pépière (Marc Ollivier), almost any Muscadet. An occasional whisper around these parts.
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#108 Post by Jay T. » August 15th, 2014, 12:43 pm

All Port, Sherry, and Madeira producers.
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#109 Post by Doug Lee » August 15th, 2014, 2:07 pm

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#110 Post by KatrinaBI » August 15th, 2014, 2:12 pm

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#111 Post by Roger Nellans » August 15th, 2014, 3:11 pm

Nicolas Rossignal...love his wines up and down the line. I don't see much posted here.
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#112 Post by PCLIN » August 15th, 2014, 8:49 pm

Lucien Le Moine.....love his Clos St Denis and Cazetiers.

Louis Trapet.....great Chambertin
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#113 Post by jcoley3 » August 15th, 2014, 8:59 pm

Also on the Napa front: Robert Craig. Excellent assortment of wines from several mountain AVAs at (relative to Napa) excellent prices. Affinity got a one-vintage fluffing from WA a few years ago, but the wines are, to me, consistently excellent, even in a year like 11 where people flee Napa even if the mountain wines are pretty good.
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#114 Post by J Fontamillas » August 18th, 2014, 9:18 am

BrianMarshall wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
They're a big accounting firm, right?
Charlie is making fun of all the posters that PMed him asking for what it stands for...
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#115 Post by J a y H a c k » August 18th, 2014, 9:44 am

jfont wrote:
BrianMarshall wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
They're a big accounting firm, right?
Charlie is making fun of all the posters that PMed him asking for what it stands for...
Charlie should introduce them to this obscure Internet resource that doesn't get sufficient mention on WB:

https://www.google.com/#q=pycm+wine
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#116 Post by J a y H a c k » August 18th, 2014, 9:45 am

PS - Benovia.
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#117 Post by Joshua Kates » August 19th, 2014, 3:06 am

Cali Pinot: Calera

Burg: G. Barthod, D. Bachelet

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#118 Post by PCLIN » August 19th, 2014, 5:30 am

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#119 Post by dteng » August 19th, 2014, 7:54 am

Roger Nellans wrote:Nicolas Rossignal...love his wines up and down the line. I don't see much posted here.
I agree.
One retailer told me there has historically been importer/distributor issues which is why we don't see a lot of it here - not sure how accurate that is.

Very well made wines.
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#120 Post by Brady Daniels » August 19th, 2014, 8:02 am

Rarely mentioned Pinots I like that deserve and maybe could use more love:
Crowley
White Rose
Follin Arbelet


The small producers that aren't struggling, I'll keep to myself, thanks. Last thing I need is to compete with a bunch of berserkers over a single barrel of burg.
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#121 Post by David K o l i n » August 19th, 2014, 10:25 am

Warren Taranow wrote:Luneau-Papin, Domaine de la Pépière (Marc Ollivier), almost any Muscadet. An occasional whisper around these parts.
Agreed, at least on the first two :-).

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#122 Post by John Davis » August 19th, 2014, 11:35 am

Morlet. Not cheap but top quality across the board.

Any number of grower Champagnes. Guy Charlemagne was mentioned I throw in Pierre Peters, Larmandier-Bernier, Pierre Gimonnet, Billiot....

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#123 Post by dbailey » August 19th, 2014, 11:42 am

Brady Daniels wrote:Rarely mentioned Pinots I like that deserve and maybe could use more love:
Crowley
White Rose
Follin Arbelet


The small producers that aren't struggling, I'll keep to myself, thanks. Last thing I need is to compete with a bunch of berserkers over a single barrel of burg.
Agree re Follin Arbelet and would add Albert Bichot/Clos Frantin.
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#124 Post by Ian Brand » August 19th, 2014, 4:24 pm

M. Dildine wrote:
Taylor Broussard wrote:
M. Dildine wrote:The wines of Central Coast vineyard vagabond and berserker Ian Brand. Le P'Tit Paysan wine is wonderfully distinctive and a terrific value.

Somewhat hard to source though, I usually contact Ian.
Mike, they sell Le P'Tit Paysan at Trio Carmel on Dolores St. Looks like they have La Marea too which is made by Ian as well.
They do Taylor, but most Berserkers don't have the advantage of picking them up here locally.
Thanks for the nod, Mike, and your support if the budding local scene. We don't strive to be hard to find, we just put most of our time into the production side of things and promotion tends to get the short shrift. Anyone can pm, email or call and we will respond (that is my direct line on the website lppwines.com). We make look like we bite, but we usually don't.
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#125 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 19th, 2014, 4:59 pm

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#126 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » August 19th, 2014, 5:42 pm

KatrinaBI wrote:Cowhorn
Whites are very interesting so far.
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#127 Post by G. Bienstock » August 19th, 2014, 10:20 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
KatrinaBI wrote:Cowhorn
Whites are very interesting so far.
2009 Syrah was also very good.
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#128 Post by KatrinaBI » August 19th, 2014, 10:45 pm

G. Bienstock wrote:
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
KatrinaBI wrote:Cowhorn
Whites are very interesting so far.
2009 Syrah was also very good.

