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#1 Post by Berry Crawford » August 13th, 2014, 7:55 pm

For Burgundy I'd probably say Bruno Clair. The wines are great and you just never see them being discussed or anyone posting TNs.

For California I'd say Porter Creek. They make wines in a style that a lot of people like here yet they never seem to be discussed.

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#2 Post by G. Bienstock » August 13th, 2014, 7:57 pm

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#3 Post by Craig G » August 13th, 2014, 8:04 pm

Just based on what I'm drinking, I'll say Navarro. I think the 2012 Anderson Valley Pinot is the best value PN I've ever had, and their Rosé of Grenache is my favorite Rosé. My daughter digs the Gewurztraminer juice too.
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#4 Post by Andrew Kaufman » August 13th, 2014, 8:15 pm

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#5 Post by Brian Tuite » August 13th, 2014, 8:16 pm

Myriad/Quivet/Ancillary - From outrageous goodness to outrageous customer service and all around great guy status you can't beat Mike Smith wines. Even with the spin he gets I think it is too little.
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#6 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 13th, 2014, 8:20 pm

DuMOL. Consistently solid wines, not stupidly priced, but rarely are they mentioned.

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#7 Post by alan weinberg » August 13th, 2014, 8:31 pm

Serafin, Clair (already mentioned), Ampeau, Saint Martin, Romanée Conti. Kidding about the last one.
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#8 Post by Michael Martin » August 13th, 2014, 8:33 pm

Jaffurs and Mazzocco.

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#9 Post by Todd F r e n c h » August 13th, 2014, 8:33 pm

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#10 Post by Anton D » August 13th, 2014, 8:44 pm

Peter Michael

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#11 Post by Jim Slatin » August 13th, 2014, 8:45 pm

bedrock--just kidding

how about Eric Kent; great cool climate pinots and syrahs at a great price

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#12 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 13th, 2014, 8:47 pm

Jim Slatin wrote:how about Eric Kent; great cool climate pinots and syrahs at a great price
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#13 Post by c fu » August 13th, 2014, 8:49 pm

Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
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#14 Post by Doug Ackerman » August 13th, 2014, 10:19 pm

almost all grower champagnes.

and pycm.
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#15 Post by Nate Simon » August 13th, 2014, 10:33 pm

Eric Kent, fo' shizz. One of the most consistently good Cali producers, IMO.
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#16 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 13th, 2014, 10:39 pm

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#17 Post by Jim Slatin » August 13th, 2014, 10:48 pm

as far as napa cabernet producers, I wonder why O'Shaughnessy does not get mentioned more often.

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#18 Post by jcoley3 » August 13th, 2014, 11:23 pm

Bruno Clair has been mentioned - Wines are excellent, but prices are brutal.

Serafin - Gorgeous wines that somehow have become dismissed as "too oaky" or "extracted," so no Burg fan on Berserkers will cop to liking them. Except Alan, who has serious street cred.

Navarro - the price they pay for tasting room/mailing list/restaurant only is that the wines aren't widely exposed.

Calera, Daniel Rion and Spottswoode genuinely surprise me in their categories.

For me -

Burgundy - Fichet. Glantenay. T. Morey and the other side of the family V & S Morey. Voillot. Maybe Regis Fprey outside of Gaudichots discussions. Langoreau. T. Liger-Belair.

Evesham Wood in Oregon.

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#19 Post by jcoley3 » August 13th, 2014, 11:24 pm

Champagne - Lilbert.
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#20 Post by Ryan Saccomano » August 13th, 2014, 11:34 pm

Drew, voillot, Rossignol.

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#21 Post by Chris Seiber » August 13th, 2014, 11:40 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Arcadian
My first thought as well. It gets mentioned a moderate amount, but somehow, it doesn't seem to catch the collector's buzz that other wineries offering similar style and quality, less proven track record for aging, and 150% to 200% the price attract.

To me, they're kind of like the Descendents or the Ramones. Lesser bands like Green Day came in their wake and got insanely rich in on the sound those pioneers created.

Or like Vince Young in the NFL. He got to the league just before they realized what amazing things you could do with a QB like him, then troglodyte Jeff Fisher convinced everyone he was a bum and ran him off, but very shortly afterwards teams realized that Colin Kaepernik, Robert Griffin, Russell Wilson and others could actually star in the league if you just gave them a chance and tried to build around their skill sets, even though they weren't tall sluggish white guys like Kerry Collins who could grow roots in the pocket and launch the 7 yard out pattern with a super tight spiral.

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#22 Post by jcoley3 » August 13th, 2014, 11:41 pm

Also in Burgundy - Cornu.
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#23 Post by Berry Crawford » August 14th, 2014, 12:39 am

Nate Simon wrote:Renaissance
Ive been told that recent vintages made without the help of Gideon are not anything like they used to be.

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#24 Post by Brian Gilp » August 14th, 2014, 2:42 am

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#25 Post by mike pobega » August 14th, 2014, 3:10 am

Eric Kent
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#26 Post by Chris Presutti » August 14th, 2014, 3:44 am

Underappreciated even in this thread, Ojai. Definitely Ojai. I also haven't heard mention of Clos Pepe in a while.

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#27 Post by BrianMarshall » August 14th, 2014, 3:44 am

Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
They're a big accounting firm, right?
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#28 Post by Scott Brunson » August 14th, 2014, 3:45 am

Berry Crawford wrote:For Burgundy I'd probably say Bruno Clair. The wines are great and you just never see them being discussed or anyone posting TNs.
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Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
here is where I found them--Thanks for that
jcoley3 wrote:Also in Burgundy - Cornu.
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#29 Post by Kirk.Grant » August 14th, 2014, 4:09 am

Bachelet-Monnot and A. et P. de Villaine - Burgundy
Coudert - Beaujolais
Lorenzo Accomasso and G. Mascarello - Piedmont
Georg Breuer - Germany
Ernest Burn - Alsace
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#30 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 14th, 2014, 4:30 am

jcoley3 wrote:Bruno Clair has been mentioned - Wines are excellent, but prices are brutal.
Ain't that the truth. The Dominode was crazy expensive (for what it is) before Burgundy got to be crazy expensive. The rest...forget it.
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#31 Post by Markus S » August 14th, 2014, 4:31 am

Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
Don't they teach young lawyers how to spell things out in law school? neener
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#32 Post by Barry IncaRoads Sheck » August 14th, 2014, 4:39 am

Seconded on Jaffurs. And Herman Story, unless I just haven't noticed any significant WB attention thrown their way.

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#33 Post by S. Williams » August 14th, 2014, 5:11 am

Love, love, LOVE Herman Story. And the other label in that wine-making family, Desparada, is also coming along very nicely.

Herman Story, Bedrock and Carlisle have been the top three producers in my cellar for quite a few years now, with the latter two getting plenty of (well-deserved) praise and chatter here, while I've only seen Story mentioned a few times.

Will also second Ojai as someone making some lovely stuff, at good value, across the board. I've had really mixed results with Jaffurs. Some awesome stuff, some awful.

Ramey? Rasa? Alban? I'm guessing the first and last may be too "mainstream" at this point to warrant shout-outs, but I'm sort of surprised Rasa isn't talked about more.
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#34 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 14th, 2014, 5:12 am

Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
Didn't Michael Jackson have a song with that acronym?

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#35 Post by CJ Beazley » August 14th, 2014, 5:12 am

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#36 Post by Corey N. » August 14th, 2014, 5:18 am

Chris Seiber wrote:Or like Vince Young in the NFL.
Umm, Vince Young sucked as evidenced by his 46-51 TD-interception rating and 74.4 passer rating. He's the football equivalent of a winemaker who gets great grapes and then mucks it up with too much oak. And the wines are bretty. And corked. And smoke-tainted. And...

<ahem>

Pavelot. The last of the affordable burgundy. Delicious young and age-able.

Dublere. The "other" American making wines in Burgundy.
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#37 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 14th, 2014, 5:22 am

Beyond just naming wineries, I'd be curious as to WHY we don't think these producers get the love we feel they deserve. E.g. price, no longer the "hip new thing", associated with a wine club vs. limited allocation, etc. Thoughts?

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#38 Post by Steve L Gellman » August 14th, 2014, 5:35 am

Shafer doesn't get much mention

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#39 Post by gwagner » August 14th, 2014, 5:39 am

I could be proven wrong, but for what they are, my list is:

Alvaro Palacios, T. Liger - Belair, Domaine Montille, Sean Capiaux.