I like the whites very much. The Syrahs seems to get better every vintage and the 2010 estate 58 Syrah is gobsmackingly delicious (no "reserve" bottling in 2010.)

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#129 Post by Rick.T » August 19th, 2014, 10:45 pm

Peter Petersen wrote:
Chris Presutti wrote:Underappreciated even in this thread, Ojai. Definitely Ojai.
I love Ojai. Probably my fav Central Coast PNs. Just drank a wonderful 2006 Solomon Hills PN.
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#130 Post by CJ Beazley » August 20th, 2014, 5:29 am

Roger Nellans wrote:Nicolas Rossignal...love his wines up and down the line. I don't see much posted here.
Why is Burgundy so complicated, whats the difference between "Nicolas Rossignol" and Domaine Rossignol~Trapet? Cellar tracker only shows two wines from just "Nicolas" but many from Domaine.
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#131 Post by collin wolfe » August 20th, 2014, 7:02 am

CJ Beazley wrote:
Roger Nellans wrote:Nicolas Rossignal...love his wines up and down the line. I don't see much posted here.
Why is Burgundy so complicated, whats the difference between "Nicolas Rossignol" and Domaine Rossignol~Trapet? Cellar tracker only shows two wines from just "Nicolas" but many from Domaine.
As is often the case when names get confusing in Burgundy- cousins! In other words, I'm pretty sure there are two different Nicolas Rossignols involved here, and I think they're cousins.

Rossignol-Trapet is a domaine based in Gevrey Chambertin; it was created in 1990 from half of the old Domaine Trapet holdings (Jean and Jean-Louis Trapet is the other half). The old Trapet domaine was run by Jean Trapet and Jacques Rossignol, Jean's brother-in-law (and husband of Mado Trapet). Since it's founding in 1990, domaine has been run by Jacques and Mado's sons Nicolas and David.

Domaine Nicolas Rossignol is the former Rossignol-Jeanniard domaine based in Volnay plus a few additions from Nicolas (and maybe some additional consolidation of other family vineyards- unclear to me). This Nicolas Rossignol is the son of prior owners of Rossignol-Jeanniard. He started in the late '90s, and sometime in the early-to-mid 2000s consolidated all of the Rossignol-Jeanniard wines under his name. Not that it matters too much, but I think legally, the old Rossignol-Jeanniard wines may be negociant wines- i.e., Nicolas Rossignol buys them from his father- but Nicolas is in control of the vineyards and the wines now.

I'm less clear on how the two Nicolas's are related, but I have to assume they are cousins of some sort. Jacques Rossignol (of domaine Trapet) is part of the extended Volnay Rossignol family, but there are a bunch of them, and I've never seen a family tree.

Also, CT shows many wines from Nicolas Rossignol: Nicolas Rossignol producer page

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#132 Post by DAVID GIBBS » August 20th, 2014, 9:45 am

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#133 Post by ray ormand » August 20th, 2014, 10:10 am

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#134 Post by Howard Cooper » August 20th, 2014, 10:46 am

collin wolfe wrote:
CJ Beazley wrote:
Roger Nellans wrote:Nicolas Rossignal...love his wines up and down the line. I don't see much posted here.
Why is Burgundy so complicated, whats the difference between "Nicolas Rossignol" and Domaine Rossignol~Trapet? Cellar tracker only shows two wines from just "Nicolas" but many from Domaine.
As is often the case when names get confusing in Burgundy- cousins! In other words, I'm pretty sure there are two different Nicolas Rossignols involved here, and I think they're cousins.

Rossignol-Trapet is a domaine based in Gevrey Chambertin; it was created in 1990 from half of the old Domaine Trapet holdings (Jean and Jean-Louis Trapet is the other half). The old Trapet domaine was run by Jean Trapet and Jacques Rossignol, Jean's brother-in-law (and husband of Mado Trapet). Since it's founding in 1990, domaine has been run by Jacques and Mado's sons Nicolas and David.

Domaine Nicolas Rossignol is the former Rossignol-Jeanniard domaine based in Volnay plus a few additions from Nicolas (and maybe some additional consolidation of other family vineyards- unclear to me). This Nicolas Rossignol is the son of prior owners of Rossignol-Jeanniard. He started in the late '90s, and sometime in the early-to-mid 2000s consolidated all of the Rossignol-Jeanniard wines under his name. Not that it matters too much, but I think legally, the old Rossignol-Jeanniard wines may be negociant wines- i.e., Nicolas Rossignol buys them from his father- but Nicolas is in control of the vineyards and the wines now.