I'm really surprised that Ridge Monte Bello is not focused on more often.
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#40 Post by Robert R » August 14th, 2014, 5:49 am

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#41 Post by Chris Tuttle » August 14th, 2014, 5:54 am

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#42 Post by Robert.Fleming » August 14th, 2014, 6:04 am

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#43 Post by Jack Linden » August 14th, 2014, 6:05 am

Corey N. wrote:
Chris Seiber wrote:Or like Vince Young in the NFL.
Umm, Vince Young sucked as evidenced by his 46-51 TD-interception rating and 74.4 passer rating. He's the football equivalent of a winemaker who gets great grapes and then mucks it up with too much oak. And the wines are bretty. And corked. And smoke-tainted. And...

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Pavelot. The last of the affordable burgundy. Delicious young and age-able.

Dublere. The "other" American making wines in Burgundy.
+1 on both of those. Particularly Dublere: He is the "only" American truly making wine in Burgundy, and merits more attention despite not seeking it.

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#44 Post by Howard Cooper » August 14th, 2014, 6:14 am

I can agree with PYCM. Also, Bernard Moreau.

But to me there is an entire category of wine that amazingly never gets discussed on this board - non-trophy Bordeaux. Have wines like Gloria, Meyney, Ormes de Pez, Phelan Segur, etc., etc., etc., ceased to exist?
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#45 Post by M. Dildine » August 14th, 2014, 6:34 am

alan weinberg wrote:Serafin, Clair (already mentioned), Ampeau, Saint Martin, Romanée Conti. Kidding about the last one.
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#46 Post by Ken V » August 14th, 2014, 6:36 am

Charlie Fu wrote:Pycm cause people still don't know what it stands for.
I just assumed it was a typo:

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#47 Post by Jim Anderson » August 14th, 2014, 7:02 am

Jack Linden wrote:
Corey N. wrote:
Chris Seiber wrote:Or like Vince Young in the NFL.
Umm, Vince Young sucked as evidenced by his 46-51 TD-interception rating and 74.4 passer rating. He's the football equivalent of a winemaker who gets great grapes and then mucks it up with too much oak. And the wines are bretty. And corked. And smoke-tainted. And...

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Pavelot. The last of the affordable burgundy. Delicious young and age-able.

Dublere. The "other" American making wines in Burgundy.
+1 on both of those. Particularly Dublere: He is the "only" American truly making wine in Burgundy, and merits more attention despite not seeking it.
Not sure if that is tongue and cheek. There are certainly other Americans making wine in Burgundy and some of them, Chris Newman for instance, have been there for quite some time.
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#48 Post by RyanC » August 14th, 2014, 7:13 am

Many names have been mentioned. Here's another: Pousse d'Or. Although they pop up somewhat regularly on this board, I'm always surprised by the fact that Pousse d'Or doesn't get more press. They have excellent holdings and make beautiful wines, many of which are still quite reasonably priced (compared with Lafarge, d'Angerville etc) and frequently go on sale.

I'm also shocked there's not more discussion across the board of Austria. In my view, Hirtzberger, Prager, Alzinger, the Pichlers, Knoll, etc are making some of the finest wines on earth, and almost invariably they can be found for less than $100, often less than $50. Yet you see very little discussion of them.
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#49 Post by Jack Linden » August 14th, 2014, 7:19 am

Jim Anderson wrote:Not sure if that is tongue and cheek. There are certainly other Americans making wine in Burgundy and some of them, Chris Newman for instance, have been there for quite some time.
I don't believe Chris Newman actually makes his wines -- he has others who do that for him, just as others tend his vines. I'm ready to be corrected as to other Americans in Burgundy who actually make their wine, but I know of none at this point, since Kellen Lignier's departure. So I stand by my original comment with the following clarification: AS FAR AS I KNOW, he is the "only" American truly making wine in Burgundy, and merits more attention despite not seeking it.

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#50 Post by Frank Drew » August 14th, 2014, 7:30 am

This discussion is a bit counter-intuitive and self-defeating: Wines we really like but that don't get a lot of buzz (which keeps the prices down); isn't that a good thing?

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