I'm less clear on how the two Nicolas's are related, but I have to assume they are cousins of some sort. Jacques Rossignol (of domaine Trapet) is part of the extended Volnay Rossignol family, but there are a bunch of them, and I've never seen a family tree.

Also, CT shows many wines from Nicolas Rossignol: Nicolas Rossignol producer page
Thanks for the great explanation. I have tasted a couple of times at Rossignol-Trapet and Nicolas is a wonderful host (he speaks English, I don't think David who I only met briefly once does). I am a fan of Rossignol-Trapet wines.

I would add that Burgundy is confusing because we are dealing with the names of actual human beings rather than banks and insurance companies. Worth the effort.
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#135 Post by Kirk.Grant » November 24th, 2019, 7:57 am

I thought this might be a good topic to discuss again as this forum is responsible for discussing many of the producers that I like. I've updated my list, removed Keller, Maume (they were sold), and some other producers I have fallen out of love with.
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#136 Post by Arv R » November 24th, 2019, 10:49 am

In Bordeaux given how much TLC Magdelaine gets, I'm surprised more people haven't tried Soutard, a sort of similar wine.

On North Coast wines it seems like Togni and various Arrowood offerings don't get all that much discussion, esp relative for their quality & consistency.
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#137 Post by Bryan Price » November 24th, 2019, 11:59 am

Oh great, yet another list of wines I want to buy.
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#138 Post by J.Vizuete » November 24th, 2019, 12:41 pm

1. Failla
2. Broadly, Spainish reds
3. In Chablis: Patrick Piuze
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#139 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » November 24th, 2019, 12:44 pm

None. There are so many noteworthy producers that there is no way they can all get deserved acclaim in such a relatively small (as a percentage of wine drinkers) community.
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#140 Post by Peter Shurman » November 24th, 2019, 12:48 pm

Jean Edwards Cellars.

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#141 Post by Howard Cooper » November 24th, 2019, 1:03 pm

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#142 Post by Bryan Price » November 24th, 2019, 4:25 pm

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The pricing on D'Alfonso-Curran hits such a sweet spot for me. Bruno makes fantastic pinots and Kris hasn't made a white wine that I don't like, especially given her focus on less popular varieties.
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#143 Post by Bryan Price » November 24th, 2019, 4:28 pm

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I'm going to go with Ridge and Mayacamas. Two producers who have been making great, ageworthy wines for decades and I almost never see notes on them.
Jay there is a Ridge-specific thread a gajillion pages long! The bonus is there are lots of pics of bbq also.
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#144 Post by Otto Dobre » November 24th, 2019, 4:41 pm

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#145 Post by dcornutt » November 24th, 2019, 4:49 pm

Thomas Morey. He is really making incredible white burgundy!
Thibault Clerget from Volnay. If you don't know his name now, you will! These wines are Y Clerget.
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#146 Post by Dale Williams » November 24th, 2019, 5:07 pm

Arv R wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 10:49 am
In Bordeaux given how much TLC Magdelaine gets, I'm surprised more people haven't tried Soutard, a sort of similar wine.
I love Magdelaine, and like old school Soutard (I understand now it's pretty internationally/modern styled), but don't think they are that similar. I think Soutard is pretty marked by CF, at least in the vintages I've had a lot of (70, 82, 89). I think of Soutard as more like Trottevielle.

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#147 Post by Matt M . » November 24th, 2019, 5:20 pm

Virtually every Washington State producer: Hedges, Mark Ryan, L'Ecole 41, etc.

Aside from Cayuse, Quilceda Creek and Leonetti, not many WA wines are discussed here.
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#148 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 24th, 2019, 5:52 pm

dcornutt wrote:
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Thomas Morey. He is really making incredible white burgundy!
Thibault Clerget from Volnay. If you don't know his name now, you will! These wines are Y Clerget.
I feel like he’s getting some press. For me biggest omission is Nicholas rossignol, mentioned above. #1 burg producer in my cellar w clerget.

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#149 Post by Karen Troisi » November 25th, 2019, 9:38 am

Peter Shurman wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 12:48 pm
Jean Edwards Cellars.

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Rudi Finkler
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Re: What producers are you suprised dont get more mention on WB?

#150 Post by Rudi Finkler » November 25th, 2019, 10:01 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 12:44 pm
None. There are so many noteworthy producers that there is no way they can all get deserved acclaim in such a relatively small (as a percentage of wine drinkers) community.
But sometimes I’m surprised nonetheless. Haut-Marbuzet for example.
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